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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 25, 2021 11:59:43 GMT -5
So Denver must see Harris as a positive which means Boston would've had to include Smart to match/beat. No thanks. I don't see how any team sees Harris as a positive at $20 million next year. If the Magic look at it that way, well that's why they are the Magic. Either the young player we offered was Grant Williams or the Magic love Hampton. Yet that's also a weird fit with Fultz and Anthony. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 25, 2021 12:01:53 GMT -5
If the Magic look at it that way, well that's why they are the Magic. I think you solved the riddle here. Bad trade for the Magic. |
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Post by dyoungteach on Mar 25, 2021 12:14:36 GMT -5
I know nothing is done yet BUT Danny ainge could be a huge issue. That’s just not enough. And this team is horrible right now. And I see it imploding before improving if it continues down this path. I’ll say again. If your going to draft like ainge has. Might as well trade the firsts
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 25, 2021 12:22:30 GMT -5
Fournier for two seconds isn't bad. They needed a scoring upgrade and he allows you different lineup options. At the same time it's not great either and doesn't come close to fixing everything. The acquisition cost isn’t the problem - this deal hinges on Danny getting under the Tax line - if they have to pay the tax this year and end up as repeaters a year earlier then this is a bad add. Well Danny shouldn't be done and the luxury tax issues aren't going away anytime soon. They did the same thing in 2018/2019, went just over when they could have easily got under. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 25, 2021 12:59:26 GMT -5
Can’t wait to turn Fournier into a TPE this offseason
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2021 13:07:13 GMT -5
Can’t wait to turn Fournier into a TPE this offseason They won’t be able to when Tatum’s extension kicks in. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2021 13:07:38 GMT -5
I know nothing is done yet BUT Danny ainge could be a huge issue. That’s just not enough. And this team is horrible right now. And I see it imploding before improving if it continues down this path. I’ll say again. If your going to draft like ainge has. Might as well trade the firsts This guy... |
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Post by mobaz on Mar 25, 2021 13:16:53 GMT -5
Using our most important asset to add Expiring Evan Fournier is a problem. I honestly don't see how this team gets better.
Also fully agree that Orlando getting RJ Hampton when they already have Fultz/Anthony is something. Don't think you want all 3 long term.
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Post by cdj on Mar 25, 2021 13:30:21 GMT -5
Using our most important asset to add Expiring Evan Fournier is a problem. I honestly don't see how this team gets better. Also fully agree that Orlando getting RJ Hampton when they already have Fultz/Anthony is something. Don't think you want all 3 long term. Well they definitely got better, it’s just a matter of whether or not they got good enough to get out of the first round. That’s highly debatable |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2021 13:38:47 GMT -5
My assessment is basically this:
I came in to today prepared for a bad value trade (ie an overpay) but 1 that puts the roster in a good spot for the present (a little) and the future.
Instead, we got a good value trade (teams have given up 1sts for Fournier type acquisitions) but not loving where we are. Despite thinking they are decent returns for their respective spots in the lottery, Nesmith and Langford are going to continue to decrease in value bc they'll be losing playing time to Fournier (at least for this year).
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2021 14:06:11 GMT -5
A Mo Wagner for Daniel Theis deal is in the works
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Post by cdj on Mar 25, 2021 14:32:21 GMT -5
Theis, teague, and green are moving out
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2021 14:44:29 GMT -5
Murphy now saying deal is a 3-Team deal with Luke Kornet coming from Chicago as well?
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2021 15:01:25 GMT -5
I need to see how the deals shake out and the affect on the TPE. My hope is this cleans up the rotation.
Does Fournier start?
No more 2 big lineups right?
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 25, 2021 15:03:18 GMT -5
Hey Wagner isn't too bad on defense, he can get some run out there. I know this trade was done for salary cap purposes, but it's actually not that stupid.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 25, 2021 15:13:32 GMT -5
There has to be a pick coming with Wagner, at minimum one of those 2nd round pick swaps the Bulls have.
You have to think Smart now goes to the bench to be the backup PG given how they've used Pritchard.
Wagner has killer per 36 numbers, everything is surprising about him because he was a shooting big man that hasn't shot well. Yet per 36 minutes 17.1 points, 7 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 2.1 steals and .8 blocks with five FT attempts. If he was actually shooting the three ball well I'd be crazy intrigued.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 25, 2021 15:13:42 GMT -5
Hey Wagner isn't too bad on defense, he can get some run out there. I know this trade was done for salary cap purposes, but it's actually not that stupid. Wagner is in his 3rd year but looks like his Team option for 4th was declined. Does that mean the Celts will have some sort of Bird rights? I'm getting lost at the top of the cap (i.e. will they get hard capped and thus not be able to exercise Bird, or else does it not apply to a rookie contract with option declined? |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2021 15:16:05 GMT -5
Bird Rights on Wagner
Only get Hard Capped if
a) They are on the receiving end of a Sign-and-Trade
b) Use an exception that pins them at the apron (like with TT).
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 25, 2021 15:17:46 GMT -5
Wagner is in his 3rd year but looks like his Team option for 4th was declined. Does that mean the Celts will have some sort of Bird rights? I'm getting lost at the top of the cap (i.e. will they get hard capped and thus not be able to exercise Bird, or else does it not apply to a rookie contract with option declined? I'm not sure we can get too attached to Mo lol, I think he'll stay only as a "big man to throw at Embiid". He's decent though, better than not getting anything at all for Theis. And he might be the tallest guy Danny traded for since KG! |
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Post by dangermike on Mar 25, 2021 15:27:31 GMT -5
this feels like a big step backwards
second round picks don’t matter til we don’t have them to throw in deals that actually help us. i fully don’t get what we just did. like at all. someone please explain how this is better than doing nothing.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2021 15:53:20 GMT -5
this feels like a big step backwards second round picks don’t matter til we don’t have them to throw in deals that actually help us. i fully don’t get what we just did. like at all. someone please explain how this is better than doing nothing. I’ll circle back to you after I see how much of the TPE they have left once the details shake out. I feel like it’s pretty obvious how a scorer like Fournier helps the team tho and how opening up minutes for Williams is a good thing. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2021 15:57:20 GMT -5
S/B around 11 right?
Plus the ability to generate another large 1 if Fournier leaves as a free agent (granted, that'll probably have an additional cost in the form of picks)
Edit - Though I guess if Boston would have to get something back from Orlando if they need to construct it as separate deals.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 25, 2021 16:01:01 GMT -5
Oh make no mistake, this is not a step back. Fournier is not a great defender, but he'll be able to provide what Hayward gave us last season. Just a tad worse on defense, but then again that's as good as you can hope to get for a couple of 2nd rounders. This is not too unlike going from Kyrie to Kemba (at the time), you get a substitute that's not as good, but close enough. Losing Theis sucks, he's a really really good defender, but he probably wasn't going to stay and we have the big ticket center. Timelord is that guy. He flat out needs to play more and close games.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2021 16:14:43 GMT -5
S/B around 11 right? Plus the ability to generate another large 1 if Fournier leaves as a free agent (granted, that'll probably have an additional cost in the form of picks) Edit - Though I guess if Boston would have to get something back from Orlando if they need to construct it as separate deals. Could be more because of the other contracts going out. Celtics won’t be able to do a sign and trade next offseason because that hard caps you and with Tatum’s extension they will be over the hard cap. They need to extend Fournier now. At least I’m 90% sure that’s the deal. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 25, 2021 16:21:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how that would work. I thought the only way to construct this would be separate deals (since you can't use both the TPE and player's outgoing salary) but then there would need to be something else coming back from Orlando (a conditional 2nd that never meets the condition). But that hasn't been reported so I don't know how it works.
C's wouldn't be hard-capped bc they aren't the ones receiving the signed FA. Only his new team would. We weren't hard-capped bc of the Hayward S-and-T. We were hard-capped bc of TT's signing.
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