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cdj
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Post by cdj on Apr 15, 2021 22:45:41 GMT -5
I like Langford and think he will be fine but damn are they bad when he’s on the court at the moment
Also Jaylen is sensational
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Post by cdj on Apr 15, 2021 23:30:55 GMT -5
Good win
Langford erased his pretty heavy minus score in the second half. The end of the bench was god awful
Mo Wagner with a -20 in 5 min sheeeeeeeesh
Jaylen balled out
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 15, 2021 23:44:27 GMT -5
WORST GARBAGE SQUAD EVER!
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Post by ianrs on Apr 16, 2021 0:14:22 GMT -5
Jaylen carried today but wow that was a pretty big indictment of the end of the bench we were starting some of them + Teague before no wonder we are midpack. Mo Wagner looked worse than G league level.
Getting Fournier and Timelord healthy will be huge for the stretch.
I think Romeo is forcing it and out of rhythm offensively but it's understandable. I think he still has underrated value as a 1-4 playoff defender in high energy 15-20mins a game.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2021 5:41:04 GMT -5
R Williams not playing tonight due to knee pain and Tatum revealing he is just now feeling 100% along with saying he has been using an inhaler before games are good examples of people not knowing all the facts and posting negative comments. That was an epic run on sentence violation. Stevens eludes to managing Williams minutes all the time but people still vilify him for not playing him more. And that information on Tatum is revealing and also very encouraging for the future. True, and Tatum has been saying for months he wasn’t 100%... I’ve been saying that here based on his comments. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2021 10:39:18 GMT -5
R Williams not playing tonight due to knee pain and Tatum revealing he is just now feeling 100% along with saying he has been using an inhaler before games are good examples of people not knowing all the facts and posting negative comments. That was an epic run on sentence violation. Stevens eludes to managing Williams minutes all the time but people still vilify him for not playing him more. And that information on Tatum is revealing and also very encouraging for the future. Please explain how Robert Williams missing a game justifies Stevens? He's a center in the NBA, he's going to miss some games. You don't play Robert Williams you won't get him ready for the playoffs. What am I missing, is Robert Williams out long-term? If you want to talk Steven's, he's justified with Robert Williams because he missed a game OMG. Yet Tatum is so unhealthy yet playing a career high in minutes during a season where you play more games on short rest. Please explain that to me. You some how see this as a positive for Steven's, I don't. If you buy the narrative the Tatum has massive Covid issues, why aren't they resting him more? Why isn't the training staff or the coach saying he shouldn't be playing a career high of minutes? I just can't wrap my head around your thought process. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2021 11:14:57 GMT -5
R Williams not playing tonight due to knee pain and Tatum revealing he is just now feeling 100% along with saying he has been using an inhaler before games are good examples of people not knowing all the facts and posting negative comments. That was an epic run on sentence violation. Stevens eludes to managing Williams minutes all the time but people still vilify him for not playing him more. And that information on Tatum is revealing and also very encouraging for the future. Please explain how Robert Williams missing a game justifies Stevens? He's a center in the NBA, he's going to miss some games. You don't play Robert Williams you won't get him ready for the playoffs. What am I missing, is Robert Williams out long-term? If you want to talk Steven's, he's justified with Robert Williams because he missed a game OMG. Yet Tatum is so unhealthy yet playing a career high in minutes during a season where you play more games on short rest. Please explain that to me. You some how see this as a positive for Steven's, I don't. If you buy the narrative the Tatum has massive Covid issues, why aren't they resting him more? Why isn't the training staff or the coach saying he shouldn't be playing a career high of minutes? I just can't wrap my head around your thought process. Tatum playing fatigued is still better than your other options and they don’t feel they are making things worse by playing. It’s a fairly simple reasoning. No one is saying Tatum is unhealthy just energy levels are affected- that’s a big difference. I don’t think a sore knee tells much about Williams but the question remains on how durable he can be. If you’re missing more than 10 games a year (even that’s pushing it) that’s quite a bit. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2021 12:54:36 GMT -5
Please explain how Robert Williams missing a game justifies Stevens? He's a center in the NBA, he's going to miss some games. You don't play Robert Williams you won't get him ready for the playoffs. What am I missing, is Robert Williams out long-term? If you want to talk Steven's, he's justified with Robert Williams because he missed a game OMG. Yet Tatum is so unhealthy yet playing a career high in minutes during a season where you play more games on short rest. Please explain that to me. You some how see this as a positive for Steven's, I don't. If you buy the narrative the Tatum has massive Covid issues, why aren't they resting him more? Why isn't the training staff or the coach saying he shouldn't be playing a career high of minutes? I just can't wrap my head around your thought process. Tatum playing fatigued is still better than your other options and they don’t feel they are making things worse by playing. It’s a fairly simple reasoning. No one is saying Tatum is unhealthy just energy levels are affected- that’s a big difference. I don’t think a sore knee tells much about Williams but the question remains on how durable he can be. If you’re missing more than 10 games a year (even that’s pushing it) that’s quite a bit. Horford missed over ten games a year over his three years here. Thompson has played 53, 43 and 57 the three years before this year. Theis played in 65/72 games last year. Bigs get beat up and will miss games. If you get more than 72 games from a center that's crazy good. So far Robert Williams has played in 47/52 games not counting the Covid missed games. Even then those weren't all injuries, some were he was simply sick. Since his minutes ramped up this is the first game he's missed to a minor injury. He's on pace to player a higher percentage of games than Embiid ever has in his entire career. Should we limit Smarts minutes because he always gets hurt? Robert Williams was healthy for the 31 games to end last year, that's healthy for 78/83 of our last games. Those are the facts and darn impressive numbers for a big. As far as Tatum the not having better options thing doesn't fly. The this isn't really that bad explains it better. Tatum was 98% so there was no worries. I still hate how he's used this. Bad games and teams losing he brings up Covid, good game and teams winning I'm about over Covid. I have zero issues with players talking about Covid, I do have issues when a player uses it as an excuse when much more was going on. It's like no two big lineups, Tatum going to PF, team getting healthy and playing team ball has helped Tatum's Covid. Funny how that works. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 16, 2021 15:07:34 GMT -5
R Williams not playing tonight due to knee pain and Tatum revealing he is just now feeling 100% along with saying he has been using an inhaler before games are good examples of people not knowing all the facts and posting negative comments. That was an epic run on sentence violation. Stevens eludes to managing Williams minutes all the time but people still vilify him for not playing him more. And that information on Tatum is revealing and also very encouraging for the future. Please explain how Robert Williams missing a game justifies Stevens? He's a center in the NBA, he's going to miss some games. You don't play Robert Williams you won't get him ready for the playoffs. What am I missing, is Robert Williams out long-term? If you want to talk Steven's, he's justified with Robert Williams because he missed a game OMG. Yet Tatum is so unhealthy yet playing a career high in minutes during a season where you play more games on short rest. Please explain that to me. You some how see this as a positive for Steven's, I don't. If you buy the narrative the Tatum has massive Covid issues, why aren't they resting him more? Why isn't the training staff or the coach saying he shouldn't be playing a career high of minutes? I just can't wrap my head around your thought process. Come down off the ledge I think you misinterpreted what I was saying a bit. Let me explain in simple terms. People are always blasting Stevens to play Williams more, which we would all like, but he knows more than us about what Williams can handle. Hence sitting out a game is evidence of Stevens maintenance plan with him. So stop ragging on the subject and questioning the coach when he knows more than you. In regards to Tatum some have been questioning him, including Perk. While at the same time I don't think people realized that he still wasn't 100%. Thus why I thought it was good information and that if this is him at less than 100% then that is good news. Wouldn't you say? edit. I mean really, you don't think Brad would like to play Timelord more? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2021 16:44:23 GMT -5
Please explain how Robert Williams missing a game justifies Stevens? He's a center in the NBA, he's going to miss some games. You don't play Robert Williams you won't get him ready for the playoffs. What am I missing, is Robert Williams out long-term? If you want to talk Steven's, he's justified with Robert Williams because he missed a game OMG. Yet Tatum is so unhealthy yet playing a career high in minutes during a season where you play more games on short rest. Please explain that to me. You some how see this as a positive for Steven's, I don't. If you buy the narrative the Tatum has massive Covid issues, why aren't they resting him more? Why isn't the training staff or the coach saying he shouldn't be playing a career high of minutes? I just can't wrap my head around your thought process. Come down off the ledge I think you misinterpreted what I was saying a bit. Let me explain in simple terms. People are always blasting Stevens to play Williams more, which we would all like, but he knows more than us about what Williams can handle. Hence sitting out a game is evidence of Stevens maintenance plan with him. So stop ragging on the subject and questioning the coach when he knows more than you. In regards to Tatum some have been questioning him, including Perk. While at the same time I don't think people realized that he still wasn't 100%. Thus why I thought it was good information and that if this is him at less than 100% then that is good news. Wouldn't you say? edit. I mean really, you don't think Brad would like to play Timelord more?
I don't have an issues with any of that, Tatum needed to hear that. I've never worried about Tatum and Covid, it was the way he was playing. Which Stevens also deserves blame because he started it. You can't tell me you love Tatum's body language when he doesn't get a call, it was horrible.
A bunch of us complained about Robert Williams minutes when he was getting 15, while Thompson/Theis got much more. I have zero complaints the last ten games, that's about what you want.
I don't call Robert Williams missing a game with a sore knee a maintenance plan. Every team does that, with every player. Kemba Walker is on a maintenance plan, he misses x amount of games no matter how he feels. They aren't doing that with Williams.
My honest opinion is Stevens wanted to play Theis/Thompson over Williams because they are veterans. So Danny fixed that problem, which isn't a great look for Steven's. Yet that was Danny's way to force Steven's to start Williams and give him big minutes. So our GM doesn't seem too worried about Robert Williams durability.
I actually think all of this makes Steven's look worse and kinda highlights his issues as a coach.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 16, 2021 16:49:25 GMT -5
Kemba is on a plan because we know he’s hurt and can’t last a season anymore.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 16, 2021 16:52:17 GMT -5
My honest opinion is Stevens wanted to play Theis/Thompson over Williams because they are veterans. So Danny fixed that problem, which isn't a great look for Steven's. Yet that was Danny's way to force Steven's to start Williams and give him big minutes. So our GM doesn't seem too worried about Robert Williams durability. Nice fanfic you got going there bro. I'm pretty sure that's why Danny did that trade and not to get back under the tax threshold. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 16, 2021 20:03:11 GMT -5
Raise your hands if you saw the Celtics waiving Wagner and signing Jabari Parker.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 16, 2021 20:24:17 GMT -5
Raise your hands if you saw the Celtics waiving Wagner and signing Jabari Parker. This move has a lot of upside with really no downside and could make them very tough in the playoffs if you have Fournier and Parker off the bench. Certainly didn't see it coming. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 16, 2021 21:21:50 GMT -5
Raise your hands if you saw the Celtics waiving Wagner and signing Jabari Parker. This move has a lot of upside with really no downside and could make them very tough in the playoffs if you have Fournier and Parker off the bench. Certainly didn't see it coming. He's in theory a very situationally useful player. We have a lot of good defense, no offense guys. Grant, Romeo, Semi. Jabari adds a guy that could play in those line-ups or if he's really a bust on defense, just put him in your "just outscore fools" line-up. And let's be honest, Mo looked like he didn't know how to play basketball lol. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 16, 2021 22:18:12 GMT -5
Romeo will start scoring at some point and Nesmith also. Those guys were the scorers on every team they played for previously and offense is what got them drafted.
Makes for a solid bench and very tough 8.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2021 22:36:25 GMT -5
My honest opinion is Stevens wanted to play Theis/Thompson over Williams because they are veterans. So Danny fixed that problem, which isn't a great look for Steven's. Yet that was Danny's way to force Steven's to start Williams and give him big minutes. So our GM doesn't seem too worried about Robert Williams durability. Nice fanfic you got going there bro. I'm pretty sure that's why Danny did that trade and not to get back under the tax threshold. That isn't a Danny Ainge quote talking about a bigger role for Robert Williams? The minute he included Teague in the Fournier trade he had many more options to get under. He didn't have to trade Theis. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2021 22:48:43 GMT -5
As far as Parker on paper it's perfect. A scoring PF to take Grant Williams and Semi minutes when needed. He’s a very skilled scorer. Yet everything I've seen is an anti team player that plays no D. So he has to buy in, maybe he's finally ready to do that.
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Post by cdj on Apr 16, 2021 23:08:50 GMT -5
I mean it’s pretty clear the main knock on Williams is his durability, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think they were managing his minutes early in the season.
As far as Jabari for Mo, super weird move I didn’t see coming but I dig it. Jabari plays negative infinity defense but he can score off the bench. Hopefully the rest of the bench unit complements him well if he carves out a regular role. He should be able to get a lot of shots up so he will like that
Mo kinda sucked
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 17, 2021 0:02:32 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 17, 2021 3:38:29 GMT -5
Given Theis/Green for Wagner/Kornet saved you 2.1 million. If you keep Thompson and the young guys you want, Grant Williams or any combo of two of Green, Semi and Edwards. It would have been rather easy. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 17, 2021 6:19:48 GMT -5
As far as Parker on paper it's perfect. A scoring PF to take Grant Williams and Semi minutes when needed. He’s a very skilled scorer. Yet everything I've seen is an anti team player that plays no D. So he has to buy in, maybe he's finally ready to do that. This is exactly it, is he ready to buy in? It seems like he has been around forever yet he is only 25. At some point he needs to buy in or he will have a shortened career, the C's are team #6 in 3 years. Maybe the C's will be the team that gets him to be a team player, Stevens has a great track record of getting the best out of guys. I like the 2 years, hopefully he can stay healthy. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 17, 2021 10:48:12 GMT -5
As far as Parker on paper it's perfect. A scoring PF to take Grant Williams and Semi minutes when needed. He’s a very skilled scorer. Yet everything I've seen is an anti team player that plays no D. So he has to buy in, maybe he's finally ready to do that. This is exactly it, is he ready to buy in? It seems like he has been around forever yet he is only 25. At some point he needs to buy in or he will have a shortened career, the C's are team #6 in 3 years. Maybe the C's will be the team that gets him to be a team player, Stevens has a great track record of getting the best out of guys. I like the 2 years, hopefully he can stay healthy. I can almost guarantee the second year is either a team option or fully non-guaranteed. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 17, 2021 11:00:45 GMT -5
I’m watching Tomek’s 31-3 run video from a couple games ago against Denver but I love seeing Grant have some words for Jamychal Green after an excessive foul on Langford
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Apr 17, 2021 12:18:10 GMT -5
Come down off the ledge I think you misinterpreted what I was saying a bit. Let me explain in simple terms. People are always blasting Stevens to play Williams more, which we would all like, but he knows more than us about what Williams can handle. Hence sitting out a game is evidence of Stevens maintenance plan with him. So stop ragging on the subject and questioning the coach when he knows more than you. In regards to Tatum some have been questioning him, including Perk. While at the same time I don't think people realized that he still wasn't 100%. Thus why I thought it was good information and that if this is him at less than 100% then that is good news. Wouldn't you say? edit. I mean really, you don't think Brad would like to play Timelord more?
I don't have an issues with any of that, Tatum needed to hear that. I've never worried about Tatum and Covid, it was the way he was playing. Which Stevens also deserves blame because he started it. You can't tell me you love Tatum's body language when he doesn't get a call, it was horrible.
A bunch of us complained about Robert Williams minutes when he was getting 15, while Thompson/Theis got much more. I have zero complaints the last ten games, that's about what you want.
I don't call Robert Williams missing a game with a sore knee a maintenance plan. Every team does that, with every player. Kemba Walker is on a maintenance plan, he misses x amount of games no matter how he feels. They aren't doing that with Williams.
My honest opinion is Stevens wanted to play Theis/Thompson over Williams because they are veterans. So Danny fixed that problem, which isn't a great look for Steven's. Yet that was Danny's way to force Steven's to start Williams and give him big minutes. So our GM doesn't seem too worried about Robert Williams durability.
I actually think all of this makes Steven's look worse and kinda highlights his issues as a coach.
Regarding Timelord, can't the simplest explanation be the more likely one or occam's razor. William's improved play allowed Danny to trade Theis. There is no one to blame nor is there even a blame situation here but merely a natural progression. |
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