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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2021 15:24:21 GMT -5
Actually having a PG run the offense is literally the biggest difference any player can make on this team. Walker isn't some great PG, yet you see the difference when he actually plays PG versus SG. I actually don't think the problem is who's running the offense, but rather the change in the Stevens offense. Remember how it used to be? Guys spaced out, cutting a lot, dribble handoffs and other cool stuff. The past 2 seasons they have been running a much simpler offense, based largely on ISO and guys sitting around waiting for the ball. Which to me is Stevens overcorrecting and trying to build around the God-like individual games of Brown and Tatum. It's not Kemba's fault that guys stopped moving. I haven't noticed that. I mean it's not 2018 because we don't have a big like Horford. Yet I thought it was just fine last year till the Raptors series. The 2-3 zone and the Raptors trapping Walker killed us, so they went to more of an iso offense with Tatum. Yet that still was only in spurts and to ends games. I thought we we're fine with Smart at PG averaging 6 assists, 8-3 record five straight wins till Walker returned. Trying to fit him in hurt us given his play. Then Smart goes down, they move to an iso offense with Tatum and Brown like I've never seen before. Low point of the season, ball stops moving, Kemba is acting like a SG. Walker would average 4.1 assists his first 16 games. Then bam, last four games Kemba is back running the point. We go 4-0, he's averaging 6.5 assists per game. He's running our offense, he's doing pick and rolls, passing to guys in the paint, you don't see the Tatum/Brown iso offense. Everything I'm seeing is just like the Irving/Rozier debate. You need a PG to run the team offense and keep the ball moving. Tatum and Brown can be secondary creators, not primary one, as the ball stops moving, like it would with Irving. In the last four games I've seen Tatum do some great things and some bad habits like he's still running that offense. He can become a black hole at times. I'm going to chalk that up to lack of practice time and Steven's changing the offense back and forth. With Smart coming back it should only get better as long as we get Smart the passer, not Smart the SG gunner. You will always get iso within this offense, you just need to limit it and that's were the PGs come in. Hopefully we can stay healthy and build on the last four games. Yet to get to the 2018 playoffs version of our offense, the peak of Stevens offense as far as I'm concerned. You can't be playing Thompson and Theis. Theis is damn good at moving, pick and rolls and playing within this offense. Thompson is not, he's like the Anti Horford. While Robert Williams is the best guy at helping keep the ball moving, his passing and ability to move with the ball are huge. Theis/Williams, Tatum, Brown, Smart and Walker are going to do just fine as long as we get the current Walker. Thompson needs to be made the third center and only play based on matchups like Kanter in the playoffs. |
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Post by homerdante on Mar 11, 2021 22:09:58 GMT -5
Brutal Choke at the end...granted, a few truly brutal officiating calls mixed in there, but team looked incapable of another gut check. Nothing to be shocked at by now I suppose. When does the 2021-2022 season start again?
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 12, 2021 0:41:20 GMT -5
Brutal Choke at the end...granted, a few truly brutal officiating calls mixed in there, but team looked incapable of another gut check. Nothing to be shocked at by now I suppose. When does the 2021-2022 season start again? They got absolutely punked by a Nets team missing it’s best player. If Danny doesn’t upgrade this roster, then he’s essentially punting on the season. |
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Post by dangermike on Mar 12, 2021 1:08:16 GMT -5
Brutal Choke at the end...granted, a few truly brutal officiating calls mixed in there, but team looked incapable of another gut check. Nothing to be shocked at by now I suppose. When does the 2021-2022 season start again? They got absolutely punked by a Nets team missing it’s best player. If Danny doesn’t upgrade this roster, then he’s essentially punting on the season. serious question - we get ran out of the gym without KD - who are you getting thats getting us past them with KD?  |
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Post by rjw on Mar 12, 2021 7:36:25 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if this could have been a better team this year with Myles Turner, McDermott, Desmond Bane & Enes Kanter instead of Thompson, Teague, Semi & Theis?
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 12, 2021 9:00:11 GMT -5
They got absolutely punked by a Nets team missing it’s best player. If Danny doesn’t upgrade this roster, then he’s essentially punting on the season. serious question - we get ran out of the gym without KD - who are you getting thats getting us past them with KD? They’re not getting anyone who will put them over the top this year, but they should ideally use the TPE on a player who has another year on his contract. It would be nice if they were more competitive this year as well, but if this is a bit of a bridge year, they really need to go for it the next 2-3 years. Not taking advantage of the TPE would be a big blow to that cause. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 12, 2021 10:43:15 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if this could have been a better team this year with Myles Turner, McDermott, Desmond Bane & Enes Kanter instead of Thompson, Teague, Semi & Theis? I’m not sure. That’s pretty borderline. Theis might be the best player out of all those, tbh |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 12, 2021 10:45:05 GMT -5
They got absolutely punked by a Nets team missing it’s best player. If Danny doesn’t upgrade this roster, then he’s essentially punting on the season. serious question - we get ran out of the gym without KD - who are you getting thats getting us past them with KD? Karl Anthony Towns? Honestly, this team is better off building around a young core. Trade off the pieces that don’t fit the timeline. Brooklyn, Utah, and LA are too good this year and next. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2021 11:15:30 GMT -5
This team has so many issues. I praise Walker for his nice four game streak of actually being a PG and then he does whatever that was and it came after a break when they had practice time.
Smart has to come back with minute restrictions, like WTF like this team needs that. Langford goes into Covid list, he's the type of guy you need to matchup with a Nets team.
The Nets play like the Suns with Nash, it's all offense no D. You need to play your game, not fall into the trap of trying to play their way. That's where a veteran PG comes in, yet Walker seemed to want to try and match Irving over running the offense. Look at the assist numbers, you have Brown and Robert Williams leading the team.
The bigger seasonal outlook issue, is the Nets start Joe Harris at PF and Stevens plays Thompson/Theis once again. They have no ability to play small ball. They have no ability to actually play matchup ball with teams. Last year you could play a defensive style or you could go small ball for scoring and you had Kanter to give you scoring. You had multiple different ways, Wanamaker on the bench for D.
I don't get all the Nesmith praise, then not playing him. He's a better matchup given who the Nets were playing than Grant Williams.
It's a flawed roster, yet what is Stevens trying to do?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2021 11:16:38 GMT -5
serious question - we get ran out of the gym without KD - who are you getting thats getting us past them with KD? Karl Anthony Towns? Honestly, this team is better off building around a young core. Trade off the pieces that don’t fit the timeline. Brooklyn, Utah, and LA are too good this year and next. I want no part of KAT. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 12, 2021 11:39:43 GMT -5
Karl Anthony Towns? Honestly, this team is better off building around a young core. Trade off the pieces that don’t fit the timeline. Brooklyn, Utah, and LA are too good this year and next. I want no part of KAT. Yeah, the question was who are we getting that could get us past Brooklyn. I think KAT would cause a major problem for Brooklyn. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2021 12:00:13 GMT -5
Yeah, the question was who are we getting that could get us past Brooklyn. I think KAT would cause a major problem for Brooklyn. I don't, he'd be like Kanter. Yeah he'd give you some points, yet he'd give them all back on the other end. Guys like Robert Williams and Turner would do more against that Nets team. Look at Williams he had a block party against that team. You need to be able to match up with them, then play your style of Basketball, not play their style. Expose Jordan by passing and getting points in the paint. I just want no part of guys that play like KAT does, he's like Melo. So many other players would help more. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 12, 2021 13:16:26 GMT -5
serious question - we get ran out of the gym without KD - who are you getting thats getting us past them with KD? Wayne Ellington.  |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2021 19:51:32 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 13, 2021 13:31:36 GMT -5
I keep coming back to Ball/Hart as my dream trade, send out Thompson and Grant Williams, along with two first. You'd use the Kanter Exception to get Hart, giving the Pelicans an exception. You want a third string defensive center for the playoffs go trade for one or pick one up on the buyout market.
It's not perfect, yet it solves a bunch of issues, allows you to play multiple different ways, adds defense and scoring. The best part for me is it locks in your future PG that fits a lot better than Walker does, while keeping the trade exception available. You wouldn't pay the tax either this year.
You get back to playing Theis, Tatum, Brown, Smart and Walker as starters. Though you could mix that up with Hart and Ball. Walker misses games you have Ball, who takes over as the backup PG. Hart is your defensive stopper so Tatum and Brown don't have to guard the best players all game long.
Your top reserves are Ball, Hart, Robert Williams and Pritchard.
That's an athletic team, that should be able to play great D, you've added playmaking and shooting. It's also a team that will peak together in a few years.
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Post by ianrs on Mar 13, 2021 13:37:26 GMT -5
Late reaction- Nets are dope but the fact that we seriously hung with them is super encouraging. I think we match up w them as good as anyone in the East if we improve our bench a bit.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 13, 2021 14:08:26 GMT -5
Late reaction- Nets are dope but the fact that we seriously hung with them is super encouraging. I think we match up w them as good as anyone in the East if we improve our bench a bit. They hung with a Nets team missing KD. It was more sobering than encouraging. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2021 14:09:39 GMT -5
I keep coming back to Ball/Hart as my dream trade, send out Thompson and Grant Williams, along with two first. You'd use the Kanter Exception to get Hart, giving the Pelicans an exception. You want a third string defensive center for the playoffs go trade for one or pick one up on the buyout market. It's not perfect, yet it solves a bunch of issues, allows you to play multiple different ways, adds defense and scoring. The best part for me is it locks in your future PG that fits a lot better than Walker does, while keeping the trade exception available. You wouldn't pay the tax either this year. You get back to playing Theis, Tatum, Brown, Smart and Walker as starters. Though you could mix that up with Hart and Ball. Walker misses games you have Ball, who takes over as the backup PG. Hart is your defensive stopper so Tatum and Brown don't have to guard the best players all game long. Your top reserves are Ball, Hart, Robert Williams and Pritchard. That's an athletic team, that should be able to play great D, you've added playmaking and shooting. It's also a team that will peak together in a few years. I feel like the ship on Ball as sailed. He was available because he was playing like crap so not was hard to justify trading a lot for him and now he’s playing great so he’s not available. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 13, 2021 14:45:31 GMT -5
Pistons made a nice deal to get Diallo imo
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 13, 2021 14:58:29 GMT -5
I keep coming back to Ball/Hart as my dream trade, send out Thompson and Grant Williams, along with two first. You'd use the Kanter Exception to get Hart, giving the Pelicans an exception. You want a third string defensive center for the playoffs go trade for one or pick one up on the buyout market. It's not perfect, yet it solves a bunch of issues, allows you to play multiple different ways, adds defense and scoring. The best part for me is it locks in your future PG that fits a lot better than Walker does, while keeping the trade exception available. You wouldn't pay the tax either this year. You get back to playing Theis, Tatum, Brown, Smart and Walker as starters. Though you could mix that up with Hart and Ball. Walker misses games you have Ball, who takes over as the backup PG. Hart is your defensive stopper so Tatum and Brown don't have to guard the best players all game long. Your top reserves are Ball, Hart, Robert Williams and Pritchard. That's an athletic team, that should be able to play great D, you've added playmaking and shooting. It's also a team that will peak together in a few years. I feel like the ship on Ball as sailed. He was available because he was playing like crap so not was hard to justify trading a lot for him and now he’s playing great so he’s not available. I don't know if that's true. The fact they drafted two PGs in the first round the last two years was a big part of it. Having to decide about paying Ball was a factor, thus killing any chance at cap space before you lock in Williamson. Who along with Ingram and Adams means no cap space. A recent Athletic article predicts Ball to Celtics for two first round picks. If you're that GM do you feel great about locking that team down given their record? That might be a harder choice now, yet not really. I wanted to trade for him because I fully expected his 3 point shot would return. It's funny, that teams biggest issue is their two best players suck at D, good luck fixing that. |
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Post by ianrs on Mar 13, 2021 15:05:05 GMT -5
Late reaction- Nets are dope but the fact that we seriously hung with them is super encouraging. I think we match up w them as good as anyone in the East if we improve our bench a bit. They hung with a Nets team missing KD. It was more sobering than encouraging. Heh, I guess you could look at it that way yeah... I heard KD is pretty good at basketball. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2021 10:42:21 GMT -5
Some league executives expect the Celtics to get in on Aldridge with their TPE
Lololol yeah that’s totally gonna happen guys. Wishful thinking from rival execs
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 14, 2021 11:34:24 GMT -5
The Celtics currently play Theis, Thompson and Robert Williams 63.2 minutes per game. That's a big issue, yeah against certain teams that makes sense, like the Pelicans. It makes no sense against a team like the Nets though. I won't say we have too many bigs, because we really don't. We just play those guys too many minutes because we lack good PFs and wings. Injuries haven't helped either.
Aldridge is a center now, he's no longer the athletic freak he was years ago. It makes zero sense.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 14, 2021 19:24:04 GMT -5
Wow, it's obvious Steven's was preaching ball movement, yet they are forcing everything.
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2021 20:49:15 GMT -5
TT and TimeLord are mutilating the rockets “bigs”
This rockets team may be the worst team I’ve seen in awhile
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