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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 22, 2021 0:18:08 GMT -5
Per reports they don't want to pay him what he wants. Oh. That and there are rumors that him and Trae Young do not like each other- seems like he’s definitely getting moved The trade rumor is per Kevin O’Connor The price on Collins is said to be a young player and a 1st OH! Ok, we need to get in on this action, Collins would be downright messianic for this team. How about this:  Plus picks and all. Is that a good starting point? |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 22, 2021 9:07:47 GMT -5
My fear is that it's going to cost Smart. That being said, I AM dreading Marcus' free agency.
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Post by dyoungteach on Mar 22, 2021 9:33:28 GMT -5
My fear is that it's going to cost Smart. That being said, I AM dreading Marcus' free agency. If Celtics sign smart to some large extension that costs $25+ million a year they will not see an nba championship within 5 years due to it. I’m essentially saying Marcus smart is a glue guy not a star or even an all star and can not lead you to a championship. He’s great defender. Tough guy mentality. A Rodman type guard without huge rebounding. BUT he needs 2-3 top stars around him to win. So if you eat up salary space with his large contract you are asking for major issues down the line . So.... if you can deal smart and get a couple really good rotation pieces or more; please do so |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 22, 2021 10:34:23 GMT -5
My fear is that it's going to cost Smart. That being said, I AM dreading Marcus' free agency. If Celtics sign smart to some large extension that costs $25+ million a year they will not see an nba championship within 5 years due to it. I’m essentially saying Marcus smart is a glue guy not a star or even an all star and can not lead you to a championship. He’s great defender. Tough guy mentality. A Rodman type guard without huge rebounding. BUT he needs 2-3 top stars around him to win. So if you eat up salary space with his large contract you are asking for major issues down the line . So.... if you can deal smart and get a couple really good rotation pieces or more; please do so Marcus Smart isn’t sniffing 20m a year let alone 25m. He’s not a guy who gets paid huge money. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 22, 2021 11:37:04 GMT -5
Let’s say the Hawks approach you and are like Collins and Bogdanovic for Smart, Nesmith, Thompson, and a 1st. Do you do it?
Guard defense would be atrocious but they could probably outscore teams
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 22, 2021 12:08:09 GMT -5
Let’s say the Hawks approach you and are like Collins and Bogdanovic for Smart, Nesmith, Thompson, and a 1st. Do you do it? Guard defense would be atrocious but they could probably outscore teams I think you need to trade Kemba to get Collins for money reasons. If you don't, you'd end up with 4 gargantuan contracts and pretty much no room for maneuver. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 22, 2021 12:50:41 GMT -5
If Celtics sign smart to some large extension that costs $25+ million a year they will not see an nba championship within 5 years due to it. I’m essentially saying Marcus smart is a glue guy not a star or even an all star and can not lead you to a championship. He’s great defender. Tough guy mentality. A Rodman type guard without huge rebounding. BUT he needs 2-3 top stars around him to win. So if you eat up salary space with his large contract you are asking for major issues down the line . So.... if you can deal smart and get a couple really good rotation pieces or more; please do so Marcus Smart isn’t sniffing 20m a year let alone 25m. He’s not a guy who gets paid huge money. I agree Smart isn't someone who should get that, I'd have said no way Jerami Grant gets 20 million over three years also. If Thompson gets almost 10 million over two years, Smart has to be closer to 20 million. I get what your saying, contenders won't spend that much, yet some crappy stupid team might. Otto Porter Jr. is making like 28 million. The Hawks just went crazy signing players like that. You have to worry about Smart and Robert Williams in another year |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 22, 2021 12:54:12 GMT -5
Let’s say the Hawks approach you and are like Collins and Bogdanovic for Smart, Nesmith, Thompson, and a 1st. Do you do it? Guard defense would be atrocious but they could probably outscore teams It's interesting, yet unless you get another guard who can create you might just be making things worse. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 22, 2021 12:55:30 GMT -5
Let’s say the Hawks approach you and are like Collins and Bogdanovic for Smart, Nesmith, Thompson, and a 1st. Do you do it? Guard defense would be atrocious but they could probably outscore teams I think you need to trade Kemba to get Collins for money reasons. If you don't, you'd end up with 4 gargantuan contracts and pretty much no room for maneuver. I don't see how you move Walker without taking on a bad contract. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 22, 2021 13:02:47 GMT -5
I don't see how you move Walker without taking on a bad contract. Did you see the trade I put up? Theoretically Bogdanovic is that bad contract. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 22, 2021 13:28:04 GMT -5
Not sure Atlanta thinks that Bogdanovic is the bad contract that you (or Danny) thinks he is.
TBC - I don't think Ainge believes BB is a bad contract but it seems he IS trying to convince Atlanta of that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 22, 2021 13:46:32 GMT -5
I don't see how you move Walker without taking on a bad contract. Did you see the trade I put up? Theoretically Bogdanovic is that bad contract. You have the Pelicans shipping out Adams and Ball to get Kemba Walker. The Pelicans just traded for Adams and he signed an extension that's a lot cheaper going forward. Why would the Pelicans do that? Why would Atlanta do that? You think they want Capela and Adams? Take out Walker, Adams and Thompson you might be able to make a deal with those three teams. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 22, 2021 15:14:07 GMT -5
You have the Pelicans shipping out Adams and Ball to get Kemba Walker. The Pelicans just traded for Adams and he signed an extension that's a lot cheaper going forward. Why would the Pelicans do that? Why would Atlanta do that? You think they want Capela and Adams? Take out Walker, Adams and Thompson you might be able to make a deal with those three teams. I missed the Adams extension. Let's try another version of that trade:  If you think like damn the Hawks are getting humped, we can also do:  |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 22, 2021 15:27:17 GMT -5
Athletic is running a blog up through the deadline and 1st up is Aaron Gordon. Says Houston, Minny, Denver and Portland would be Boston's main competition. Boston's offer would likely be TT, Nesmith, Green and a 1st. Don't HAVE to include Green but it makes the luxury tax an issue next season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 22, 2021 16:43:26 GMT -5
You have the Pelicans shipping out Adams and Ball to get Kemba Walker. The Pelicans just traded for Adams and he signed an extension that's a lot cheaper going forward. Why would the Pelicans do that? Why would Atlanta do that? You think they want Capela and Adams? Take out Walker, Adams and Thompson you might be able to make a deal with those three teams. I missed the Adams extension. Let's try another version of that trade: If you think like damn the Hawks are getting humped, we can also do: Given our exceptions you don't need to make deals that work in the trade machine. Bledsoe is a bad contract, yet if you didn't want to pay Ball why take Walker? Let's say they are in on that for some crazy reason, few ways to do this. Let's say Kemba, Nesmith and two first for Bledsoe, Ball, filler if need be. Then flip Ball, Langford and a first round pick for Collins, Bogdanovic and Rondo. Maybe adjust it slightly, Langford to Pelicans to help offset taking Walker. It's fun to talk about, I just don't see the Pelicans wanting Walker. I will say I love your determination to move him. I just think the bad contracts need to be like John Wall/Russell Westbrook type bad and it would still likely require a pick. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 22, 2021 16:55:44 GMT -5
It's fun to talk about, I just don't see the Pelicans wanting Walker. I will say I love your determination to move him. I just think the bad contracts need to be like John Wall/Russell Westbrook type bad and it would still likely require a pick. Oh no, Kemba is having a bad season but he's not THAT BAD. I think he could turn things around especially if you give him an all timer inside presence like Zion. IF the Pelicans truly want to move Ball and IF the Hawks also want to move Collins, I think stuff like that plus picks could get them to play ball. There was rumors about the Clippers wanting Lonzo, who do they even have that would beat that offer? |
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Post by cdj on Mar 22, 2021 17:09:12 GMT -5
The thing that intrigues me about Aaron Gordon is the stretches of play where he is playing point forward. He was facilitating pretty well for the Magic. It was encouraging to see him still improving and adding to his game
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Post by dyoungteach on Mar 22, 2021 17:26:27 GMT -5
If Celtics sign smart to some large extension that costs $25+ million a year they will not see an nba championship within 5 years due to it. I’m essentially saying Marcus smart is a glue guy not a star or even an all star and can not lead you to a championship. He’s great defender. Tough guy mentality. A Rodman type guard without huge rebounding. BUT he needs 2-3 top stars around him to win. So if you eat up salary space with his large contract you are asking for major issues down the line . So.... if you can deal smart and get a couple really good rotation pieces or more; please do so Marcus Smart isn’t sniffing 20m a year let alone 25m. He’s not a guy who gets paid huge money. Sadly I think your wrong. Marcus smart will sniff dance on and pocket $20-$25 million a year unless he takes a competitive team discount but even then he will be $18mill a year. He just doesn’t move the pendulum that much for me |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 22, 2021 21:11:56 GMT -5
Sources telling some that Boston may be in the lead for Aaron Gordon after indicating willingness to include 2 1sts.
Sources also saying they have moved to top of Gordon's wishlist.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 22, 2021 21:14:26 GMT -5
I'm just not a huge Gordon fan, but he absolutely FITS this team.
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Post by cdj on Mar 22, 2021 21:20:44 GMT -5
Would be huge to add his defensive versatility and playmaking ability. He’s making his 3’s this year too
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 22, 2021 23:17:04 GMT -5
Would be huge to add his defensive versatility and playmaking ability. He’s making his 3’s this year too Yeah, being a good defensive player on top of having some upside on offense really sells me on him. Look at how easily Memphis scored on us tonight in the paint. Besides, he would take minutes from Semi. That's reason enough to do pretty much any trade. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 23, 2021 6:18:22 GMT -5
According to Sam Amick, the framework of the deal includes Smart and 2 1sts heading to Orlando and Gordon + Fournier heading to Boston
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Post by cdj on Mar 23, 2021 9:01:48 GMT -5
I only like it if both are here to stay
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Post by texs31 on Mar 23, 2021 9:10:29 GMT -5
I only like it if both are here to stay Still having problems with the value exchange. Pending FAs of Fournier's caliber maybe get you a 1st. That means that Aaron Gordon is a 1st Rd pick better than Marcus Smart? Or, if you want to lock in Smart being equal to Gordon, that means Fournier is worth 2 1st rounders? Ryan Bernardoni presented an altered version of the trade where Boston sends TT (and Semi and Edwards) to Orlando while C's get Khem Birch as well (so that, technically, offsets some of the value inequality though I'm sure some would have a problem trading yet another 1st to "clean the book"). Orlando would likely try and find a 3rd team to move TT on. So the "extra" 1st rd pick would help Boston's books for next year while getting a replacement for TT's minutes. Not sure Fournier would be in Boston's plans unless they can find a taker for Kemba (while also finding a starting caliber ball handler). |
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