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Post by texs31 on Mar 24, 2021 6:48:34 GMT -5
Kemba denies it as well. Of course, it could be coming from Danny and Co as they try and trade him. Why would the team hurt a guys trade value as they try to deal him? Also, if teammates didn’t think it was a bs report they would stay quiet about it not speak out voluntarily like Jaylen did on Twitter. KOC is pretty good and not likely to push out BS. So, there are a few possible sources: - The team (pretty loud voices spoke out so probably not them) - The Front Office - to set up a narrative for if/when a trade is made - TT himself (could be as simple as him having a crap day, making some off the cuff comments about "they resent me" and they "don't think I want to play") The larger point is that when you hear stuff from the respected folks in the media, it's probably somewhere between truth and BS or coming from someone with an agenda. But PURE BS? If a source keeps BSing someone, then that person stops being a source one would imagine. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 24, 2021 6:54:18 GMT -5
BTW - I think this rumor would not do that much to his already low trade value.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2021 7:00:20 GMT -5
Why would the team hurt a guys trade value as they try to deal him? Also, if teammates didn’t think it was a bs report they would stay quiet about it not speak out voluntarily like Jaylen did on Twitter. KOC is pretty good and not likely to push out BS. So, there are a few possible sources: - The team (pretty loud voices spoke out so probably not them) - The Front Office - to set up a narrative for if/when a trade is made - TT himself (could be as simple as him having a crap day, making some off the cuff comments about "they resent me" and they "don't think I want to play") The larger point is that when you hear stuff from the respected folks in the media, it's probably somewhere between truth and BS or coming from someone with an agenda. But PURE BS? If a source keeps BSing someone, then that person stops being a source one would imagine. I just said teammates thought it was BS and that it makes no sense for it to be the front office. Wasn’t suggesting KOC “made it up”, but in today’s day and age even out good reporters run with stories based on limited sourcing. So it could legitimately be some guy who’s around the team or a players friend who heard a moment of frustration from a couple guys talking: “like what the F Tristian did it again?l after hearing the news. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2021 7:15:00 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind if they trade fir Fournier and Gordon. The Magic have a borderline great player but are nearly in last place. So how good are Fournier and Gordon? I should probably give them a pass for the same reasons I am giving the Celtics one, but you’d think they should be at least competitive. The interesting thing is how you make that happen, they make more than the exception. That team is similar to the Celtics in that injuries have killed them, they are down their top two PGs, lost Gordon for 6 weeks. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2021 7:16:43 GMT -5
Here’s an interesting tidbit... the issue is players with second years, but these teams should have no issues adding salary at minimal value.
This hasn’t come up in a while, but the New York Knicks and Oklahoma City Thunder both stand below the league’s salary floor right now. Additionally, that number is now pro-rated over the course of the season to prevent some shenanigans of yore. If New York doesn’t add roughly $13 million in the next few days, or if the Thunder don’t add about $12 million, it will be free money for the players currently on their roster. They’ll be cut checks to make up the difference and bring their teams to the floor. — John Hollinger
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Post by texs31 on Mar 24, 2021 7:17:06 GMT -5
TBC, I'm not digging in on the idea that it absolutely came from the FO. But I also don't think it makes no sense. It's innocuous enough to brush off but also use if anyone (FA/Agent) starts challenging the C's on why players keep coming here and then are either shipped off our leave on their own accord.
And yes, it could absolutely be the scenario you described (and most likely is).
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2021 7:17:51 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind if they trade fir Fournier and Gordon. The Magic have a borderline great player but are nearly in last place. So how good are Fournier and Gordon? I should probably give them a pass for the same reasons I am giving the Celtics one, but you’d think they should be at least competitive. The interesting thing is how you make that happen, they make more than the exception. That team is similar to the Celtics in that injuries have killed them, they are down their top two PGs, lost Gordon for 6 weeks. It’s pretty simple if they wanted it to be. Smart can be dealt straight up for Gordon (salary matching is close enough). |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2021 7:23:02 GMT -5
I think the comments on TT are a bunch of things. Let's remember Steven's said a few days ago no more big lineups, basically saying TT won't start anymore. Someone on the team doesn't like him going out and getting placed into Covid protocols.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2021 7:27:49 GMT -5
The interesting thing is how you make that happen, they make more than the exception. That team is similar to the Celtics in that injuries have killed them, they are down their top two PGs, lost Gordon for 6 weeks. It’s pretty simple if they wanted it to be. Smart can be dealt straight up for Gordon (salary matching is close enough). I don't buy that rumor for one second, which is why I find it interesting. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2021 8:55:08 GMT -5
Reports say the Kings offered Bagley for Bey and were shot down. He broke a bone in his hand, out for another three weeks. Yet if Nesmith could get you Bagley that could be a nice fallback option.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 24, 2021 9:10:43 GMT -5
Reports say the Kings offered Bagley for Bey and were shot down. He broke a bone in his hand, out for another three weeks. Yet if Nesmith could get you Bagley that could be a nice fallback option. I think Nesmith might be better than both of those guys. This team is using him all wrong. It’s really stupid actually. You draft a gravitational shooter and sit him in the corner, which is something that no great shooter has to ever done. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2021 9:42:18 GMT -5
Reports say the Kings offered Bagley for Bey and were shot down. He broke a bone in his hand, out for another three weeks. Yet if Nesmith could get you Bagley that could be a nice fallback option. I think Nesmith might be better than both of those guys. This team is using him all wrong. It’s really stupid actually. You draft a gravitational shooter and sit him in the corner, which is something that no great shooter has to ever done. That's what he did in College though. I watched everyone of his games, well highlights of every game his sophomore year. It's why I had doubts on him, he didn't do things other great shooters did. He sat in the corner shooting open three's. Guys like Tyler Herro did so much more when I watched his tape. I don't see the Celtics using him wrong, he's just a very raw player that needs to be taught almost everything. Herro is like Tatum a crazy advanced young player, Nesmith might be a great shooter, yet he doesn't have the skills needed to use it right now. He wasn't using screens like a Ray Allen and he almost never created jump shots off the dribble in College. I'd say the bigger issue is not getting him more open looks because their team ball comes and goes this year. I watch Nesmith and I watch Bagley, for me it's clear Bagley has the higher upside. Not many big guys can do what he can. In theory he's perfect for Stevens offense. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 24, 2021 11:25:22 GMT -5
I think Nesmith might be better than both of those guys. This team is using him all wrong. It’s really stupid actually. You draft a gravitational shooter and sit him in the corner, which is something that no great shooter has to ever done. That's what he did in College though. I watched everyone of his games, well highlights of every game his sophomore year. It's why I had doubts on him, he didn't do things other great shooters did. He sat in the corner shooting open three's. Guys like Tyler Herro did so much more when I watched his tape. I don't see the Celtics using him wrong, he's just a very raw player that needs to be taught almost everything. Herro is like Tatum a crazy advanced young player, Nesmith might be a great shooter, yet he doesn't have the skills needed to use it right now. He wasn't using screens like a Ray Allen and he almost never created jump shots off the dribble in College. I'd say the bigger issue is not getting him more open looks because their team ball comes and goes this year. I watch Nesmith and I watch Bagley, for me it's clear Bagley has the higher upside. Not many big guys can do what he can. In theory he's perfect for Stevens offense. Yeah I’m not sure. I don’t think he’s Tyler Herro. But in this game he had 12 made field goals and they were all off of the bounce or motion. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 24, 2021 12:31:27 GMT -5
Mark Murphy saying that the C's offer for Gordon is a young player (not Smart) and a 1st. Trying not to include a 2nd 1st rd pick.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2021 13:20:50 GMT -5
That's what he did in College though. I watched everyone of his games, well highlights of every game his sophomore year. It's why I had doubts on him, he didn't do things other great shooters did. He sat in the corner shooting open three's. Guys like Tyler Herro did so much more when I watched his tape. I don't see the Celtics using him wrong, he's just a very raw player that needs to be taught almost everything. Herro is like Tatum a crazy advanced young player, Nesmith might be a great shooter, yet he doesn't have the skills needed to use it right now. He wasn't using screens like a Ray Allen and he almost never created jump shots off the dribble in College. I'd say the bigger issue is not getting him more open looks because their team ball comes and goes this year. I watch Nesmith and I watch Bagley, for me it's clear Bagley has the higher upside. Not many big guys can do what he can. In theory he's perfect for Stevens offense. Yeah I’m not sure. I don’t think he’s Tyler Herro. But in this game he had 12 made field goals and they were all off of the bounce or motion. I just watched highlights of his best games in the NBA and the Celtics have done those things for him. He's raw, he doesn't even pick the right angles when guys drive so they can kick it back out to him all the time. He can't drive in the NBA like he did in that video against much smaller players. He's trying to find his way going from shooting too much, to not shooting enough. It's going to take time, unless you're blaming the Celtics for not force feeding him shots and that seems kinda crazy. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2021 13:26:52 GMT -5
Let’s make predictions:
I predict they don’t make a trade but “were really close” on several.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 24, 2021 13:52:50 GMT -5
Yeah I’m not sure. I don’t think he’s Tyler Herro. But in this game he had 12 made field goals and they were all off of the bounce or motion. I just watched highlights of his best games in the NBA and the Celtics have done those things for him. He's raw, he doesn't even pick the right angles when guys drive so they can kick it back out to him all the time. He can't drive in the NBA like he did in that video against much smaller players. He's trying to find his way going from shooting too much, to not shooting enough. It's going to take time, unless you're blaming the Celtics for not force feeding him shots and that seems kinda crazy. Exactly, you watched his best highlights in the NBA, in which the Celtics got him the ball off motion. Typically, he stands in the corner and watches the Jay show or Kemba try to get hot. Edit: this offense is the problem. I also didn’t love the pick, but that was because I didn’t feel we had enough creation/playmaking while all the Boston fans were screaming for wing shooting. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2021 14:21:08 GMT -5
I just watched highlights of his best games in the NBA and the Celtics have done those things for him. He's raw, he doesn't even pick the right angles when guys drive so they can kick it back out to him all the time. He can't drive in the NBA like he did in that video against much smaller players. He's trying to find his way going from shooting too much, to not shooting enough. It's going to take time, unless you're blaming the Celtics for not force feeding him shots and that seems kinda crazy. Exactly, you watched his best highlights in the NBA, in which the Celtics got him the ball off motion. Typically, he stands in the corner and watches the Jay show or Kemba try to get hot. Edit: this offense is the problem. I also didn’t love the pick, but that was because I didn’t feel we had enough creation/playmaking while all the Boston fans were screaming for wing shooting. It's why I wanted Cole Anthony in the draft, it's why I'm targeting Ball and Graham as PG. The ball movement comes and goes this year. I do think a big part of that is playing two bigs, Grant Williams/Semi and a bunch of rookies though. Watch how he stands in the corner compared to other players and you see why he's raw. He's still learning to adjust when guys drive to give them the angle to get him wide open three's. Go watch some tape of Bane versus him and you'll see why I liked Bane more. Much more complete player that could do a bunch of stuff Nesmith can't. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 24, 2021 14:23:36 GMT -5
Joe Vardon (Athletic) said that it seems Ball might be getting used as "a reward" for any team willing to take on Adams or Bledsoe.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 24, 2021 14:45:37 GMT -5
Joe Vardon (Athletic) said that it seems Ball might be getting used as "a reward" for any team willing to take on Adams or Bledsoe. But umass told me Adams was super useful! Let’s make predictions: I predict they don’t make a trade but “were really close” on several. If they do that, it means Danny doesn't believe in this core and is ready to punt the season. It wasn't the case in the past, but it IS the case now. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2021 14:51:46 GMT -5
Joe Vardon (Athletic) said that it seems Ball might be getting used as "a reward" for any team willing to take on Adams or Bledsoe. Give me Adams and his crap contract with Ball for Thompson and let’s call it a day. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 24, 2021 14:57:58 GMT -5
Adams is a solid player and the pelicans are at least better when he’s on the floor, can’t say the same thing about Bledsoe. He’s had an atrocious year
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Post by texs31 on Mar 24, 2021 15:01:18 GMT -5
I'm probably getting this wrong but I don't know if C's could do it. Since Adams makes more than the TPE, they'd need to salary match (use the TPE on Ball) and his 29M (or 24 I guess???) would be tough to match.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2021 15:32:32 GMT -5
I'm probably getting this wrong but I don't know if C's could do it. Since Adams makes more than the TPE, they'd need to salary match (use the TPE on Ball) and his 29M (or 24 I guess???) would be tough to match. He makes 29m? You sure about that? I see 27.58m this year then 2/35m after. That being said that 27.58 is more than i expected - i don’t think I’d want that deal. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2021 15:33:02 GMT -5
Also; aren’t the Celtics hard capped this year?
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