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Post by Papi's Gift on Dec 11, 2020 19:12:00 GMT -5
Whitlock doesn't make sense to me as an opener. Did you mean the bulk reliever after the opener? That's where he'd make sense to me. It's three average-ish pitches and he gets ground balls. Don't we need a term for the person who would pitch after an opener? The follower? An opener's friend? A second fiddle? A second story man? The deuteragonist? The second-starter (two meanings of "second" there). A middler? The afteropener? The second course? Deuteragonist is so fine, I wish I had thought of it, and that's certainly how I'll always think of the role. If it has to end in -er for the sake of consistency with the other roles, just clip it to "deuter."
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Post by cdj on Dec 11, 2020 19:46:54 GMT -5
Step 1: bring back Jean Machi, perhaps figure out a way to reacquire Robert Stock. Maybe sign Tolo to a minors deal Step 2: use them in Bulky Boy role Step 3: merch Step 4: profit
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 11, 2020 23:47:39 GMT -5
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Post by rasimon on Dec 12, 2020 4:00:18 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 12, 2020 8:03:32 GMT -5
Whitlock doesn't make sense to me as an opener. Did you mean the bulk reliever after the opener? That's where he'd make sense to me. It's three average-ish pitches and he gets ground balls. Don't we need a term for the person who would pitch after an opener? The follower? An opener's friend? A second fiddle? A second story man? The deuteragonist? The second-starter (two meanings of "second" there). A middler? The afteropener? The second course? I like second fiddle!!
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 12, 2020 12:49:18 GMT -5
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 12, 2020 15:06:30 GMT -5
Don't we need a term for the person who would pitch after an opener? The follower? An opener's friend? A second fiddle? A second story man? The deuteragonist? The second-starter (two meanings of "second" there). A middler? The afteropener? The second course? I like second fiddle!! I still like”bulk guy” lol
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 12, 2020 15:25:11 GMT -5
Whitlock before he got hurt seems like a comparable prospect to Connor Seabold to me. I think it's a good pick. If he looks good in spring training, then it costs them very little to keep him on the 40 man roster and in the major league bullpen. If the Sox at any point in the new few years are happy to have him in the starting rotation, then they will have profited tremendously from this pick. Apart from whatever role he can play, there is the nice little benefit of poaching from your rival. Take that Yankees! What a nice little bonus if Whitlock actually produces on the mound. He can't be any worse than at least five guys that pitched last year. Most of the pitchers acquired since the trading deadline have been starters or swing men: Pivetta, Seabold, Payamps, Whitlock Many of the relievers that were in the alternative site were minor league free agents were resigned: Blair, Simpson, Gonsalves, The players without options were adeptly waived at an opportune time to maximize the possibility that they would not be taken: Weber, Munoz. Most casual fans do not understand just how good Bloom has been at managing not just the 40-man, but the top 60 or so players on the roster. As time goes on we will start to see just how much these small moves will make a big difference in how the Red Sox preform and the depth at the major and minor league levels.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 12, 2020 15:51:16 GMT -5
I still like”bulk guy” lol How long are we going to extend, continue, follow, or bulk up this discussion?
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 12, 2020 18:26:27 GMT -5
I still like”bulk guy” lol How long are we going to extend, continue, follow, or bulk up this discussion? Eric quit speculating on the roster. If it is like last year Bloom will announce three separate deals on the same day blowing all you carefully presumed roster plans. You can only GUESS whether the Red Sox will sign a second baseman or how many relievers..... Bloom has a plan and he does not show his hand until he is ready. It was also clever offering contracts to Mazda and Munoz then passing Munoz through waivers (as no one wanted to pay the contract price). Bloom is smart and savvy, and he will continue to build the roster and in a surprisingly quick manner.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 12, 2020 18:36:25 GMT -5
How long are we going to extend, continue, follow, or bulk up this discussion? Eric quit speculating on the roster. If it is like last year Bloom will announce three separate deals on the same day blowing all you carefully presumed roster plans. You can only GUESS whether the Red Sox will sign a second baseman or how many relievers..... Bloom has a plan and he does not show his hand until he is ready. It was also clever offering contracts to Mazda and Munoz then passing Munoz through waivers (as no one wanted to pay the contract price). Bloom is smart and savvy, and he will continue to build the roster and in a surprisingly quick manner. Bloom has added 10 of the top 30 prospects in a little over one year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 12, 2020 18:49:27 GMT -5
13 of the top 37 including a waiver claim and 2 Rule 5 picks.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 12, 2020 20:17:15 GMT -5
13 of the top 37 including a waiver claim and 2 Rule 5 picks. Hopefully he can add a few blue chippers soon.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 13, 2020 4:40:28 GMT -5
How long are we going to extend, continue, follow, or bulk up this discussion? Eric quit speculating on the roster. If it is like last year Bloom will announce three separate deals on the same day blowing all you carefully presumed roster plans.You can only GUESS whether the Red Sox will sign a second baseman or how many relievers..... Bloom has a plan and he does not show his hand until he is ready. It was also clever offering contracts to Mazda and Munoz then passing Munoz through waivers (as no one wanted to pay the contract price). Bloom is smart and savvy, and he will continue to build the roster and in a surprisingly quick manner. What? (Non-40-man roster folks in italics)
Sandy Leon for Adenys Bautista Angeudis Santos for Austin Brice Sam Travis (after DFA) for Jeffrey Springs
Jhon Nunez for Matt Hall
Those were all the winter trades other than the Mookie deal. Heath Hembree is the only guy of value that he yet traded where it wasn't motivated by the tax limit or impending free agency. And that turned out to be spot-on.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 14, 2020 7:29:11 GMT -5
Moved the free agency talk to that thread.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 14, 2020 8:24:09 GMT -5
I still like”bulk guy” lol How long are we going to extend, continue, follow, or bulk up this discussion? Indefintely
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 14, 2020 9:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jan 4, 2021 1:06:38 GMT -5
Some quotes from Gus Quattlebaum -- Boston's VP of Professional Scouting -- on Garrett Whitlock courtesy of FanGraphs:
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 20, 2021 18:41:28 GMT -5
Taken from a NESN article today. i thought it was 180 days. Has something changed? Can he now be optioned after the 1st 3 months?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 20, 2021 20:43:39 GMT -5
Taken from a NESN article today. i thought it was 180 days. Has something changed? Can he now be optioned after the 1st 3 months? So, the information in the quote isn't quite right. He cannot be optioned this year, at all. He has to be on the active roster for at least 90 days or the Rule 5 rules still apply to him next year until he gets there.
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Post by manfred on Feb 20, 2021 22:56:54 GMT -5
I get the excitement about Whitlock, and he has promise. Butttt.... the guy has started 15 games at AA and missed all last season to injury. He’s pitched about 200 pro innings since 2017. Only as a Rule 5 guy would he be in the major league conversation to start the year. I do not count on a significant contribution... that seems kind of unfair. I hope they are careful with him.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 21, 2021 0:03:56 GMT -5
Understand Manfred. My question was about Rule 5 picks in general really. The article made me think possibly had missed some odd agreement between owners and the MLBPA last year, or this winter regarding those picks and shortened time forced to keep them on the active 25-6 man roster.
For the injury thing u mentioned.. If one has a major injury and is forced to miss a lot of time, like 60 day injury list, it does not count as time for rule 5 guys and needs to be made up.
Not sure and didn't look up, but think Miquel Gonzalez, a RHP from Sox system had TJ, was rule5 pick by Baltimore and missed some time with them before having 3-4 really solid years in the O's rotation in the early 2010's.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 21, 2021 12:13:30 GMT -5
I get the excitement about Whitlock, and he has promise. Butttt.... the guy has started 15 games at AA and missed all last season to injury. He’s pitched about 200 pro innings since 2017. Only as a Rule 5 guy would he be in the major league conversation to start the year. I do not count on a significant contribution... that seems kind of unfair. I hope they are careful with him. I mean, he's clearly slated for long relief. It's not like they're plugging him into the rotation or something.
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Post by manfred on Feb 21, 2021 12:29:36 GMT -5
I get the excitement about Whitlock, and he has promise. Butttt.... the guy has started 15 games at AA and missed all last season to injury. He’s pitched about 200 pro innings since 2017. Only as a Rule 5 guy would he be in the major league conversation to start the year. I do not count on a significant contribution... that seems kind of unfair. I hope they are careful with him. I mean, he's clearly slated for long relief. It's not like they're plugging him into the rotation or something. I hope so. He is only on my radar at all, though, because people here have talked about him as rotation depth etc. I would just prefer him to be deeeep in that line, at least until he gets his first post AA innings in and we see what he is. But if his initial role is mop up man, that is better.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 21, 2021 12:30:55 GMT -5
It should be clear by now what the Sox are planning for. Whitlock is one of a group of pitchers who can be brought in to spell the starter/openers, or to open themselves. This isn't the classic starter's role by any means and it shouldn't be cast that way.
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