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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 4, 2021 11:42:17 GMT -5
Grant could be out of our league, I don't think we have enough to deal for him. HOWEVER, another Detroit guy we should target is Wayne Ellington. He would fit in nicely.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 4, 2021 11:51:44 GMT -5
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Post by philarhody on Mar 4, 2021 12:06:53 GMT -5
Keith Smith is reminding me that Grant DID say he wanted to play for a black coach and black executive, which factored into him signing with Detroit. Of course, it's now out of his hands. “Hey Jeremi, this is your new executive, Morman Danny, and your new coach, Midwest Brad.”  |
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Post by cdj on Mar 4, 2021 13:56:30 GMT -5
Grant: “I want to play for a black executive”
Danny:
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 4, 2021 15:11:31 GMT -5
theathletic.com/2425373/?source=twitterhqShams reporting that Jerami Grant is among the top targets for the C's. Also says Boston (and Charlotte) are among the teams interested in Vucevic. I'm not sure they have enough for either player (given who they'd likely want to keep out of trade talks). Grant is an interesting case bc his signing was weird in the 1st place. Team obviously in tear down (and that could be seen this offseason). Not sure why they'd give him the money/years unless it was to buy picks and young players (ie sign him knowing you'd get offers for him). Keith Smith is reminding me that Grant DID say he wanted to play for a black coach and black executive, which factored into him signing with Detroit. Of course, it's now out of his hands. Keith also says teams don't trade their big FA signings within the year but, again, his signing was an odd fit for their obvious timeline so . . . The cost is why I skipped over those two. They might be available, you might be able to get them, yet the asking price likely starts with Robert Williams and Pritchard plus a decent amount more. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 4, 2021 15:14:30 GMT -5
Is Larry Nance Jr. a big enough upgrade to warrant a first round pick? He adds a lot and if they'd take Thompson it could make sense. He's not a change changer though, just a very solid player. I'd for sure gamble on Aaron Gordon if the cost wasn't crazy. Josh Hart is another guy that impressed me. I've always loved Josh Jackson. Seen reports that Devonte Graham could be available for a big. Certainly not perfect, yet could be decent Kemba insurance. I like Hart's fit if he is available. Same with Ball. It's hard to say if they would be available. Bjelica would be a nice get as a big that can shoot. Fun unrelated fact: Robert Williams has the 7th highest VORP out of players drafted in the 2018 NBA Draft, after Luka, Trae, Shai, Mitchell Robinson, Mikal Bridges, and DeAndre Ayton. Absolute steal. Probably going to have to take back some of my bad draft Danny takes. Danny keeps saying no bandaids, so I've focused on younger guys that can be part of the team for years. Yet yeah Bjelica for Thompson would help, maybe throw in a 2nd round pick. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 4, 2021 15:21:32 GMT -5
Everything I thought about Grant's availability/price was based on thinking he was in the 28-30 yr old range. I have NO idea why I thought that.
Makes more sense for Detroit to keep him unless there is a Godfather offer (which C's shouldn't do even if they could).
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 4, 2021 15:27:19 GMT -5
I really hope they do their homework on Grant - the fact he has 2 years left is nice but I do not think he’s going to be happy being 3rd or 4th fiddle on a team. His age and on court fit seem perfect but that other piece could submarine everything and his age is irrelevant if his plan is to bolt as soon as he can.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 4, 2021 15:33:11 GMT -5
Grant could be out of our league, I don't think we have enough to deal for him. HOWEVER, another Detroit guy we should target is Wayne Ellington. He would fit in nicely. I'd rather play Nesmith. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 4, 2021 15:44:18 GMT -5
I really hope they do their homework on Grant - the fact he has 2 years left is nice but I do not think he’s going to be happy being 3rd or 4th fiddle on a team. His age and on court fit seem perfect but that other piece could submarine everything and his age is irrelevant if his plan is to bolt as soon as he can. Josh Jackson, you ask about Grant, then move to Jackson. Given the role he'd have on this team, the difference wouldn't be as massive as it looks. Let Stevens work his magic with him. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 4, 2021 16:12:04 GMT -5
For those with a sub, Jared Weiss posts HIS tiering of C's trade assets (n/i the picks). theathletic.com/2420925/2021/03/02/celtics-trade-value-rankings-from-untouchable-stars-to-promising-bigs/Only surprise is really Theis and Thompson in the same tier. Does so bc of Theis' pending FA really. Also remarks how TT's skill set is especially valuable in the playoffs. Also says that if RWill is included in a deal, it's likely a big enough one that they'd be including Nesmith too (probably reads smoother in full writeup but that's the gist). Kemba and Romeo are in asset purgatory. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 4, 2021 16:48:45 GMT -5
Why? Ellington adds shooting off the bench and it gives Nesmith more time to get ready. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 4, 2021 16:52:22 GMT -5
He doesn't move the needle enough for me to warrant what you'd give up for him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 4, 2021 17:06:51 GMT -5
He doesn't move the needle enough for me to warrant what you'd give up for him. But the idea is that you wouldn't give up much to get him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 4, 2021 17:17:39 GMT -5
Why? Ellington adds shooting off the bench and it gives Nesmith more time to get ready. As Texas said it doesn't move the needle. He's not a 3 and D guy, like Hart. He's not a sharp shooter like Redick. I just don't see much of an improvement that it warrants not giving Nesmith minutes when he could be better. It's like a bandaid trade and Danny has made it 100% known he's not trying to make trades like that. He values chemistry, so to change that you need a big upgrade. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 4, 2021 17:27:57 GMT -5
He doesn't move the needle enough for me to warrant what you'd give up for him. But the idea is that you wouldn't give up much to get him. Is that how it works though? If he's desirable enough to go get, then he should require compensation. If he doesn't require compensation, then do we really need/want him? He's a minimum guy so I feel like there will be those guys available after the deadline (Buyouts) at the vet min. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 4, 2021 17:36:34 GMT -5
Ellington is shooting .385 from 3 over the past 5 years, launching over 6 attempts per game. He's a proven shooter. Nesmith is a rookie who can't get playing time in a bad roster.
You could try to get him after the deadline, but then again I doubt he wouldn't have other suitors and teams that could offer him a bigger chance at a chip.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 4, 2021 18:23:19 GMT -5
Don that's the whole point, Ellington impact replacing Nesmith minutes is almost nothing. He's not big enough to play real minutes in a small ball lineup. We rank 12th in the league from 3 point land. I don't see a SG than just okay as a need. Sure he'd add a little depth, but I'd rather play Nesmith. Who frankly isn't going to play many minutes once Smart gets back anyway.
I see our needs as a big that can score, yet Theis and Robert Williams are doing their best to make that a non issue. Next up a backup PG in case Walker turns into a pumpkin again. Then and this is likely where the biggest impact comes from, a wing so we can play small ball. Someone that can play instead of Thompson and Theis or Grant Williams/Semi. Danny never replaced Hayward. I don't want to play small ball 35 minutes every game, yet I want to ability to do it. I want a wing that's a really good defender, switchable, plays team ball and can score in some way. Pieces to help Tatum and Brown, not have to be the best scorers, creators, and defenders every game. Lots of ways to do that, yet I don't see how Ellington helps with that at all. He's a guy that likely doesn't play in the playoffs.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 4, 2021 19:16:00 GMT -5
Don that's the whole point, Ellington impact replacing Nesmith minutes is almost nothing. He's not big enough to play real minutes in a small ball lineup. We rank 12th in the league from 3 point land. I don't see a SG than just okay as a need. Sure he'd add a little depth, but I'd rather play Nesmith. Who frankly isn't going to play many minutes once Smart gets back anyway. Ellington replaces Semi's minutes. And the Celtics need more scorers, guys to open the paint for Tatum and Brown. |
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Post by dangermike on Mar 4, 2021 19:50:12 GMT -5
i dont understand how any ball movement and screens result in wide open threes. every team has the shooting night of their life against us right now.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 4, 2021 19:56:35 GMT -5
i dont understand how any ball movement and screens result in wide open threes. every team has the shooting night of their life against us right now. It’s because they don’t try on defense for about 20-30 minutes per night. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 4, 2021 20:07:52 GMT -5
It’s because they don’t try on defense for about 20-30 minutes per night. Yeah, pretty bad defense right now. They did get better as the Clippers game went on, so hopefully they have a better second half. |
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Post by dangermike on Mar 4, 2021 20:11:22 GMT -5
this raptors squad is trash and they have 70! id sit the jays and play whoever wants to guard someone in the second half
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 4, 2021 20:21:13 GMT -5
The only bright spot in that half was Timelord again looking like a maniac.
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Post by cdj on Mar 4, 2021 21:42:19 GMT -5
I shit on him often but props to Jeff Teague lately- seems like he’s playing better basketball overall.
TimeLord is a menace
The Bench as a whole kinda killed it today. Huge game from Grant Williams
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