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Post by cdj on Mar 23, 2021 9:31:34 GMT -5
I only like it if both are here to stay Still having problems with the value exchange. Pending FAs of Fournier's caliber maybe get you a 1st. That means that Aaron Gordon is a 1st Rd pick better than Marcus Smart? Or, if you want to lock in Smart being equal to Gordon, that means Fournier is worth 2 1st rounders? Ryan Bernardoni presented an altered version of the trade where Boston sends TT (and Semi and Edwards) to Orlando while C's get Khem Birch as well (so that, technically, offsets some of the value inequality though I'm sure some would have a problem trading yet another 1st to "clean the book"). Orlando would likely try and find a 3rd team to move TT on. So the "extra" 1st rd pick would help Boston's books for next year while getting a replacement for TT's minutes. Not sure Fournier would be in Boston's plans unless they can find a taker for Kemba (while also finding a starting caliber ball handler). Yeah as unfortunate as it is this team basically comes down to what Kemba is giving them on any given night The guard D would be atrocious with this trade so they’d hopefully average 120 ppg |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 23, 2021 9:43:02 GMT -5
In today's update, Hollinger brings up the TT for Birch addition (not part of the rumor but says Boston should probably try) but, ultimately, says it's not likely since it hampers what Orlando could do next offseason.
Also suggests that Boston could do this as an "extend and trade" with Fournier where Fournier gets locked in at his current cap # (for multiple years) as part of the trade.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2021 10:11:41 GMT -5
If you get Gordon you almost have to trade Thompson. Gordon would need minutes at center. Unless you'd think about trading Theis.
I don't see including Smart to get Fournier and still trading two firsts. I could see it with Thompson.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 23, 2021 10:30:39 GMT -5
Athletic also saying that an NBA Exec feels the deal would be done if it wasn't for the fact that Danny is trying to make another move (unclear whether it's a separate one or an expansion of the Gordon deal).
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Post by texs31 on Mar 23, 2021 10:46:05 GMT -5
It's lying season as Yahoo reports Pacers are listening in on Sabonis (and Brogdon). Also, Athletic says Chicago listening on Markkanen (makes sense).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2021 11:11:01 GMT -5
Few issues I see with both the Hawks and Magic deals is the mix with our centers while adding a PF. The appeal of Collins/Gordon shouldn't be to just play our centers with them at PF full-time. It should be what we look like with Collins/Gordon at center, Tatum at PF, Brown at SF, Smart at SG/PG and Walker. Finally giving you a let's just outscore you option.
Thompson is the easy choice given his player option next year. Yet if you get either Collins or Gordon you aren't paying Theis right? Theis could net you something rather good I'd imagine.
I'm not saying do this, yet isn't Smart for Ball an option the Pelicans might love? Getting you Gordon and Ball. I'd rather pay Ball 20 million going forward than Smart, lock in the PG of the future. The perfect player to just create for scorers, defend and shoot open three's. If you're going to trade Smart which I really don't want to, Ball makes as much sense as anyone would. Locking in a young core of Williams, Gordon, Tatum, Brown and Ball.
It's getting crazy, yet this is what Danny needs to at minimum be looking at doing.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 23, 2021 11:37:18 GMT -5
It's lying season as Yahoo reports Pacers are listening in on Sabonis (and Brogdon). Also, Athletic says Chicago listening on Markkanen (makes sense). Screw Gordon, let's get Lauri Legend! Put Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Lauri and Timelord when you want to mess teams up. Boom. Unstoppable baby! |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 23, 2021 11:39:34 GMT -5
If you get Gordon you almost have to trade Thompson. Gordon would need minutes at center. Unless you'd think about trading Theis. I don't see including Smart to get Fournier and still trading two firsts. I could see it with Thompson. Sorry for the double post but this one should be separated from the other post, but Gordon is a Theis replacement. There's basically no overlap between Gordon and Thompson in terms of what they do. Gordon and Theis are much more redundant. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 23, 2021 11:41:14 GMT -5
IIUC he's suggesting from a minutes standpoint, not from a skillset standpoint.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2021 11:51:19 GMT -5
It's fun to talk about, I just don't see the Pelicans wanting Walker. I will say I love your determination to move him. I just think the bad contracts need to be like John Wall/Russell Westbrook type bad and it would still likely require a pick. Oh no, Kemba is having a bad season but he's not THAT BAD. I think he could turn things around especially if you give him an all timer inside presence like Zion. IF the Pelicans truly want to move Ball and IF the Hawks also want to move Collins, I think stuff like that plus picks could get them to play ball. There was rumors about the Clippers wanting Lonzo, who do they even have that would beat that offer? Based on what? Russell Westbrook is a much better player in my book right now. I don't know if you can get him to adjust his game to fit our style. Yet he's still a beast. I'd say Walker and Wall are about even. Walker had that five game stretch where it looked like yeah maybe he's back. It kinda screams cortisone shot, yet you can only get so many of those. The old Kemba Walker is gone forever. We are watching Kemba try to reinvent himself, it's just this version isn't very efficient. Given his size and D, that's not a good combo. So I'm 100% on board moving him, I don't mind Bledsoe. I just don't see the Pelicans not wanting to pay Ball, then saying let's gamble on Kemba Walker. An old small PG with a bad knee. Van Gundy is a defensive coach. I'll give you props it you're right, I don't see it. Mainly because unlike Hayward I don't see how Walker gets better given the information we have. I'd like to see him play a bench role, he'd add value taking over with the second unit. Allow him to play every game, just reduced minutes 15-20 a game. Thus allowing the starters to gel and form chemistry. Kemba has a 108 offensive rating and 115 defensive rating, those are both the worst among our starting players. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2021 12:04:07 GMT -5
If you get Gordon you almost have to trade Thompson. Gordon would need minutes at center. Unless you'd think about trading Theis. I don't see including Smart to get Fournier and still trading two firsts. I could see it with Thompson. Sorry for the double post but this one should be separated from the other post, but Gordon is a Theis replacement. There's basically no overlap between Gordon and Thompson in terms of what they do. Gordon and Theis are much more redundant. The problem with Thompson is he completely overlaps with Robert Williams. I don't disagree Gordon is likely Theis long-term replacement. Yet if you want to play big, Theis/Robert Williams works next to Gordon better than Thompson does. I can see them moving Theis if you can get a good return and to get something for him. Yet overall fit wise, Thompson is the odd man out. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 23, 2021 12:42:31 GMT -5
Based on what? Russell Westbrook is a much better player in my book right now. I don't know if you can get him to adjust his game to fit our style. Yet he's still a beast. I'd say Walker and Wall are about even. Walker had that five game stretch where it looked like yeah maybe he's back. It kinda screams cortisone shot, yet you can only get so many of those. The old Kemba Walker is gone forever. We are watching Kemba try to reinvent himself, it's just this version isn't very efficient. Given his size and D, that's not a good combo. I don't think so friend, you could be right and Kemba knees could be FUBAR and he'll never get back to being a decent player. But I think you're giving up on his chances to be good again too soon. Meanwhile, we have much more evidence of Russ and Wall not being great basketball players. They're older, can't shoot AT ALL and despite having decent numbers, they flat out don't pass the eye test. Again, I could be wrong here. But I honestly think Kemba has more upside at this point in his career. He plays a mean PnR game, put him next to a great inside presence and he could improve even faster than he would playing the Stevens offense. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2021 13:44:36 GMT -5
Based on what? Russell Westbrook is a much better player in my book right now. I don't know if you can get him to adjust his game to fit our style. Yet he's still a beast. I'd say Walker and Wall are about even. Walker had that five game stretch where it looked like yeah maybe he's back. It kinda screams cortisone shot, yet you can only get so many of those. The old Kemba Walker is gone forever. We are watching Kemba try to reinvent himself, it's just this version isn't very efficient. Given his size and D, that's not a good combo. I don't think so friend, you could be right and Kemba knees could be FUBAR and he'll never get back to being a decent player. But I think you're giving up on his chances to be good again too soon. Meanwhile, we have much more evidence of Russ and Wall not being great basketball players. They're older, can't shoot AT ALL and despite having decent numbers, they flat out don't pass the eye test. Again, I could be wrong here. But I honestly think Kemba has more upside at this point in his career. He plays a mean PnR game, put him next to a great inside presence and he could improve even faster than he would playing the Stevens offense. You base Walker can improve off of what? You are criminally underrating Westbrook. Imagine Gordon, Tatum, Brown and Smart as your starters. You don't need his shooting. I don't know if Westbrook has it in him to dial down his scoring and just focus on creating, rebounding, playing D and attacking the paint. If he did he would be perfect. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 23, 2021 14:12:34 GMT -5
You base Walker can improve off of what? You are criminally underrating Westbrook. Imagine Gordon, Tatum, Brown and Smart as your starters. You don't need his shooting. I don't know if Westbrook has it in him to dial down his scoring and just focus on creating, rebounding, playing D and attacking the paint. If he did he would be perfect. Kemba is having a down year due to injury, that is what I know fore sure. I'm not sure his knees are completely gone, he has a track record of being a really good player so I'm not at that point where I rule out the possibility of him getting back to that level. I'm not a doctor. And Westbrook played next to Durant for the longest time and he could stop taking stupid shots. He's also a ball hog, he has been getting worse on defense every year and shoots FTs like prime Shaq. I'd pass hard on that. Lonzo would be a good fit though, so I'll give you that lol. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2021 15:32:18 GMT -5
You base Walker can improve off of what? You are criminally underrating Westbrook. Imagine Gordon, Tatum, Brown and Smart as your starters. You don't need his shooting. I don't know if Westbrook has it in him to dial down his scoring and just focus on creating, rebounding, playing D and attacking the paint. If he did he would be perfect. Kemba is having a down year due to injury, that is what I know fore sure. I'm not sure his knees are completely gone, he has a track record of being a really good player so I'm not at that point where I rule out the possibility of him getting back to that level. I'm not a doctor. And Westbrook played next to Durant for the longest time and he could stop taking stupid shots. He's also a ball hog, he has been getting worse on defense every year and shoots FTs like prime Shaq. I'd pass hard on that. Lonzo would be a good fit though, so I'll give you that lol. I'm no doctor, yet his "injury" is arthritis not something surgery can fix and it doesn't just get better. He's already had the two methods to try and help it. Stem cell injections reach maximum efficiency between 3-6 months, he's at the 5/6 month mark right now. I don't care what his track record was, that was before the 2nd half of last year. He can no longer just blow by guys all game long, he's just not the same lethal scorer he once was. Given his size and D, that's a huge issue. I don't know if I'd trade for Westbrook, yet he's now in that category of bad contract. At least Westbrook is healthy and once again almost averaging a triple double. If Danny can find a GM that thinks like you do on Kemba he needs to move him ASAP. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 23, 2021 16:42:55 GMT -5
According to Kevin O'Connor, TT is "resented" in the locker room and "doesn't want to play". Yikes.
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Post by cdj on Mar 23, 2021 18:07:01 GMT -5
According to Kevin O'Connor, TT is "resented" in the locker room and "doesn't want to play". Yikes. Yeah I listened to the clip, basically this complete moron keeps going out |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 23, 2021 18:18:08 GMT -5
According to Kevin O'Connor, TT is "resented" in the locker room and "doesn't want to play". Yikes. Resented about what? |
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Post by cdj on Mar 23, 2021 18:23:47 GMT -5
Although JB has something to say about that
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 23, 2021 18:44:41 GMT -5
According to Kevin O'Connor, TT is "resented" in the locker room and "doesn't want to play". Yikes. Resented about what? He keeps breaking Covid protocols by going out and ending up on the Covid restricted list, second time this year. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 23, 2021 19:29:27 GMT -5
Kemba denies it as well.
Of course, it could be coming from Danny and Co as they try and trade him.
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Post by cdj on Mar 23, 2021 22:24:25 GMT -5
They’re 1 game out of 4th lol How?  |
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Post by cdj on Mar 23, 2021 23:06:06 GMT -5
Scuttlebutt out there says Redick will be bought out and sign with a team on the east coast after the deadline
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2021 6:30:38 GMT -5
Kemba denies it as well. Of course, it could be coming from Danny and Co as they try and trade him. Why would the team hurt a guys trade value as they try to deal him? Also, if teammates didn’t think it was a bs report they would stay quiet about it not speak out voluntarily like Jaylen did on Twitter. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2021 6:33:40 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind if they trade fir Fournier and Gordon. The Magic have a borderline great player but are nearly in last place. So how good are Fournier and Gordon? I should probably give them a pass for the same reasons I am giving the Celtics one, but you’d think they should be at least competitive.
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