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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 30, 2020 20:20:58 GMT -5
They can, they did that to create exceptions and because I believe the Pistons had cap space and used a minimum salary exception to make it happen. They didn't have to do it that way. The Magic can't acquire Theis without using an exception or cap space in a separate trade. Also why can't the Celtics and Magic make a simultaneous trade? Celtics trade for Gordon creating an exception, magic use that to acquire Theis and Edwards. Isn't that what the Walker for Rozier trade was? They traded us Walker, then used the exception simultaneous to get Rozier? They aren’t separate trades - both teams can just structure their sides differently. That’s exactly what the Clippers and Pistons did in the deal outlined in the article. It’s weird but so is the NBA. On Orlando’s side they’d look at it as Gordon for Theis and Langford which satisfies their cap. The Celtics would break it into 3 separate transactions. Teams can for different reasons, I'm saying I don't see why they have to do it the way your saying. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 30, 2020 20:33:13 GMT -5
They aren’t separate trades - both teams can just structure their sides differently. That’s exactly what the Clippers and Pistons did in the deal outlined in the article. It’s weird but so is the NBA. On Orlando’s side they’d look at it as Gordon for Theis and Langford which satisfies their cap. The Celtics would break it into 3 separate transactions. Teams can for different reasons, I'm saying I don't see why they have to do it the way your saying. Well first of all it’s more beneficially for the Celtics to structure it that way on their end because they’d create 2 new trade exceptions and secondly, they need all of Gordon’s contract to be used in the trade exception they have. They can’t keep an extra 5 million on the trade credit by including Theis. Doesn’t work that way, but Theis can create a new 5m trade credit. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 30, 2020 20:48:05 GMT -5
By the way, the Celtics were the best team in the NBA in 3rd quarters last year..... WTF  |
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Post by cdj on Dec 30, 2020 21:02:31 GMT -5
Hell of a tip pass by Clock Gawd (I’ve seen enough to see that TimeLord has evolved) to Smart in the corner
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Post by cdj on Dec 30, 2020 21:26:32 GMT -5
Robert can really dish
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 30, 2020 21:47:23 GMT -5
Payton Pritchard may have bailed Danny out LOL.
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Post by cdj on Dec 30, 2020 21:58:14 GMT -5
Jason Williams I mean Payton Pritchard
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 30, 2020 22:22:54 GMT -5
By the way, the Celtics were the best team in the NBA in 3rd quarters last year..... WTF wcp BTFO, Stevens to get a statue at the Garden. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 31, 2020 0:55:39 GMT -5
Teams can for different reasons, I'm saying I don't see why they have to do it the way your saying. Well first of all it’s more beneficially for the Celtics to structure it that way on their end because they’d create 2 new trade exceptions and secondly, they need all of Gordon’s contract to be used in the trade exception they have. They can’t keep an extra 5 million on the trade credit by including Theis. Doesn’t work that way, but Theis can create a new 5m trade credit. I don't disagree they likely do it that way if they trade a player like Theis where the exception is decent size. That doesn't mean they have too. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 31, 2020 1:06:12 GMT -5
Wow you can't say enough good things about Robert Williams right now. He showed flashes of passing before, yet wow. It's a shame he only had two assists because it felt like he should have had many more.
Pritchard looking good, yet damn so was Bane.
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Post by cdj on Dec 31, 2020 2:05:41 GMT -5
Wow you can't say enough good things about Robert Williams right now. He showed flashes of passing before, yet wow. It's a shame he only had two assists because it felt like he should have had many more. Pritchard looking good, yet damn so was Bane. One such instance where he made a sick pass that led to a brick was in the 4th when he made a touch pass off what I believe was a rebound to Grant williams on the wing for 3 The one to Smart in the corner was a thing of beauty The 2 games he’s gotten a shade over 20 min (PTS-RBD-ASS-STL-BLK): 12-4-1-4-2 6-10-2-1-4 FILLING BOXSCORES UP. He’ll still occasionally be a little too aggressive but it’s way less than what’s he’s done before- you can tell everything is slowing down for him. His positives are greatly outweighing any negatives I’ve seen out of him this year and I would really like him to consistently get between 20-25 min a night because he’s a difference maker on the defensive end He’s at times shown off an ok mid range in the past- he’s got legit skill. He’s not just a big body. Wouldn’t shock me if he learns to shoot the 3 ball well enough to make a couple attempts a game Worthwhile |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 31, 2020 6:36:02 GMT -5
Remember when people thought P Rabbit couldn’t get to the hoop? Guys a layup machine That was me and I thought he would get there but he would get swallowed up, wrong again. The dude is just a good Bball player and I love seeing him get minutes with the J's. That chemistry will get a lot better in time. He takes pressure off of them having to create every time down the floor. Brown was amazing last night playing with great confidence but the C's have to do more than just isolate 1 of the J's and hope for the best. I know it is early and they don't have much chemistry yet but the O needs more ball movement. One thing I have noticed is they have taken the ball out of Smarts hands for the most part. That is a good thing, he has been very good with his shot selection so far. Taking fewer shots and hitting 43% from 3 so far. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2020 7:15:45 GMT -5
Well first of all it’s more beneficially for the Celtics to structure it that way on their end because they’d create 2 new trade exceptions and secondly, they need all of Gordon’s contract to be used in the trade exception they have. They can’t keep an extra 5 million on the trade credit by including Theis. Doesn’t work that way, but Theis can create a new 5m trade credit. I don't disagree they likely do it that way if they trade a player like Theis where the exception is decent size. That doesn't mean they have too. I am honestly not 100% sure but From what I’ve read in the CBA I’m leaning towards how I broke it down. Every time I think I have NBA trade rules figured out, I don’t. I’m not going to keep discussing it but I may email some NBA guys to try and get a technical breakdown. Like if you’re right then do they only use 13.1m of the TPE because of Theis 5m salary offsetting some of Gordon’s 18.1m? The important thing is this: You’re right in a practical sense that the Celtics can trade players and use the exception to acquire another player. It really doesn’t much matter how it’s broken down for us to know that much. |
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Post by mobaz on Dec 31, 2020 7:25:18 GMT -5
Gordon Hayward got outshined by Lamelo last night. It's happening again, and sooner than he thought. That guy just can't have his own team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2020 7:45:56 GMT -5
Gordon Hayward got outshined by Lamelo last night. It's happening again, and sooner than he thought. That guy just can't have his own team. I don’t think he ever wanted his own team. He had that in Utah. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2020 8:06:28 GMT -5
We are going to complain during this season and we are likely going to be talking about another missed opportunity at the end of the year, but this has always been about Brown and Tatum and young players don’t lead teams to Titles in modern day NBA. They just don’t. Closest you have is Kobe and that was undoubtedly Shaqs team in a big man league.
The reality is Tatum and Brown are still likely 2 years away from being smart and strong enough to be those guys. 25/26 seems to be the real start so I do suggest we just enjoy the ride and not over-react if they don’t do something unprecedented in the NBA. The things they are currently doing are practically unprecedented at their ages so it’s easy Tiger caught up in expecting more and they wouldn’t be doing them if they were trapped behind other players like Kyrie and KD.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2020 8:13:10 GMT -5
Looks like the Celtics should have given their bi-annual to Batum rather than letting him go to LA on the minimum.
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Post by cdj on Dec 31, 2020 16:29:42 GMT -5
Looking at a bunch of team numbers and my goodness do the Celtics kick ass with TimeLord on the court so far this season
He’s got a 141 ORTG and a 105 DRTG
Best on the team in both categories (out of the guys who regularly play)
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2020 18:50:26 GMT -5
Looking at a bunch of team numbers and my goodness do the Celtics kick ass with TimeLord on the court so far this season He’s got a 141 ORTG and a 105 DRTG Best on the team in both categories (out of the guys who regularly play) Williams looks gassed a lot, at least to me, so I’m not sure it’s a conditioning thing or he just needs to learn to play a little more efficiently. However, It’s really hard for a big to play more than 25 a night in this system, and play it right. hopefully he gets into that range consistently. I mean you need to be the first one up the court both ways. Run out to set a screen, dive back to the hoop, switch around on defense. That’s a lot to ask a big man to do. |
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Post by ianrs on Jan 1, 2021 3:51:03 GMT -5
Looking at a bunch of team numbers and my goodness do the Celtics kick ass with TimeLord on the court so far this season He’s got a 141 ORTG and a 105 DRTG Best on the team in both categories (out of the guys who regularly play) Williams looks gassed a lot, at least to me, so I’m not sure it’s a conditioning thing or he just needs to learn to play a little more efficiently. However, It’s really hard for a big to play more than 25 a night in this system, and play it right. hopefully he gets into that range consistently. I mean you need to be the first one up the court both ways. Run out to set a screen, dive back to the hoop, switch around on defense. That’s a lot to ask a big man to do. Probably because he's been running around like a madman all of his minutes haha he's looking like a man possessed out there. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 1, 2021 14:21:39 GMT -5
I think Robert Williams conditioning is much better than years past. Given our depth you want him playing full out. He's been the most active guy on the court, regularly being the first guy up the court after made baskets and fast breaks. Good stuff, don't change a thing.
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Post by cdj on Jan 1, 2021 14:44:14 GMT -5
I think Robert Williams conditioning is much better than years past. Given our depth you want him playing full out. He's been the most active guy on the court, regularly being the first guy up the court after made baskets and fast breaks. Good stuff, don't change a thing. His all around instincts are good enough where if we can get him to play like his hair is on fire for 20-25 min a night he’s going to be HIGHLY valuable. We talk about his shot blocking but he’s been pretty great at disrupting passing lanes too. He’ll get his fair share of lobs too He’s a good enough passer where you can run some stuff through him from the elbow/high post. Particularly if he develops a decent jumper (it honestly hasn’t looked awful whenever he’s taken it) |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 1, 2021 18:52:38 GMT -5
Stevens is determined to make this two big lineup work.
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Post by philarhody on Jan 1, 2021 19:19:17 GMT -5
Stevens is determined to make this two big lineup work. And it looks horrible again tonight |
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Post by cdj on Jan 1, 2021 19:20:57 GMT -5
I feel it’s going to take some time for TT and Theis to get used to each other
That said we want TimeLord!!!!!
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