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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 8, 2021 20:11:18 GMT -5
Don go down and look at the play by play, it shows what positions they play. Pritchard has played 64% SG, with Smart coming back that likely goes up. Ellington plays 95% SG. You can keep calling one a wing and one a ball handler all you want, they both play the same position. Ok friend! |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 9, 2021 7:13:46 GMT -5
I think we’ve all made our points on a mediocre player that they aren’t going to trade for anyways.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2021 10:27:41 GMT -5
I haven't mentioned Harrison Barnes much because I didn't want to create another roster where you can't play your best players together and I question how good his D really is. Yet you keep hearing his name, over and over again. He's really come a long way as a player on the offensive side of the ball. 16.7 points on 11.3 attempts, really upped his assists, 4.7 FT attempts per game along with a career high effective FG% of 56.7%. He's slightly bigger and more athletic than Hayward, yet I don't see how you can use him as a small ball center.
I mean if the cost is right sure he'd fix our depth issues. If Walker goes down or can't maintain his current play a Theis/Williams, Barnes, Tatum, Brown and Smart lineup is damn interesting. That could be one hell of a defensive switchable team. Yet he's going to cost a bunch right?
I've also seen some rumors that they want to move on from Marvin Bagley. You hear so much about his bad D. Scouting reports say he lacks defensive awareness. If they wanted to sell low on Bagley I'm damn intrigued by that. He can play small ball center and look at what Steven's has done with Robert Williams defensive awareness. He'd add a bunch of offensive firepower at the big spot. Maybe I'm putting too much faith in Steven's, yet I just see a ton of untapped potential. He's way too good of an athlete to be that bad defensively. The whole team doesn't play D. Hassan Whiteside has his first negative defensive box score of his career in nine years.
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Post by cdj on Mar 9, 2021 12:20:58 GMT -5
Whiteside is such a weirdo. Anytime he gets minutes he puts up preposterous numbers but nobody wants him
I don’t hate Bagley if they’re truly buying low
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 9, 2021 12:37:42 GMT -5
I've also seen some rumors that they want to move on from Marvin Bagley. You hear so much about his bad D. Scouting reports say he lacks defensive awareness. If they wanted to sell low on Bagley I'm damn intrigued by that. He can play small ball center and look at what Steven's has done with Robert Williams defensive awareness. He'd add a bunch of offensive firepower at the big spot. Maybe I'm putting too much faith in Steven's, yet I just see a ton of untapped potential. He's way too good of an athlete to be that bad defensively. The whole team doesn't play D. Hassan Whiteside has his first negative defensive box score of his career in nine years. I'd absolutely give him a shot, he's 21. He should be fixable and like you mentioned, Stevens did some lord's work on RWIII, so he can make Bagley become bad instead of all time awful. |
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Post by mobaz on Mar 9, 2021 13:38:01 GMT -5
Bagley is such an all-time bad pick over Doncic/Young. It was bad at the time but has gotten so much worse in 2 years since. Kings get do-over when Haliburton falls 3 yrs later. Still, Bagley is worth a buy low if he's actually being sold low. Interestingly, Time Lord is the only draft pick outside the lottery with positive VORP and BPM per Basketball Reference. I hate the measures by themselves, but think it's interesting seeing him stand out among his peers, at least on a per-minute basis. www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2018.html |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2021 13:38:21 GMT -5
Whiteside is such a weirdo. Anytime he gets minutes he puts up preposterous numbers but nobody wants him I don’t hate Bagley if they’re truly buying low Whiteside is a lot of things, yet he's been a monster on D his entire career. That's untill Luke Walton and the King's. Which says a lot more about that coach, not bad at teaching offense, yet he's clueless about D. No way the King's should be the worst defensive team in the league given that roster. I mentioned Bagley because I've seen a bunch of rumors and it's the King's. Yet it sure seems like Ball, it doesn't make much sense. What they need to do is fire Luke Walton and I still don't understand why they fired Dave Joerger who had that team playing well. Bagley defensive rating under Joerger was 110 as a rookie, then 111 and now 119 under Luke Walton. So yeah I do think you'd be buying low if he's actually available. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2021 13:47:13 GMT -5
Robert Williams would be third in WS/48 if he had enough minutes to qualify behind only Jokic and Embiid. That's how good he's played in limited minutes.
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Post by cdj on Mar 9, 2021 14:24:51 GMT -5
I think they fired Joerger because him and the front office clashed or something stupid
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Post by dangermike on Mar 9, 2021 15:52:38 GMT -5
whats the most youd give up for bagley?
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 9, 2021 16:15:58 GMT -5
whats the most youd give up for bagley? Hard one because he's been so bad at defense. I'm going to defer this one, I have no idea what is a reasonable package for him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2021 16:49:29 GMT -5
Not likely enough. What is the worth of a 21 year old player that looks like a guard with the ball, moves very well, yet is a trainwreck on D?
I'd for sure offer Grant Williams and a first. Betting that Stevens can mold him. Heck I might do Nesmith, Grant Williams and a first.
Yet you're faced with the same issue the King's have, only one more year till he's a restricted free agent and that decesion could be rough. You just don't see many players his size do what he does on offense
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 9, 2021 18:35:34 GMT -5
Nesmith, Grant and a pick for Bagley sounds very reasonable. I'd jump on that. Bagley is still young enough.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2021 20:21:27 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Mar 9, 2021 20:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 9, 2021 20:49:31 GMT -5
Is Lonzo Ball useful playing off ball?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2021 21:09:57 GMT -5
Is Lonzo Ball useful playing off ball? I see no reason why he wouldn't. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 9, 2021 21:11:42 GMT -5
Nesmith, Grant and a pick for Bagley sounds very reasonable. I'd jump on that. Bagley is still young enough. Too rich for my blood. I think Nesmith is a future star. Grant and a first. With maybe a pick swap because it’s the Kings. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 9, 2021 21:12:12 GMT -5
Is Lonzo Ball useful playing off ball? Yes. Great linking player |
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Post by ianrs on Mar 10, 2021 4:08:28 GMT -5
Is Lonzo Ball useful playing off ball? Now that he started hitting 3s, yes. I actually really like his fit. You could argue hes marginally an upgrade though since he hits 3s at roughly similar clips to Semi and Grant. But its on way more volume (38.7% on 8.8 attempts per game). |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2021 7:43:28 GMT -5
I'd feel a lot more comfortable with him if we heard a lot more "I'm not interested in playing here and I want to be in a bigger market". Because, otherwise, why is NOP interested in moving him? He would seem to be a great fit next to Zion/Ingram.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2021 10:05:18 GMT -5
I'd feel a lot more comfortable with him if we heard a lot more "I'm not interested in playing here and I want to be in a bigger market". Because, otherwise, why is NOP interested in moving him? He would seem to be a great fit next to Zion/Ingram. When it first leaked over a month ago it was they wanted to give their two first round picks at PG minutes. Yet you know it's also about his restricted free agency, giving him a contract versus going after a free agent before they pay Williamson and have no cap space. They can get max money if they unload Bledsoe, yet Ball has a 28 million cap charge. It's really decesion time, is Ball your third piece or do you want to chase another guy because you have NAW and Lewis. It's kinda like Keeping Rozier versus chasing a Kemba Walker. Pay Ball and Hart and kiss any chance at free agents or move them to chase a free agent. I'd keep Ball, yet I'm not the GM who spent two first round picks on NAW or Lewis. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2021 10:10:29 GMT -5
I do hope we chase younger players, who's primes match up with Tatum and Brown. Ball, Hart, Gordon, Bagley, heck even Grant, compared to older guys unless they don't cost a lot.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 10, 2021 10:49:54 GMT -5
Brown's contract moving from pretty good value to underpay will be huge for this team, especially if they can add another piece on a similar timeline. Hopefully he doesn't get antsy being at less-than-max though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2021 11:29:36 GMT -5
Brown's contract moving from pretty good value to underpay will be huge for this team, especially if they can add another piece on a similar timeline. Hopefully he doesn't get antsy being at less-than-max though. For players 0-6 there is basically two max level deals, the one your team can give you with higher raises or the one a team can give you in free agency. Tatum got the one a team can give out, Brown got $115 million, when $117 was a max level deal another team could offer. The difference is five year versus four years, 8% annual raises versus 5%. I don't see why he would be upset given they gave him that before his big breakout year and the cap stayed flat and didn't go up given Covid. That contract was like Smart, a slight overpay at the time to keep the player happy. |
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