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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 28, 2021 10:41:00 GMT -5
The comments after a game like last night are always amusing. “We have no depth”... we were missing 3 starters. Three. Are you expecting 3 starter types to step in for them then 3 other strong bench guys to fill in after that? “Fournier is a bust” - the guy looked good after a hectic start here, then got CoVID and missed a ton of time and is still recovering while learning his teammate who he can never be on the court with because NONE of them are healthy. Listen; this year has sucked, Danny didn’t have a great offseason and there are issues, but the reality is they can’t get a rhythm when guys aren’t available all the time. Amusing is better than annoying, I am going to give that a shot. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2021 12:16:08 GMT -5
I heard talk today about fluid not draining out of Williams knee. You don’t miss 7 games because you are simply sore. You have a link? That makes zero sense and doesn't match what Steven's, Danny and the injury report has said. They talked knee fluid once, then it was knee soreness everytime after that. I've had my knees drained more times than I care to even count. If your coach wants you 100% pain free, yeah actually it could take a few weeks. Yet most teams don't set that condition, guys come back when there 95% all the time. They would give me oxycodone pill every time I had it done, just to give you an example of the pain. No it was not an article. So they mentioned fluid before but haven’t since so it makes no sense fluid is still an issue. He has no durability concerns, just normal big man stuff, but they just happen to want him and no one else to be 100% before being on the court? And that makes sense? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 28, 2021 13:55:59 GMT -5
“Fournier is a bust” - the guy looked good after a hectic start here, then got CoVID and missed a ton of time and is still recovering while learning his teammate who he can never be on the court with because NONE of them are healthy. I didn't say he was a bust, I said has has been a bust. And he has. The fact that it happened due to health issues and not talent issues doesn't change the fact that his tenure with the Celtics has been a bust. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 28, 2021 14:15:09 GMT -5
You have a link? That makes zero sense and doesn't match what Steven's, Danny and the injury report has said. They talked knee fluid once, then it was knee soreness everytime after that. I've had my knees drained more times than I care to even count. If your coach wants you 100% pain free, yeah actually it could take a few weeks. Yet most teams don't set that condition, guys come back when there 95% all the time. They would give me oxycodone pill every time I had it done, just to give you an example of the pain. No it was not an article. So they mentioned fluid before but haven’t since so it makes no sense fluid is still an issue. He has no durability concerns, just normal big man stuff, but they just happen to want him and no one else to be 100% before being on the court? And that makes sense? "Fluid not draining out of a knee" makes no sense. That is implying they are trying to drain his knee and can't. Sounds like the person has no clue what they are talking about. Yeah when you add in the many recent comments by Steven's and Danny about how he's been getting better for the last 3-4 games he missed, just not fully ready yet and they won't let him come back without practicing first. You need to know what happened and what treatment plan they used. I've been to so many doctors and they all have there own way. Some drain it right away, others use Pills, others give Cortisone shots, heck if it was just a bruise with swelling they could had just had him ice it. Recovery time is different for everyone of those treatments. I don't think it's just him, look who's missing games since Steven's made that comment, almost everyone. It kinda clear they want 100%, the normal stuff guys play through gets them a day off right now. It might be the smart play, yet it's more about the team than the players. If it was the playoffs Robert Williams would have been back much sooner. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 28, 2021 15:06:49 GMT -5
As I have said before, this whole Timelord thing just shows that he has underlying issues that have kept him off the floor and made it difficult to coach and get all the minutes you would expect from a 23 year old. Maintenance at this level from the beginning of his career is for 33 year olds not 23, really too bad because he can be dominant when healthy. Hope he can overcome what has been holding him back and I would love to see some vintage Timelord in the playoffs, he can be a difference maker. As we have seen.
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Post by ianrs on Apr 28, 2021 16:43:10 GMT -5
Smart suspended a game, can't make this up lol
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 28, 2021 20:50:03 GMT -5
You’d think Brown and Tatum might want to her Nesmith some touches with the way he’s busting his ass.
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Post by cdj on Apr 28, 2021 21:33:39 GMT -5
Good game from Nesmith, that’s a nice development
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Apr 28, 2021 22:01:45 GMT -5
And on the other end of the spectrum; if their top 8 could all stay healthy and play together for a few weeks they could surprise in the playoffs. Any other response and honestly I don't respect their opinion of the 2021 Celtics. Between Covid-19 and injuries they've lost more games to injuries than anyone and many nights nights it's 2 or 3 starters out, and if anyone thinks it's an excuse then they simply don't understand the game. Any complaint or reason why they can't go far is trumped by the point of how little cohesion the team has had nor have they been afforded the opportunity due to injuries and time missed due to Covid. All the teams doing well have been among the least affected as well. I have no idea how they will do mainly because of the reasons I stated above. All I know is they have considable talent and I wouldn't bet against them if they are healthy, but will they have enough time to jell? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 28, 2021 23:59:22 GMT -5
The Suns are back in the playoffs! I have a real soft spot for that franchise because 7SOL era Phoenix was flat out the most sheer fun I ever had watching a basketball team. They could be a tough out.
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Post by ianrs on Apr 29, 2021 1:19:08 GMT -5
Can't say enough about how Tatum and Brown have stepped up this season despite being banged up and Tatum getting COVID. I think we'll go as far as Tatum and Brown take us at the end of the day. If Tatum is a triple double machine in the playoffs w efficiency we can go far.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 29, 2021 7:57:56 GMT -5
Nesmith played well last night and it was nice to see Brad stick with him the entire 4th quarter.
As they mentioned on the broadcast, I’m surprised at how explosive he is athletically.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 29, 2021 9:29:14 GMT -5
Nesmith has it. Not once all year have I seen any negative body language from him. Just confident energy every single time he has gotten in to the game. I know there is fatigue to be factored in, but if Tatum and Brown played as selflessly as this kid on both sides of the ball, Celtics would be finals contenders.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 29, 2021 9:35:03 GMT -5
I'll praise Steven's for shortening the rotation, something he refuses to do in so many games and something I think he should do more of. Yet I'm kinda pissed he starts Waters. I get it, yet I want Pritchard playing 35-40 minutes on nights like this. He's the third guard, what you going to play Waters over him in the playoffs? Pritchard got that one start and since then nothing. It's just a missed opportunity to develop him as a point guard. I wanna see more of the guy we saw to start the season, driving to the rim. It's kinda scary with Smart and Walker as injury/suspension risks and Stevens not trusting Pritchard. He's not your average rookie, he's crazy advanced for a rookie unleash him. I don't envision this is what Danny wanted when he traded Teague. Yeah it's nitpicking one game, yet apply this over a full season and you've waisted a bunch of opportunities to get Pritchard ready as a PG, his natural position.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 29, 2021 10:41:48 GMT -5
I'll praise Steven's for shortening the rotation, something he refuses to do in so many games and something I think he should do more of. Yet I'm kinda pissed he starts Waters. I get it, yet I want Pritchard playing 35-40 minutes on nights like this. He's the third guard, what you going to play Waters over him in the playoffs? Pritchard got that one start and since then nothing. It's just a missed opportunity to develop him as a point guard. I wanna see more of the guy we saw to start the season, driving to the rim. It's kinda scary with Smart and Walker as injury/suspension risks and Stevens not trusting Pritchard. He's not your average rookie, he's crazy advanced for a rookie unleash him. I don't envision this is what Danny wanted when he traded Teague. Yeah it's nitpicking one game, yet apply this over a full season and you've waisted a bunch of opportunities to get Pritchard ready as a PG, his natural position. Agreed, as you know I don't criticize BS much but some of the decisions are headscratchers. Great point, is Waters going to see a single meaningful minute in the playoffs? Is BS doing it just in case we need him due to Kemba needing a night off? I don't see it and if the C's do need him then the playoffs are pretty much over. Imagine Chris Paul on this team? Someone here said PP was more of a shooting guard, I don't agree, it is a matter of usage. I can see him being on the ball a lot more in the future, mainly pushing it. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 29, 2021 10:47:51 GMT -5
I gotta be honest I do like Waters as a future backup PG
Definitely get where you guys are coming from though and I agree
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 29, 2021 11:26:48 GMT -5
I'll praise Steven's for shortening the rotation, something he refuses to do in so many games and something I think he should do more of. Yet I'm kinda pissed he starts Waters. I get it, yet I want Pritchard playing 35-40 minutes on nights like this. He's the third guard, what you going to play Waters over him in the playoffs? Pritchard got that one start and since then nothing. It's just a missed opportunity to develop him as a point guard. I wanna see more of the guy we saw to start the season, driving to the rim. It's kinda scary with Smart and Walker as injury/suspension risks and Stevens not trusting Pritchard. He's not your average rookie, he's crazy advanced for a rookie unleash him. I don't envision this is what Danny wanted when he traded Teague. Yeah it's nitpicking one game, yet apply this over a full season and you've waisted a bunch of opportunities to get Pritchard ready as a PG, his natural position. I think you are looking at it wrong. Pritchard played PG when he was in and the minutes would have been close to 35 minutes if he didn’t get knocked out with the nose bleed that wouldn’t stop. By starting Waters it allowed you to stagger guys better rather than having to have Waters in there with the second unit. They were hiding Waters by starting him - it had nothing to do with not trusting Pritchard. Who starts is meaningless - Pritchard was on the floor at crunch time and like I said he missed 5 minutes in the 4th because of the bloody nose. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 29, 2021 12:39:40 GMT -5
I'll praise Steven's for shortening the rotation, something he refuses to do in so many games and something I think he should do more of. Yet I'm kinda pissed he starts Waters. I get it, yet I want Pritchard playing 35-40 minutes on nights like this. He's the third guard, what you going to play Waters over him in the playoffs? Pritchard got that one start and since then nothing. It's just a missed opportunity to develop him as a point guard. I wanna see more of the guy we saw to start the season, driving to the rim. It's kinda scary with Smart and Walker as injury/suspension risks and Stevens not trusting Pritchard. He's not your average rookie, he's crazy advanced for a rookie unleash him. I don't envision this is what Danny wanted when he traded Teague. Yeah it's nitpicking one game, yet apply this over a full season and you've waisted a bunch of opportunities to get Pritchard ready as a PG, his natural position. I think you are looking at it wrong. Pritchard played PG when he was in and the minutes would have been close to 35 minutes if he didn’t get knocked out with the nose bleed that wouldn’t stop. By starting Waters it allowed you to stagger guys better rather than having to have Waters in there with the second unit. They were hiding Waters by starting him - it had nothing to do with not trusting Pritchard. Who starts is meaningless - Pritchard was on the floor at crunch time and like I said he missed 5 minutes in the 4th because of the bloody nose. Like I said, I get it, I understand why he did it and one game is likely nitpicking, yet he's done it all year with Pritchard. He'll go crazy extreme having Tatum run the offense when Pritchard plays all the time. He's treated him as a SG more than a true PG all year basically. I want Pritchard getting as many minutes playing PG with the starters against starters as I can get. I want to get this team ready for the playoffs. I like Water's a ton actually, yet it's two late to get him ready for the playoffs. It's one thing to use your whole roster when it's full of veterans, it's another when it's full of young guys. Like playing Semi over Nesmith because you might get a small advantage in one game, yet you slow a higher upside players development that very well could cost you when the games matter more. Again it's nitpicking, yet applied over a full season where so many minutes became available, you've waisted a chance to get some young guys a lot more experience. The big one being Pritchard as a true PG running the offense given he's going to be in the playoff rotation and Smart/Walker are injury risks. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 29, 2021 13:48:16 GMT -5
I think you are looking at it wrong. Pritchard played PG when he was in and the minutes would have been close to 35 minutes if he didn’t get knocked out with the nose bleed that wouldn’t stop. By starting Waters it allowed you to stagger guys better rather than having to have Waters in there with the second unit. They were hiding Waters by starting him - it had nothing to do with not trusting Pritchard. Who starts is meaningless - Pritchard was on the floor at crunch time and like I said he missed 5 minutes in the 4th because of the bloody nose. Like I said, I get it, I understand why he did it and one game is likely nitpicking, yet he's done it all year with Pritchard. He'll go crazy extreme having Tatum run the offense when Pritchard plays all the time. He's treated him as a SG more than a true PG all year basically. I want Pritchard getting as many minutes playing PG with the starters against starters as I can get. I want to get this team ready for the playoffs. I like Water's a ton actually, yet it's two late to get him ready for the playoffs. It's one thing to use your whole roster when it's full of veterans, it's another when it's full of young guys. Like playing Semi over Nesmith because you might get a small advantage in one game, yet you slow a higher upside players development that very well could cost you when the games matter more. Again it's nitpicking, yet applied over a full season where so many minutes became available, you've waisted a chance to get some young guys a lot more experience. The big one being Pritchard as a true PG running the offense given he's going to be in the playoff rotation and Smart/Walker are injury risks. Gotcha - i get that - the one nitpick I’ll throw back at you is they had to use Waters since they had no other PGs besides PP. he had a pretty short bench last night. Langford didn’t even play... grant got 1 min so it was really 8 guys. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 29, 2021 17:41:31 GMT -5
Playing Semi over Nesmith looks bad in isolation, but I think Stevens has a plan for Nesmith just as he does for Langford. He doesn't want to burn these guys until they reach a certain level he has envisioned.
That's what I like to tell myself anyway.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 30, 2021 13:04:33 GMT -5
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 30, 2021 19:04:05 GMT -5
Lol at this clown show of a team.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 30, 2021 19:21:39 GMT -5
This season has to put BOTH ainge and stevens on a short short short leash. Absolute joke!! From draft pick utilization to veteran acquisitions. It’s been horrible. Heads should role if this continues!!
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Post by cdj on Apr 30, 2021 20:59:20 GMT -5
Lol
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 30, 2021 21:05:16 GMT -5
This season has to put BOTH ainge and stevens on a short short short leash. Absolute joke!! From draft pick utilization to veteran acquisitions. It’s been horrible. Heads should role if this continues!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂 |
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