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cdj
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Post by cdj on Mar 14, 2021 21:46:01 GMT -5
Yeah that was bullying
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 14, 2021 22:25:59 GMT -5
See guys, this is what a bad team looks like.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2021 5:39:47 GMT -5
I don’t want to get into the weeds on this, but some of us have questioned Rob’s durability and conditioning in the past and Steven’s alluded to both last night as a reason they are being so cautious with his playing time.
“Rob obviously had a double-double, but I just think we can make it so that he can play more, and more and more as the season goes on,” Stevens said after Sunday’s win. “Again, the density of the games and his history, especially last year, we’re just being conservative. But he’s getting a lot better. You can see that. And he’s able to play a little bit longer stints than he has in the past, because he plays really hard when he’s out there. So that’s all encouraging.”
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Post by cdj on Mar 15, 2021 9:47:55 GMT -5
I don’t want to get into the weeds on this, but some of us have questioned Rob’s durability and conditioning in the past and Steven’s alluded to both last night as a reason they are being so cautious with his playing time. “Rob obviously had a double-double, but I just think we can make it so that he can play more, and more and more as the season goes on,” Stevens said after Sunday’s win. “Again, the density of the games and his history, especially last year, we’re just being conservative. But he’s getting a lot better. You can see that. And he’s able to play a little bit longer stints than he has in the past, because he plays really hard when he’s out there. So that’s all encouraging.” He’s got an artery issue in his legs that he’s dealt with since 2018, I did not know that and once I learned it started to make more sense as to why they’re so conservative with him and felt the need to add another big this offseason
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 10:46:58 GMT -5
Yeah we all know he had a bone bruise that caused him to miss half the season and Steven's has also said it hasn't been an issue this year.
The artery issue is from 2018, is considered very minor and basically a non-issue. It can cause cramping and pain that goes away in a few minutes with rest. It's a rare condition, that if it gets bad can be fixed with a minor surgery. I don't think that's why they signed another big.
You signed another big because it wasn't likely that Robert Williams would continue to improve at the pace he has. He broke out last year in so many ways, yet still had a long ways to go. Yet he's taken yet another big jump this year. I don't know if I've ever seen a guy improve so fast, in so few games.
I get being cautious, yet this is sounding like an excuse more than anything. The more he plays the better he gets and the stronger he gets. You won't get Robert Williams ready to play big minutes in the playoffs unless you start ramping up his minutes. You build up conditioning over stretches of games. We've seen that with Embiid over the years a bunch. You just can't flip a switch and go from 15-20 minutes to 20-30 minutes a game. This seems a lot like 2018, Steven's doesn't handle too much talent at a position well. He wants to play everyone and feels he owes certain players minutes.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 10:53:22 GMT -5
See guys, this is what a bad team looks like. No that's what a team with one true NBA veteran type player looks like. They only had one big available and he's not even a good player. They spent most of that game playing SFs at C and PF. That's a team tanking so it can protect it's pick swap that's protected top 4
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2021 11:17:49 GMT -5
Yeah we all know he had a bone bruise that caused him to miss half the season and Steven's has also said it hasn't been an issue this year. The artery issue is from 2018, is considered very minor and basically a non-issue. It can cause cramping and pain that goes away in a few minutes with rest. It's a rare condition, that if it gets bad can be fixed with a minor surgery. I don't think that's why they signed another big. You signed another big because it wasn't likely that Robert Williams would continue to improve at the pace he has. He broke out last year in so many ways, yet still had a long ways to go. Yet he's taken yet another big jump this year. I don't know if I've ever seen a guy improve so fast, in so few games. I get being cautious, yet this is sounding like an excuse more than anything. The more he plays the better he gets and the stronger he gets. You won't get Robert Williams ready to play big minutes in the playoffs unless you start ramping up his minutes. You build up conditioning over stretches of games. We've seen that with Embiid over the years a bunch. You just can't flip a switch and go from 15-20 minutes to 20-30 minutes a game. This seems a lot like 2018, Steven's doesn't handle too much talent at a position well. He wants to play everyone and feels he owes certain players minutes. Could be an excuse but it’s also not one born out of no where. On a separate note, the playoffs don’t start tomorrow so there is plenty of season left to build minute loads for playoff basketball.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 15, 2021 11:24:40 GMT -5
According to ESPN.COM, Robert Lee Williams III is 7th in the entire NBA in Player Efficiency Rating.
Williams is the only NBA player in the top 15 of that stat who is averaging less than 29.5 minutes a game.
Williams is currently averaging 16.5 minutes per game.
On a team that has three stars who are largely one dimensional isolation scorers, not playing Robert Williams at this point is inexcusable.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 15, 2021 12:05:31 GMT -5
See guys, this is what a bad team looks like. No that's what a team with one true NBA veteran type player looks like. They only had one big available and he's not even a good player. They spent most of that game playing SFs at C and PF. That's a team tanking so it can protect it's pick swap that's protected top 4 No you missed my point bro. When I said this is what a bad team looks like, I meant this is what hopelessness looks like in the NBA. There's no path for the Rockets, no quick fixes, they're still going to be atrocious for the foreseeable future. We have done more than they have in the recent past and yet our core is still set to make more runs in the future. They have disintegrated. So as we navigate the at times turbulent season with so many pieces still trying to fit together, it's humbling to see other teams dealing with far worse scenarios. I give Danny a lot of shit, wcp and others give Brad a lot of shit, but I think we can all agree that it sure beats the eldritch horror that is being a legit BAD NBA team.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 12:50:17 GMT -5
Yeah we all know he had a bone bruise that caused him to miss half the season and Steven's has also said it hasn't been an issue this year. The artery issue is from 2018, is considered very minor and basically a non-issue. It can cause cramping and pain that goes away in a few minutes with rest. It's a rare condition, that if it gets bad can be fixed with a minor surgery. I don't think that's why they signed another big. You signed another big because it wasn't likely that Robert Williams would continue to improve at the pace he has. He broke out last year in so many ways, yet still had a long ways to go. Yet he's taken yet another big jump this year. I don't know if I've ever seen a guy improve so fast, in so few games. I get being cautious, yet this is sounding like an excuse more than anything. The more he plays the better he gets and the stronger he gets. You won't get Robert Williams ready to play big minutes in the playoffs unless you start ramping up his minutes. You build up conditioning over stretches of games. We've seen that with Embiid over the years a bunch. You just can't flip a switch and go from 15-20 minutes to 20-30 minutes a game. This seems a lot like 2018, Steven's doesn't handle too much talent at a position well. He wants to play everyone and feels he owes certain players minutes. Could be an excuse but it’s also not one born out of no where. On a separate note, the playoffs don’t start tomorrow so there is plenty of season left to build minute loads for playoff basketball. He's had one big injury in three years and that injury per Steven's isn't an issue this year. You going to limit Smart because he has one of those almost every year? When you going to start doing it? We are past the halfway point of the season. You want it to be gradual over a long stretch. Here's the kicker and the real issue, he would need to decrease Thompson's minutes.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 13:13:30 GMT -5
No that's what a team with one true NBA veteran type player looks like. They only had one big available and he's not even a good player. They spent most of that game playing SFs at C and PF. That's a team tanking so it can protect it's pick swap that's protected top 4 No you missed my point bro. When I said this is what a bad team looks like, I meant this is what hopelessness looks like in the NBA. There's no path for the Rockets, no quick fixes, they're still going to be atrocious for the foreseeable future. We have done more than they have in the recent past and yet our core is still set to make more runs in the future. They have disintegrated. So as we navigate the at times turbulent season with so many pieces still trying to fit together, it's humbling to see other teams dealing with far worse scenarios. I give Danny a lot of shit, wcp and others give Brad a lot of shit, but I think we can all agree that it sure beats the eldritch horror that is being a legit BAD NBA team. I don't get that point, they are tanking and starting a rebuild. They punted Cousins, they punted Tucker. Gordon, Woods and Wall are injured. I don't get why they have anything to do with the Celtics, we aren't rebuilding and tanking. I'd say if you need to look at a team like the Rockets to feel good about the Celtics that's not a good thing.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 15, 2021 13:35:58 GMT -5
I don't get that point, they are tanking and starting a rebuild. They punted Cousins, they punted Tucker. Gordon, Woods and Wall are injured. I don't get why they have anything to do with the Celtics, we aren't rebuilding and tanking. I'd say if you need to look at a team like the Rockets to feel good about the Celtics that's not a good thing. Continuous success in the NBA is hard. Danny and Brad have achieved that with multiple different teams and regardless of the hardships we faced in the current season, let's appreciate the fact that we're arguably well on the path to contend again. Or not, let's continue to be f*cking insufferable after every loss.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 13:49:40 GMT -5
I don't get that point, they are tanking and starting a rebuild. They punted Cousins, they punted Tucker. Gordon, Woods and Wall are injured. I don't get why they have anything to do with the Celtics, we aren't rebuilding and tanking. I'd say if you need to look at a team like the Rockets to feel good about the Celtics that's not a good thing. Continuous success in the NBA is hard. Danny and Brad have achieved that with multiple different teams and regardless of the hardships we faced in the current season, let's appreciate the fact that we're arguably well on the path to contend again. Or not, let's continue to be f*cking insufferable after every loss. Sure they have been great for many years, yet they also deserve most of what they are getting this year. The fire them crap is too much, yet everything else is what they deserve. Danny messed up and Steven's hasn't been great. That's what you get when the bar is set so high and the team isn't playing well.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 15, 2021 18:28:59 GMT -5
Sure they have been great for many years, yet they also deserve most of what they are getting this year. The fire them crap is too much, yet everything else is what they deserve. Danny messed up and Steven's hasn't been great. That's what you get when the bar is set so high and the team isn't playing well. True, but conversely they have also earned some trust. So half a season of merely decent basketball doesn't warrant so many long faces all the time. This hasn't been a very joyful season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 20:14:06 GMT -5
Sure they have been great for many years, yet they also deserve most of what they are getting this year. The fire them crap is too much, yet everything else is what they deserve. Danny messed up and Steven's hasn't been great. That's what you get when the bar is set so high and the team isn't playing well. True, but conversely they have also earned some trust. So half a season of merely decent basketball doesn't warrant so many long faces all the time. This hasn't been a very joyful season. Outside of fire them, they deserve it. I fully believe that. I think the loyal die-hard boston fans should be mad. Recent example look at Kemba Walker for Rozier, messing up the Hayward trade that was Turner, Mcdermott and a first round pick, trading 30th pick to save 5 million costing you Bane , signing Thompson over better wing players, signing Teague while letting Wanamaker go. The Grant Williams pick instead of Clarke.
He could have Turner, Clarke, Bane and a first round pick right now. Now imagine signing say Jae Crowder, bring back Wanamaker. I trust Danny overall, yet wow those were easy crazy obvious moves. That's a better offensive and defensive team, that checks almost every need.
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2021 0:03:55 GMT -5
There’s some Raptors/TT scuttlebutt out there
I wonder if they get Baynes back in the deal to play against Embiid
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2021 7:48:29 GMT -5
There’s some Raptors/TT scuttlebutt out there I wonder if they get Baynes back in the deal to play against Embiid I could see that if they make another deal. Kinda force Steven's hand and free up money next year to pay Theis. Then again I would have helping that team!
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2021 11:48:25 GMT -5
There’s some Raptors/TT scuttlebutt out there I wonder if they get Baynes back in the deal to play against Embiid I could see that if they make another deal. Kinda force Steven's hand and free up money next year to pay Theis. Then again I would have helping that team! I saw the Suns listed as a possible fit too and if Saric for TT isn’t the biggest no-brainer for both teams then I don’t know what is
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 16, 2021 13:04:17 GMT -5
umass has usurped my role as #1 Dario Saric supporter, but I've been banging on that drum from what feels like forever. Saric would make SO MUCH SENSE on this team it's actually stupid he's somehow not in Boston already. Just go get him Danny.
And Brandon Clarke was drafted before Grant umass. And you can't say Grant has been useless, I mean look at some of the dudes drafted before Grant. Chuma Okeke, Goga Bitadze, Manu Jiboia, Sekou Doumbouya, Luka Seferovic... I actually made some of those names up but I bet you can't figure out which unless you google them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2021 13:47:58 GMT -5
umass has usurped my role as #1 Dario Saric supporter, but I've been banging on that drum from what feels like forever. Saric would make SO MUCH SENSE on this team it's actually stupid he's somehow not in Boston already. Just go get him Danny. And Brandon Clarke was drafted before Grant umass. And you can't say Grant has been useless, I mean look at some of the dudes drafted before Grant. Chuma Okeke, Goga Bitadze, Manu Jiboia, Sekou Doumbouya, Luka Seferovic... I actually made some of those names up but I bet you can't figure out which unless you google them. You forget he traded pick 20 for pick 24 and pick 33. Then shipped pick 24 with Baynes to the sun's for pick 30 last year that was Bane. So yeah he could have just taken Clarke and traded pick 22 to the Suns to complete that deal. The downside? No Carson Edwards. I'm not nitpicking after the fact either, I had Clarke in the conversation at 14 that year. Should have been an easy choice, this wasn't he should have taken Gianni's type crap. You have to admit Danny hasn't been very good lately. BTW I know exactly who went in that draft, we had three picks, I studied that class for months. As for Saric if you can get him for Thompson that would be a brilliant move.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 16, 2021 14:45:02 GMT -5
You forget he traded pick 20 for pick 24 and pick 33. Then shipped pick 24 with Baynes to the sun's for pick 30 last year that was Bane. So yeah he could have just taken Clarke and traded pick 22 to the Suns to complete that deal. The downside? No Carson Edwards. I'm not nitpicking after the fact either, I had Clarke in the conversation at 14 that year. Should have been an easy choice, this wasn't he should have taken Gianni's type crap. You have to admit Danny hasn't been very good lately. BTW I know exactly who went in that draft, we had three picks, I studied that class for months. As for Saric if you can get him for Thompson that would be a brilliant move. I did forget that! Well, Grant wasn't a bad pick considering where he went. He did have that block against the Raps. Tough to get upset about any pick in the 20s not turning out to be Brandon Clarke. For the record, I wouldn't have taken alligator arms Clarke either. He was far from a sure thing. That deal makes sense for both teams considering personnel, but it's tricky because it depends on whether or not TT wants to go to the Suns. You can't trade him somewhere he doesn't want to be unless you plan on never signing a Klutch client ever again. But yeah, that trade would be AMAZING. You could even run a 2 big line-up with Saric and Timelord/Theis if you want. It gives us so much flexibility.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 16, 2021 19:44:51 GMT -5
If Semi finishes the season on the rotation I swear to God...
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 16, 2021 20:35:41 GMT -5
LOL at Grant getting as much playing time as Rob tonight
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 16, 2021 20:57:04 GMT -5
Man Smart should be fined every time he takes a 3 with less than 2 minutes left.
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Post by homerdante on Mar 16, 2021 20:57:26 GMT -5
Smart, 0-3 from 3 point range in the last 2 minutes.
Love having his intensity back on D, did not miss his inability to hit the broad side of the bard in crunch time.
ps, Tatum, every other "superstar" we face can figure out how to get an open 3 for themselves. Remains a mystery to you. Maybe it's film time.
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