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Post by dangermike on Mar 4, 2021 22:01:16 GMT -5
im really beating this dead horse - theis needs to get dealt with the emergence of wiliams and thompson's sorta unmovable deal - we should try to score some low leverage draft picks at the deadline. id be down to deal a combo of theis, thompson, or semi. try to involve the smaller tpes in some corollary deal w the same team or the same multi team deal and lets get some more assets coming back. obv not thinking we're gonna be getting some lottery pick for theis but end of first round of a couple not horrible seconds would be cool.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 5, 2021 2:07:50 GMT -5
Don that's the whole point, Ellington impact replacing Nesmith minutes is almost nothing. He's not big enough to play real minutes in a small ball lineup. We rank 12th in the league from 3 point land. I don't see a SG than just okay as a need. Sure he'd add a little depth, but I'd rather play Nesmith. Who frankly isn't going to play many minutes once Smart gets back anyway. Ellington replaces Semi's minutes. And the Celtics need more scorers, guys to open the paint for Tatum and Brown. I don't see it, he won't get enough shots for it to make much of a difference. I'd rather another guy that actually create his own offense, help create for others or really good D. I think we have enough three point guys. You think he's any better than Pritchard? I'm looking for guys to crack an eight man playoff rotation, not regular season depth. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 5, 2021 2:10:18 GMT -5
im really beating this dead horse - theis needs to get dealt with the emergence of wiliams and thompson's sorta unmovable deal - we should try to score some low leverage draft picks at the deadline. id be down to deal a combo of theis, thompson, or semi. try to involve the smaller tpes in some corollary deal w the same team or the same multi team deal and lets get some more assets coming back. obv not thinking we're gonna be getting some lottery pick for theis but end of first round of a couple not horrible seconds would be cool. Why? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 5, 2021 12:00:32 GMT -5
I don't see it, he won't get enough shots for it to make much of a difference. I'd rather another guy that actually create his own offense, help create for others or really good D. I think we have enough three point guys. You think he's any better than Pritchard? I'm looking for guys to crack an eight man playoff rotation, not regular season depth. Yes, I do think that RIGHT NOW he is better than Pritchard, but he wouldn't replace Pritchard, he'd replace Semi. Again, over the past 5 seasons he shoots 3 at a .385 clip in over 6 attempts per game. That's a better percentage than Damian Lillard. And he would cost very little to get, I see no downsides. Waiting for him to get bought out is ABSOLUTELY HALAL roster management. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 5, 2021 12:52:49 GMT -5
I don't see it, he won't get enough shots for it to make much of a difference. I'd rather another guy that actually create his own offense, help create for others or really good D. I think we have enough three point guys. You think he's any better than Pritchard? I'm looking for guys to crack an eight man playoff rotation, not regular season depth. Yes, I do think that RIGHT NOW he is better than Pritchard, but he wouldn't replace Pritchard, he'd replace Semi. Again, over the past 5 seasons he shoots 3 at a .385 clip in over 6 attempts per game. That's a better percentage than Damian Lillard. And he would cost very little to get, I see no downsides. Waiting for him to get bought out is ABSOLUTELY HALAL roster management. Semi and Pritchard currently take about 6 attempts per game and both are currently over 38.5%, yet that's in almost 40 minutes. He's not getting the minutes or shots to take 6 three's a game. Pritchard shooting 39.4% from deep. So what else does he do? Our bench currently has Semi, Pritchard, Teague, Grant Williams and Nesmith shooting over 35% from deep. So Tatum and Brown have tons of guys to space the floor, we need something else. I bring up Gordon for his passing, defensive versatility and upside, Lance is like a lesser version of Gordon, Josh Jackson is a crazy athlete that can defend multiple positions, pass the ball and drives to the rim. I mentioned Graham not just because he's a good 3 point shooter, yet because he racks up assists. If Danny thought Ellington was what we needed, he'd currently be on the team. The Pistons traded Rose weeks ago, sent Griffin home so the young guys could play. Danny's two big targets are Grant and Vucevic, guys that can score in the paint to open things up for our shooters. If you wanted a guard from the Pistons, it should have been Derek Rose. We could have used a guard who attacks the rim, gets FTs and hands out assists. I do wonder if that was the guy he was close on. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 5, 2021 13:26:34 GMT -5
What am I missing, can Ellington play big wings/stretch 4s on defense? If not, he’s not replacing Semi, that’s Semi’s role defensively. Maybe he makes you play a different style that pushes Semi out of the lineup, but I feel that’s a tough case to make.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 5, 2021 14:21:08 GMT -5
Griffin got bought out... he’s a complete shell but he’s an interesting option.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 5, 2021 14:38:32 GMT -5
Blake Griffin is a great passer and it would be crazy interesting what he'd be on this team. The downside is can the guy stay healthy? Likely a mute point, when he can pick from any team now.
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Post by dangermike on Mar 5, 2021 15:14:29 GMT -5
im really beating this dead horse - theis needs to get dealt with the emergence of wiliams and thompson's sorta unmovable deal - we should try to score some low leverage draft picks at the deadline. id be down to deal a combo of theis, thompson, or semi. try to involve the smaller tpes in some corollary deal w the same team or the same multi team deal and lets get some more assets coming back. obv not thinking we're gonna be getting some lottery pick for theis but end of first round of a couple not horrible seconds would be cool. Why? His contract is running out, we arent winning the title this year, he will demand a larger financial commitment after his performance this year, one of our best targets on the trade market is vuc and having 4+ big men doesnt make sense in this nba, thompson doesnt suck but no one will take his contract so he's on the squad next year, robert williams is becoming a guy who needs time and we proved last night that when the chips are down and we need a dub we steer away from the two big lineup, grant williams' value is very low right now so it doesnt make a ton of sense to trade him and i truly think hes an OK 3rd string center (not a 4/pf, a small ball center to avoid leaving him out in a ton of space/rely on him to make plays on offense) - lastly we have to give up pieces to get pieces - why not include theis bc it'll hurt us the least and contenders might actually want him as big depth bc his $$ doesnt suck, he can shoot it a little, and he isnt a wet mop on either side of the ball (DRUMMOND) |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 5, 2021 16:54:27 GMT -5
I asked Why because you want picks. This team doesn't need more young players. I'm offering our pick up in trades if I'm Danny.
I hate the idea of trading Theis because you think you can't trade Thompson. I think you can trade him, the question is for what. This off-season that becomes even easier.
For me it's who's the better fit and do you think Theis is worth what he'll get?
Obviously if we're talking some big trade for a guy like Vucevic that changes things. Yet Vucevic makes Thompson the odd man out more than Theis. Unless you're flipping Theis for assets to get Vucevic. I can see Vucevic and Theis playing limited minutes together, I can't see that with Thompson. Yet I don't see a trade for Vucevic that doesn't involve Robert Williams either. So you wouldn't have four centers.
Grant Williams can't be a 3rd string center, he can't play center against most teams. He's too small and can't jump. Backup PF against certain teams is okay, he's just a very limited athlete.
Now go trade for Aaron Gordon and it could make sense to flip Theis. Gordon can be a small ball center and he does a bunch of the same things.
Let's be real, zero percent chance Danny just flips Theis for a pick because he doesn't think we can win this year.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 5, 2021 17:17:31 GMT -5
Semi and Pritchard currently take about 6 attempts per game and both are currently over 38.5%, yet that's in almost 40 minutes. He's not getting the minutes or shots to take 6 three's a game. Pritchard shooting 39.4% from deep. So what else does he do? Our bench currently has Semi, Pritchard, Teague, Grant Williams and Nesmith shooting over 35% from deep. So Tatum and Brown have tons of guys to space the floor, we need something else. I bring up Gordon for his passing, defensive versatility and upside, Lance is like a lesser version of Gordon, Josh Jackson is a crazy athlete that can defend multiple positions, pass the ball and drives to the rim. I mentioned Graham not just because he's a good 3 point shooter, yet because he racks up assists. If Danny thought Ellington was what we needed, he'd currently be on the team. The Pistons traded Rose weeks ago, sent Griffin home so the young guys could play. Danny's two big targets are Grant and Vucevic, guys that can score in the paint to open things up for our shooters. If you wanted a guard from the Pistons, it should have been Derek Rose. We could have used a guard who attacks the rim, gets FTs and hands out assists. I do wonder if that was the guy he was close on. Bro, Semi is a JAG. Pritchard is a ball handler and not a wing, so we don't need to compare them. I truly think Ellington is a sensible improvement over Semi. The idea isn't that he's great, but that he should be available for cheap. I'm not sure we have the package to go for Grant or Vuc, even if we do have the package I'm not so sure we should do it. Ellington is a bargain. |
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Post by dangermike on Mar 5, 2021 21:29:02 GMT -5
I asked Why because you want picks. This team doesn't need more young players. I'm offering our pick up in trades if I'm Danny. I hate the idea of trading Theis because you think you can't trade Thompson. I think you can trade him, the question is for what. This off-season that becomes even easier. For me it's who's the better fit and do you think Theis is worth what he'll get? Obviously if we're talking some big trade for a guy like Vucevic that changes things. Yet Vucevic makes Thompson the odd man out more than Theis. Unless you're flipping Theis for assets to get Vucevic. I can see Vucevic and Theis playing limited minutes together, I can't see that with Thompson. Yet I don't see a trade for Vucevic that doesn't involve Robert Williams either. So you wouldn't have four centers. Grant Williams can't be a 3rd string center, he can't play center against most teams. He's too small and can't jump. Backup PF against certain teams is okay, he's just a very limited athlete. Now go trade for Aaron Gordon and it could make sense to flip Theis. Gordon can be a small ball center and he does a bunch of the same things. Let's be real, zero percent chance Danny just flips Theis for a pick because he doesn't think we can win this year. Let me put that back on you - what are you getting for TT? Why not trade both, Theis this season and TT next season if the return is good. What contender needs a Thompson? I don't understand packaging assets this year unless the return is with us for 2-3 years. We have very limited depth at the moment - so if we don't have anything good enough to play in games, who would want them in a trade? And why would we band together the few rotational players we have with our future picks to have LESS depth?? And you aren't flipping Theis for a pick just because we can't win this year but bc he has turned into an actual asset we are unlikely to retain in a position that we currently have an excess in talent. I'd agree we don't have any elite centers at the moment but why are we hoarding backup 5's? Let's get something of value for Theis rn - here's a bad example but it's the first one that came to mind - what if Blake goes somewhere other than Brooklyn and you deal Theis and a TPE or 2 and get maybe get a Dinwiddie and a 2nd round pick if we give up a super conditional pick or SOMETHING. The reason no one has suitable hypothetical trades this year is because we are lacking established depth - no one wants the guys we want to deal and dealing picks seems disastrous bc our cap situation and our lack of rotational players. This is not the year to hamper our chances of picking up any usable players in any capacity we could bring them in. Edit- lastly I'm not saying trading Theis means that we are gonna win the next 3 LOBs but keeping him definitely isn't and we need to start thinking outside hte box to get cost controlled talent in the door. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 6, 2021 6:53:48 GMT -5
I’m resigning Theis not trading him. What do you think it will cost to resign him? I think Max is full MLE money.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 6, 2021 6:55:03 GMT -5
Semi and Pritchard currently take about 6 attempts per game and both are currently over 38.5%, yet that's in almost 40 minutes. He's not getting the minutes or shots to take 6 three's a game. Pritchard shooting 39.4% from deep. So what else does he do? Our bench currently has Semi, Pritchard, Teague, Grant Williams and Nesmith shooting over 35% from deep. So Tatum and Brown have tons of guys to space the floor, we need something else. I bring up Gordon for his passing, defensive versatility and upside, Lance is like a lesser version of Gordon, Josh Jackson is a crazy athlete that can defend multiple positions, pass the ball and drives to the rim. I mentioned Graham not just because he's a good 3 point shooter, yet because he racks up assists. If Danny thought Ellington was what we needed, he'd currently be on the team. The Pistons traded Rose weeks ago, sent Griffin home so the young guys could play. Danny's two big targets are Grant and Vucevic, guys that can score in the paint to open things up for our shooters. If you wanted a guard from the Pistons, it should have been Derek Rose. We could have used a guard who attacks the rim, gets FTs and hands out assists. I do wonder if that was the guy he was close on. Bro, Semi is a JAG. Pritchard is a ball handler and not a wing, so we don't need to compare them. I truly think Ellington is a sensible improvement over Semi. The idea isn't that he's great, but that he should be available for cheap. I'm not sure we have the package to go for Grant or Vuc, even if we do have the package I'm not so sure we should do it. Ellington is a bargain. Sorry, do I not know who Ellington is? I don’t see how him and Semi play the same position/role... |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 6, 2021 7:54:48 GMT -5
Semi and Pritchard currently take about 6 attempts per game and both are currently over 38.5%, yet that's in almost 40 minutes. He's not getting the minutes or shots to take 6 three's a game. Pritchard shooting 39.4% from deep. So what else does he do? Our bench currently has Semi, Pritchard, Teague, Grant Williams and Nesmith shooting over 35% from deep. So Tatum and Brown have tons of guys to space the floor, we need something else. I bring up Gordon for his passing, defensive versatility and upside, Lance is like a lesser version of Gordon, Josh Jackson is a crazy athlete that can defend multiple positions, pass the ball and drives to the rim. I mentioned Graham not just because he's a good 3 point shooter, yet because he racks up assists. If Danny thought Ellington was what we needed, he'd currently be on the team. The Pistons traded Rose weeks ago, sent Griffin home so the young guys could play. Danny's two big targets are Grant and Vucevic, guys that can score in the paint to open things up for our shooters. If you wanted a guard from the Pistons, it should have been Derek Rose. We could have used a guard who attacks the rim, gets FTs and hands out assists. I do wonder if that was the guy he was close on. Bro, Semi is a JAG. Pritchard is a ball handler and not a wing, so we don't need to compare them. I truly think Ellington is a sensible improvement over Semi. The idea isn't that he's great, but that he should be available for cheap. I'm not sure we have the package to go for Grant or Vuc, even if we do have the package I'm not so sure we should do it. Ellington is a bargain. They play Pritchard at SG a ton and he's a much more complete player than Ellington. Pritchard can actually create his own shot, something Ellington can't. I'm really starting to question if you know who Ellington is. He basically just takes three's and about 95% of them are assisted. He's an undersized SG, not a wing in my book and you want him to replace a PF who basically just shoots open three's. The thing is Semi rebounds and can play D against guys like Giannis in a way Ellington can't. There are guys that can hit open three's, then there are what I call very good shooters, guys that can create offense. You mentioned Damian Lillard before, man that guy creates offense, takes crazy hard three's off the dribble, he's nothing like Ellington. You seem to be overlooking the type of shots they take and just looking at 3 point percentage. There's a reason he's cheap. Plus you need to look at this team, we play a slow pace and take many less three's a game than the Pistons. Josh Hart, now he's a guy that could take Semi minutes because that guys a bull for his size and a very good athlete. Plays great D and rebounds like a monster for his size. Much more complete player, type of guy that would be worth his weight in gold in the playoffs so Tatum and Brown don't have to always guard the best players. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 6, 2021 8:21:33 GMT -5
I asked Why because you want picks. This team doesn't need more young players. I'm offering our pick up in trades if I'm Danny. I hate the idea of trading Theis because you think you can't trade Thompson. I think you can trade him, the question is for what. This off-season that becomes even easier. For me it's who's the better fit and do you think Theis is worth what he'll get? Obviously if we're talking some big trade for a guy like Vucevic that changes things. Yet Vucevic makes Thompson the odd man out more than Theis. Unless you're flipping Theis for assets to get Vucevic. I can see Vucevic and Theis playing limited minutes together, I can't see that with Thompson. Yet I don't see a trade for Vucevic that doesn't involve Robert Williams either. So you wouldn't have four centers. Grant Williams can't be a 3rd string center, he can't play center against most teams. He's too small and can't jump. Backup PF against certain teams is okay, he's just a very limited athlete. Now go trade for Aaron Gordon and it could make sense to flip Theis. Gordon can be a small ball center and he does a bunch of the same things. Let's be real, zero percent chance Danny just flips Theis for a pick because he doesn't think we can win this year. Let me put that back on you - what are you getting for TT? Why not trade both, Theis this season and TT next season if the return is good. What contender needs a Thompson? I don't understand packaging assets this year unless the return is with us for 2-3 years. We have very limited depth at the moment - so if we don't have anything good enough to play in games, who would want them in a trade? And why would we band together the few rotational players we have with our future picks to have LESS depth?? And you aren't flipping Theis for a pick just because we can't win this year but bc he has turned into an actual asset we are unlikely to retain in a position that we currently have an excess in talent. I'd agree we don't have any elite centers at the moment but why are we hoarding backup 5's? Let's get something of value for Theis rn - here's a bad example but it's the first one that came to mind - what if Blake goes somewhere other than Brooklyn and you deal Theis and a TPE or 2 and get maybe get a Dinwiddie and a 2nd round pick if we give up a super conditional pick or SOMETHING. The reason no one has suitable hypothetical trades this year is because we are lacking established depth - no one wants the guys we want to deal and dealing picks seems disastrous bc our cap situation and our lack of rotational players. This is not the year to hamper our chances of picking up any usable players in any capacity we could bring them in. Edit- lastly I'm not saying trading Theis means that we are gonna win the next 3 LOBs but keeping him definitely isn't and we need to start thinking outside hte box to get cost controlled talent in the door. I've brought up trading Thompson many times in this post. Go back and look. Most recently Larry Nance Jr. You throw in a pick and you have a bunch of options. Look at my trade ideas, I'm not banging the door for Grant or Vucevic because of the cost. I'm looking at Gordon, Nance, Hart, Jackson, Graham etc. No way I'm helping the Nets!!!! You'd be gifting them exactly what they need, they'll resign him and you'll be paying the price for years! This team has tons of cost controlled talent, it just takes time to develop it. Look at Robert Williams, breaking out in his third year. You can't be a title contender and be developing tons of young players all at once. Trading Theis for picks will just make that worse. What title contender is using recent draft picks as it's important depth? Go look how long it took to develop Grant who everyone wants. Day one impact rookies in the late first is very rare and it usually means you pass on better raw players that will make you look stupid in a few years. Guys like Pritchard and Bane are outliers not the norm. Most likely due to no scouting combine and workouts this year. |
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Post by dyoungteach on Mar 6, 2021 9:48:54 GMT -5
I know he’s not the best but I don’t mind the idea at a lower pay that slots into one of our other trade exceptions ( not the big one) signing Blake griffin. He takes slot of a theis starting. Can distribute ball and shoot .... as long as he doesn’t want 30 touches per game. That pushes theis to either bench or trade potential. Or it makes Thompson tradeable and does not allow semi to play ( a good thing I think). Then you can save trade exception for off season
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 6, 2021 10:39:51 GMT -5
I know he’s not the best but I don’t mind the idea at a lower pay that slots into one of our other trade exceptions ( not the big one) signing Blake griffin. He takes slot of a theis starting. Can distribute ball and shoot .... as long as he doesn’t want 30 touches per game. That pushes theis to either bench or trade potential. Or it makes Thompson tradeable and does not allow semi to play ( a good thing I think). Then you can save trade exception for off season You can't use a trade exception to sign a free agent. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 6, 2021 12:44:14 GMT -5
The problem with Blake Griffin, besides injuries, is he can’t move any more. His defense on the perimeter, especially, is atrocious. The fact he will be on a close to minimum deal makes him worth while but this guy is a bit role player at this point.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 6, 2021 13:44:01 GMT -5
I just went back and watched a bunch of game tape on Griffin. I do wonder if his current play is his actual ability or he was just half assing it to get his release. Pistons saved 13.3 million so that's a chunk for your freedom. Will be interesting what he looks like when he hits a good team.
My role if the Celtics can get him and reports say we're interested, is reserve big. I'd use him as a passing big for the second unit. Yet I'm assuming he's been not playing up to his abilities to get released. If this seasons play is really him playing hard, I would pass.
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Post by ianrs on Mar 6, 2021 18:49:25 GMT -5
I just went back and watched a bunch of game tape on Griffin. I do wonder if his current play is his actual ability or he was just half assing it to get his release. Pistons saved 13.3 million so that's a chunk for your freedom. Will be interesting what he looks like when he hits a good team. My role if the Celtics can get him and reports say we're interested, is reserve big. I'd use him as a passing big for the second unit. Yet I'm assuming he's been not playing up to his abilities to get released. If this seasons play is really him playing hard, I would pass. I dont think he was half assing it - his body seems legitimately broken down. Its sad to watch some games. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 6, 2021 20:33:19 GMT -5
They play Pritchard at SG a ton and he's a much more complete player than Ellington. Pritchard can actually create his own shot, something Ellington can't. I'm really starting to question if you know who Ellington is. He basically just takes three's and about 95% of them are assisted. He's an undersized SG, not a wing in my book and you want him to replace a PF who basically just shoots open three's. The thing is Semi rebounds and can play D against guys like Giannis in a way Ellington can't. There are guys that can hit open three's, then there are what I call very good shooters, guys that can create offense. You mentioned Damian Lillard before, man that guy creates offense, takes crazy hard three's off the dribble, he's nothing like Ellington. You seem to be overlooking the type of shots they take and just looking at 3 point percentage. There's a reason he's cheap. Plus you need to look at this team, we play a slow pace and take many less three's a game than the Pistons. Josh Hart, now he's a guy that could take Semi minutes because that guys a bull for his size and a very good athlete. Plays great D and rebounds like a monster for his size. Much more complete player, type of guy that would be worth his weight in gold in the playoffs so Tatum and Brown don't have to always guard the best players. Ellington is a more proven shooter than Pritchard. I want Ellington to be exactly that, a guy who will hang around the 3 point line and shoot it off after Tatum or Brown force the D to collapse. There's a larger sample size of him being able to do that than Pritchard. And, like I said, Pritchard is a ball handler. Ellington is a wing. They don't play the same position in CBS offense. You keep ignoring an important part of why I would want to trade for Ellington. A guy like Josh Hart would potentially cost a lot, while Ellington would come in very cheap. That's it. Asset management and being realistic with the assets we do have. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 7, 2021 6:37:21 GMT -5
They play Pritchard at SG a ton and he's a much more complete player than Ellington. Pritchard can actually create his own shot, something Ellington can't. I'm really starting to question if you know who Ellington is. He basically just takes three's and about 95% of them are assisted. He's an undersized SG, not a wing in my book and you want him to replace a PF who basically just shoots open three's. The thing is Semi rebounds and can play D against guys like Giannis in a way Ellington can't. There are guys that can hit open three's, then there are what I call very good shooters, guys that can create offense. You mentioned Damian Lillard before, man that guy creates offense, takes crazy hard three's off the dribble, he's nothing like Ellington. You seem to be overlooking the type of shots they take and just looking at 3 point percentage. There's a reason he's cheap. Plus you need to look at this team, we play a slow pace and take many less three's a game than the Pistons. Josh Hart, now he's a guy that could take Semi minutes because that guys a bull for his size and a very good athlete. Plays great D and rebounds like a monster for his size. Much more complete player, type of guy that would be worth his weight in gold in the playoffs so Tatum and Brown don't have to always guard the best players. Ellington is a more proven shooter than Pritchard. I want Ellington to be exactly that, a guy who will hang around the 3 point line and shoot it off after Tatum or Brown force the D to collapse. There's a larger sample size of him being able to do that than Pritchard. And, like I said, Pritchard is a ball handler. Ellington is a wing. They don't play the same position in CBS offense. You keep ignoring an important part of why I would want to trade for Ellington. A guy like Josh Hart would potentially cost a lot, while Ellington would come in very cheap. That's it. Asset management and being realistic with the assets we do have. Don, you seem to keep ignoring the fact that Ellington and Semi don’t play the same position either. I don’t necessarily have an opinion on adding Ellington or not, I just fail to see how he replaces Semi. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 7, 2021 8:09:03 GMT -5
I’m resigning Theis not trading him. What do you think it will cost to resign him? I think Max is full MLE money. Theis is an interesting player. I like him and would like to resign but I think he is going to be expensive as his game is improving. BUT why then are the C's struggling so much with him? It doesn't make sense. He and Williams are playing well and along with the J's why are the C's losing with this lineup. Maybe we are over valuing him? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 7, 2021 10:52:05 GMT -5
They play Pritchard at SG a ton and he's a much more complete player than Ellington. Pritchard can actually create his own shot, something Ellington can't. I'm really starting to question if you know who Ellington is. He basically just takes three's and about 95% of them are assisted. He's an undersized SG, not a wing in my book and you want him to replace a PF who basically just shoots open three's. The thing is Semi rebounds and can play D against guys like Giannis in a way Ellington can't. There are guys that can hit open three's, then there are what I call very good shooters, guys that can create offense. You mentioned Damian Lillard before, man that guy creates offense, takes crazy hard three's off the dribble, he's nothing like Ellington. You seem to be overlooking the type of shots they take and just looking at 3 point percentage. There's a reason he's cheap. Plus you need to look at this team, we play a slow pace and take many less three's a game than the Pistons. Josh Hart, now he's a guy that could take Semi minutes because that guys a bull for his size and a very good athlete. Plays great D and rebounds like a monster for his size. Much more complete player, type of guy that would be worth his weight in gold in the playoffs so Tatum and Brown don't have to always guard the best players. Ellington is a more proven shooter than Pritchard. I want Ellington to be exactly that, a guy who will hang around the 3 point line and shoot it off after Tatum or Brown force the D to collapse. There's a larger sample size of him being able to do that than Pritchard. And, like I said, Pritchard is a ball handler. Ellington is a wing. They don't play the same position in CBS offense. You keep ignoring an important part of why I would want to trade for Ellington. A guy like Josh Hart would potentially cost a lot, while Ellington would come in very cheap. That's it. Asset management and being realistic with the assets we do have. When it comes to minutes and especially playoff minutes Pritchard is his competition. Pritchard has played more SG than PG Don I wonder why he's going to be cheap? You act like that's a good thing, yet he's cheap because he only does one thing, shoot open three's. He's not a Redick like shooter who can shoot well while taking crazy hard shots. If you want a SG shooter than look at a guy that can create his own offense, we could use that. |
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