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Post by wcp3 on Feb 12, 2021 21:34:29 GMT -5
This Detroit team is as bad as it gets, and the Celtics just don’t even show up against them. Pathetic effort so far tonight.
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Post by homerdante on Feb 12, 2021 21:47:09 GMT -5
Where do you get a player like this Bey kid on Detroit!?!?
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 12, 2021 21:51:21 GMT -5
Gee hell of an effort guys.
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Post by philarhody on Feb 12, 2021 22:06:20 GMT -5
Bey playing like he is piiiissed that the Celtics took Nesmith.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 12, 2021 22:21:49 GMT -5
This team is poorly constructed and even more poorly coached.
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Post by dyoungteach on Feb 12, 2021 22:29:54 GMT -5
Celtics aren’t championship without some major trades. And what is up with third quarter? They were down 10 at end of third. Pathetic. Danny ainge is failing to complete a championship roster. Thompson sucks as does Teague and what else do they have as reserves?? Answer nothing
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Post by cdj on Feb 13, 2021 0:56:09 GMT -5
Smart really is the heartbeat of this team
Inconsistent play in a weird season. They look awesome yesterday and putrid today
I do like Semi in the starting lineup though
They’re missing their two best defenders (and Kemba) though so this is no surprise when they lose due to bench play. Most of the starting lineup were + players, the entire bench was -
The defense will look a lot different with Smart, TimeLord, and eventually Langford healthy
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Post by ianrs on Feb 13, 2021 1:42:10 GMT -5
Dope use of the 14th pick lol. Desmond Bane was the obvious pick and we paid for Memphis to take him, and Bey is wrecking us. Just take Poku if the pick wasn't going to play, lol.
Roster construction is really, really poor. And Brad Stevens/Danny Ainge are very, very overrated.
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Post by cdj on Feb 13, 2021 2:04:18 GMT -5
just go get John Collins already, gosh
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 13, 2021 7:22:02 GMT -5
The up and down nature of this board after wins and losses is something else.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 13, 2021 8:38:45 GMT -5
The up and down nature of this board after wins and losses is something else. LOL I was thinking the same thing yet many are consistent with their gripes. Can always count on WCP to rip Stevens. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 13, 2021 9:33:09 GMT -5
And the other thing you can count on is you and umass having a 10 reply back and forth where neither gives an inch, LOL. Doesn't that get old after a while? I mean why bother really? I guess you guys just enjoy the back and forth.
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Post by dyoungteach on Feb 13, 2021 11:11:20 GMT -5
just go get John Collins already, gosh
YES. This☝️ Pay up. Because you screwed up the off season for sure. Between draft picks and the wasted free agent signing. ( Thompson for full mid level and Teague equals waste of money). We could have gotten those two in the draft. ( Tillman and bane ). So if your so incompetent drafting then trade the draft picks and make a run at it. If not find someone who can evaluate better because basically Kevin Garnett got you a championship. Then you’ve done nothing sense. That’s a tough take but we are the Boston Celtics not the Detroit pistons. ( meaning we should expect to play for championships 4/5 years)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 13, 2021 11:46:08 GMT -5
And the other thing you can count on is you and umass having a 10 reply back and forth where neither gives an inch, LOL. Doesn't that get old after a while? I mean why bother really? I guess you guys just enjoy the back and forth. I think some day maybe I'll get him onboard with team ball versus his love of building teams around iso scorers. I really thought we put this to bed during the Irving years, I guess not. It literally effects every move also. He liked the Thompson signing because he envisioned a rebounding big as Tatum plays ISO, not how he fits into team ball and ball movement. He liked Teague because at one time he was a decent ISO scorer. I saw a player that has lost speed, was declining and wasn't a team first type guy that didn't play good D. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 13, 2021 11:48:44 GMT -5
How do we get John Collins? Certain teams if you wanted to make a major move Robert Williams and Pritchard would be great assets, yet I don't see the fit on the Hawks. I guess you could say Smart, he fits. Yet I'm not doing that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 13, 2021 11:51:58 GMT -5
just go get John Collins already, gosh YES. This☝️ Pay up. Because you screwed up the off season for sure. Between draft picks and the wasted free agent signing. ( Thompson for full mid level and Teague equals waste of money). We could have gotten those two in the draft. ( Tillman and bane ). So if your so incompetent drafting then trade the draft picks and make a run at it. If not find someone who can evaluate better because basically Kevin Garnett got you a championship. Then you’ve done nothing sense. That’s a tough take but we are the Boston Celtics not the Detroit pistons. ( meaning we should expect to play for championships 4/5 years) Danny is a good drafter. He literally had Tatum number 1 on his board when no one else did and stuck that and took him. He took Brown number then when many thought they should have taken Bender, Dunn, Murray, Heild or even Chriss over him. Drafted Rozier earlier than people said he should go. Had the 6th pick in a terrible draft and ended op with Smart. Has gotten Rob Williams and Pritchard at 27 and 26 in 2 of the last 3 drafts and while people hate on him getting a Grant Williams at 22 is pretty solid. People are mad about Langford and Nesmith because they aren’t immediate contributors, but that’s a bit ridiculous. Going back to 2014 they’ve basically nailed the drafts. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 13, 2021 11:54:51 GMT -5
And the other thing you can count on is you and umass having a 10 reply back and forth where neither gives an inch, LOL. Doesn't that get old after a while? I mean why bother really? I guess you guys just enjoy the back and forth. I think some day maybe I'll get him onboard with team ball versus his love of building teams around iso scorers. I really thought we put this to bed during the Irving years, I guess not. It literally effects every move also. He liked the Thompson signing because he envisioned a rebounding big as Tatum plays ISO, not how he fits into team ball and ball movement. He liked Teague because at one time he was a decent ISO scorer. I saw a player that has lost speed, was declining and wasn't a team first type guy that didn't play good D. I want team ball, I just know that you need elite iso scoring, as well, since team ball breaks down. You just like to take certain points and extrapolate them to greater meaning. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 13, 2021 12:02:18 GMT -5
How do we get John Collins? Certain teams if you wanted to make a major move Robert Williams and Pritchard would be great assets, yet I don't see the fit on the Hawks. I guess you could say Smart, he fits. Yet I'm not doing that. It really depends on where Atlanta is... they only deal him if they don’t think they can resign him. So when talking a deal you need to make that assumption. Then it comes down to 2 things: 1. How important is a playoff run to Atlanta 2. How much is a team willing to give up on a potential rental. If 2 outweighs 1 then a deal can be made. Pritchard is actually probably perfect for Atlanta long term - especially since his defense has played up and he’s shown he can play both on and off the ball. If they buy their shooting, then Grant Williams would actually fit them well as would a guy like Ojeleye. Overall, I don’t think we are a great match for them unless they decide they need to get something versus lose him for nothing. |
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Post by philarhody on Feb 13, 2021 12:03:42 GMT -5
just go get John Collins already, gosh YES. This☝️ Pay up. Because you screwed up the off season for sure. Between draft picks and the wasted free agent signing. ( Thompson for full mid level and Teague equals waste of money). We could have gotten those two in the draft. ( Tillman and bane ). So if your so incompetent drafting then trade the draft picks and make a run at it. If not find someone who can evaluate better because basically Kevin Garnett got you a championship. Then you’ve done nothing sense. That’s a tough take but we are the Boston Celtics not the Detroit pistons. ( meaning we should expect to play for championships 4/5 years) You screwed up the offseason, so now you need to make up for it by trading for a defensive liability in the front court while you’re paying Kemba 30+ Million a year? No thanks. Also, the draft was tough because Gordon Hayward was still on the market. |
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Post by cdj on Feb 13, 2021 12:34:08 GMT -5
Not sure how much of defensive liability Collins actually is, I think it’s a little overstated
He’s got the same D-RTG as Hunter and Reddish and has the 2nd mosh DWS on the team behind Capela
I don’t think defense is a strength of his by any means but he’s not going to kill you on that end- especially if you pair him with TimeLord
He certainly adds the size/shooting Ainge said he wants
Now getting him would be a chore but that’s something else altogether
I wonder if they look at Bjelica for depth
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 13, 2021 12:39:04 GMT -5
I think some day maybe I'll get him onboard with team ball versus his love of building teams around iso scorers. I really thought we put this to bed during the Irving years, I guess not. It literally effects every move also. He liked the Thompson signing because he envisioned a rebounding big as Tatum plays ISO, not how he fits into team ball and ball movement. He liked Teague because at one time he was a decent ISO scorer. I saw a player that has lost speed, was declining and wasn't a team first type guy that didn't play good D. I want team ball, I just know that you need elite iso scoring, as well, since team ball breaks down. You just like to take certain points and extrapolate them to greater meaning. That's what you see looking at the last 40 years of NBA Champions? They all play ISO? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 13, 2021 12:46:21 GMT -5
How do we get John Collins? Certain teams if you wanted to make a major move Robert Williams and Pritchard would be great assets, yet I don't see the fit on the Hawks. I guess you could say Smart, he fits. Yet I'm not doing that. It really depends on where Atlanta is... they only deal him if they don’t think they can resign him. So when talking a deal you need to make that assumption. Then it comes down to 2 things: 1. How important is a playoff run to Atlanta 2. How much is a team willing to give up on a potential rental. If 2 outweighs 1 then a deal can be made. Pritchard is actually probably perfect for Atlanta long term - especially since his defense has played up and he’s shown he can play both on and off the ball. If they buy their shooting, then Grant Williams would actually fit them well as would a guy like Ojeleye. Overall, I don’t think we are a great match for them unless they decide they need to get something versus lose him for nothing. Trae Young plays 35 minutes a night, so how is Pritchard perfect? Now Smart covering up for Young's horrible D, is what I'd call perfect. He's a restricted free agent next year, he can't leave unless they don't want to pay him. So it's not they can't resign him, it's they would not want to resign him. Yet that seems foolish. |
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Post by dyoungteach on Feb 13, 2021 12:54:45 GMT -5
How do we get John Collins? Certain teams if you wanted to make a major move Robert Williams and Pritchard would be great assets, yet I don't see the fit on the Hawks. I guess you could say Smart, he fits. Yet I'm not doing that.
If Marcus smart is what it takes then I do that. He’s a free agent after next year and will demand $20 million plus. He’s not worth that. You have Pritchard and Kenna walker at pg. btw it won’t cost smart due to salaries. Atlanta would have to add more. Williams plus 3 firsts would do it though I bet
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Post by dyoungteach on Feb 13, 2021 13:03:28 GMT -5
Danny is a good drafter.
He literally had Tatum number 1 on his board when no one else did and stuck that and took him. He took Brown number then when many thought they should have taken Bender, Dunn, Murray, Heild or even Chriss over him.
Drafted Rozier earlier than people said he should go.
Had the 6th pick in a terrible draft and ended op with Smart.
Has gotten Rob Williams and Pritchard at 27 and 26 in 2 of the last 3 drafts and while people hate on him getting a Grant Williams at 22 is pretty solid.
People are mad about Langford and Nesmith because they aren’t immediate contributors, but that’s a bit ridiculous.
Going back to 2014 they’ve basically nailed the drafts.
I absolutely disagree. A) you better nail a top overall pick plus number 3 or you don’t last. Williams is where in the pecking order?? He’s so good Boston had to sign Tristan Thompson right? Pritchard is solid. Name someone who rest of league values that would trade someone solid for.... Pritchard and maybe Williams drafted after top 6. Something is clearly missing because you have 2 top 25 players and are playing 500 ball. And they have had a ton of picks.
Ainge is great at ripping off other teams for draft picks ( which has died down now) and managing payroll 2 hits in top 6 picks doesn’t make a great drafter. Put another way. Where would team be without Tatum and brown? Ild argue worst team in the league
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 13, 2021 13:12:28 GMT -5
I want team ball, I just know that you need elite iso scoring, as well, since team ball breaks down. You just like to take certain points and extrapolate them to greater meaning. That's what you see looking at the last 40 years of NBA Champions? They all play ISO? No, but they all have at least a guy who can at an elite level late in games. I don’t understand why this is hard to understand. Situationally, it’s basically vital. |
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