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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 23, 2021 10:27:47 GMT -5
Good defense, good effort, horrible ball movement for long stretches. That was mostly just iso Tatum, iso Walker, iso Fournier. Maybe with Brown playing and the D/effort gets it done. Yet not without him, you need to play better team ball. It's a shame, a healthy Brown and we could have stopped this new big three. The effort was good most of the night, but I mentioned a few minutes into the game that their fast start on offense was fools gold - and that’s exactly how it played out. I really think they need to throw away half of their offensive system in the offseason, as it seems to lend itself to really poor ball movement and way too much iso ball. They have players who can be effective iso players when needed, but they rely on it way too much. I think the system is fine when they actually run the offense. Instead you had a bunch of guys trying to match the Nets doing iso. You just need a true PG to run the offense and get guys good looks when things turn bad. A guy like Fournier looked bad because he's not a great iso player, he excells at team basketball. Very frustrating to watch, given we've seen them play good team Basketball in spurts. Last game was like end of the games in last year's playoffs for 48 minutes. At least we got to watch Robert Williams dominate the game. Different team with him on the court. |
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Post by jmei on May 23, 2021 10:42:15 GMT -5
The individual assist numbers have been moving in the right direction, but it’s still too much ISO ball. We’ve seen them operate an offense with good ball movement despite the presence of players like Isaiah Thomas, and Stevens likes to run motion sets meant to keep the ball moving. It might be us taking guys like Horford and Hayward for granted, or it could be Tatum getting Kobe brain.
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Post by wcp3 on May 23, 2021 11:10:17 GMT -5
I don’t think they need to blow up the offensive system, but it needs to be remodeled. They have a very different personnel than they had even a couple years ago, and it’s time to add some new wrinkles that will force them into more movement.
That doesn’t even mean ditching iso ball altogether, but I’d rather see them move the ball quickly early in the shot clock, set some screens for Tatum/Jaylen that will lead to favorable matchups off of switches, and then take advantage of those matchups from there. There’s just way too much Kemba or Tatum walking it up the court right now, and then taking tough jumpers after less than three passes.
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Post by cdj on May 23, 2021 11:20:26 GMT -5
I’m just looking at the young players getting some playoff time and seeing what happens
Early returns on TimeLord are certainly promising. He could be a big game player
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Post by voiceofreason on May 23, 2021 16:53:11 GMT -5
This is a preview season, they are only going to get better.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 24, 2021 6:08:13 GMT -5
I don’t think they need to blow up the offensive system, but it needs to be remodeled. They have a very different personnel than they had even a couple years ago, and it’s time to add some new wrinkles that will force them into more movement. That doesn’t even mean ditching iso ball altogether, but I’d rather see them move the ball quickly early in the shot clock, set some screens for Tatum/Jaylen that will lead to favorable matchups off of switches, and then take advantage of those matchups from there. There’s just way too much Kemba or Tatum walking it up the court right now, and then taking tough jumpers after less than three passes. Norman Dale... |
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Post by cdj on May 24, 2021 13:53:52 GMT -5
Get your Maine RedClaws merch while you can, they’re becoming the Maine Celtics
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Post by voiceofreason on May 24, 2021 16:51:05 GMT -5
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Post by ianrs on May 25, 2021 4:20:28 GMT -5
I’m just looking at the young players getting some playoff time and seeing what happens Early returns on TimeLord are certainly promising. He could be a big game player Ccmpletely agreed. What Timelord is doing with one foot is nothing short of incredible. I really hope he can be healthy because I really believe in the future of this team with Timelord and Nesmith becoming legitimately good players right around Tatum and Brown enter their primes. |
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Post by mobaz on May 25, 2021 7:01:59 GMT -5
I’m just looking at the young players getting some playoff time and seeing what happens Early returns on TimeLord are certainly promising. He could be a big game player Ccmpletely agreed. What Timelord is doing with one foot is nothing short of incredible. I really hope he can be healthy because I really believe in the future of this team with Timelord and Nesmith becoming legitimately good players right around Tatum and Brown enter their primes. At the same time, I have no idea how you make a plan that relies Timelord's health at this point. Agree that fastest/most likely way this team becomes a contender is with Nesmith and Williams hitting ceilings, but I can't remember a single significant stretch where Williams was both healthy and effective at the same time. You never want to see foot injuries on big guys, the hip management was real and its purpose was so that he'd be healthy come games that matter (oops). |
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Post by ianrs on May 25, 2021 7:08:28 GMT -5
Ccmpletely agreed. What Timelord is doing with one foot is nothing short of incredible. I really hope he can be healthy because I really believe in the future of this team with Timelord and Nesmith becoming legitimately good players right around Tatum and Brown enter their primes. At the same time, I have no idea how you make a plan that relies Timelord's health at this point. Agree that fastest/most likely way this team becomes a contender is with Nesmith and Williams hitting ceilings, but I can't remember a single significant stretch where Williams was both healthy and effective at the same time. You never want to see foot injuries on big guys, the hip management was real and its purpose was so that he'd be healthy come games that matter (oops). I completely agree. I don't think you can rely on it by any means, but you *definitely* take a chance on him with a heavily incentivized extension contract. If you can even just get like 25-28 mins out of him a game, its worth it even if he has to miss like 15-20 games a year for injury management to keep him fresh for the playoffs. His upside is absolutely an all-star, even if you only get an All-Star mid 20s minutes a game, that's an extremely valuable player. |
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Post by wcp3 on May 25, 2021 18:38:28 GMT -5
I don’t think there’s a worse announcer duo than Marv Albert and Grant Hill. They’re both horrendous at what they do.
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Post by wcp3 on May 25, 2021 19:02:42 GMT -5
You really have to question why this team has zero fight. There needs to be some massive changes within the organization before next season.
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Post by cdj on May 25, 2021 19:07:10 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s “no fight” I think they just suck relative to Brooklyn
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Post by wcp3 on May 25, 2021 19:08:30 GMT -5
It’s both, lol
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Post by Don Caballero on May 25, 2021 19:28:09 GMT -5
You really have to question why this team has zero fight. There needs to be some massive changes within the organization before next season. Not today bro. It's going to be a painfully long game, please refrain from this lol. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2021 19:30:05 GMT -5
Ccmpletely agreed. What Timelord is doing with one foot is nothing short of incredible. I really hope he can be healthy because I really believe in the future of this team with Timelord and Nesmith becoming legitimately good players right around Tatum and Brown enter their primes. At the same time, I have no idea how you make a plan that relies Timelord's health at this point. Agree that fastest/most likely way this team becomes a contender is with Nesmith and Williams hitting ceilings, but I can't remember a single significant stretch where Williams was both healthy and effective at the same time. You never want to see foot injuries on big guys, the hip management was real and its purpose was so that he'd be healthy come games that matter (oops). What's a significant stretch in your eyes? What does his hip have to do with anything? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2021 19:31:05 GMT -5
I don't see any effort or fight issues.
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Post by wcp3 on May 25, 2021 20:07:11 GMT -5
You really have to question why this team has zero fight. There needs to be some massive changes within the organization before next season. Not today bro. It's going to be a painfully long game, please refrain from this lol. No problem. I’m not in the fire Ainge/Stevens camp, for the record, but if people don’t think significant changes are needed, they’re whistling past the graveyard. |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 25, 2021 20:40:17 GMT -5
No problem. I’m not in the fire Ainge/Stevens camp, for the record, but if people don’t think significant changes are needed, they’re whistling past the graveyard. I agree with that by the way, but the disparity in talent on the court right now is just too immense. The Cs don't stand a chance with that roster and with those injuries. |
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Post by dyoungteach on May 25, 2021 20:40:18 GMT -5
Not today bro. It's going to be a painfully long game, please refrain from this lol. No problem. I’m not in the fire Ainge/Stevens camp, for the record, but if people don’t think significant changes are needed, they’re whistling past the graveyard. Eliminate the iso ball and play team defense. Gosh that would be a start..... they are not even watchable anymore |
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 25, 2021 21:11:29 GMT -5
Count me in the say goodbye to Stevens camp. They need a jolt.
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Post by cdj on May 25, 2021 22:11:41 GMT -5
Yeah nothing that happens this series is changing my mind on anything, the nets have the 3 best players on the court in a star-driven league. I said I would be thrilled taking a game.
I don’t think they’ve quit or anything like that, they just really suck relative to the Nets. It’s honestly that simple to me lol
It’s pretty obvious from listening to Danny that significant shakeups are coming. Not sure what will happen or how he can do it but I bet we have > 50% roster turnover
I legitimately think everybody aside from JT and JB are on the table
I never expected them to be a title contender this year but I did expect better. Oh well. Weird year. I’m willing to burn the tape and forget.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 25, 2021 22:17:23 GMT -5
Yeah nothing that happens this series is changing my mind on anything, the nets have the 3 best players on the court in a star-driven league. I said I would be thrilled taking a game. I don’t think they’ve quit or anything like that, they just really suck relative to the Nets. It’s honestly that simple to me lol It’s pretty obvious from listening to Danny that significant shakeups are coming. Not sure what will happen or how he can do it but I bet we have > 50% roster turnover I legitimately think everybody aside from JT and JB are on the table I never expected them to be a title contender this year but I did expect better. Oh well. Weird year. I’m willing to burn the tape and forget. Even given that, low effort, low assist numbers, big turnover numbers, laying eggs one quarter at least each game, terrible shooting percentages - there is a big motivation factor to this, and you can't fire the team. Stevens is now sub-.500 in playoff games as a Celtics coach. I simply don't think this team listens to him any longer. |
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Post by cdj on May 25, 2021 22:19:12 GMT -5
Yeah nothing that happens this series is changing my mind on anything, the nets have the 3 best players on the court in a star-driven league. I said I would be thrilled taking a game. I don’t think they’ve quit or anything like that, they just really suck relative to the Nets. It’s honestly that simple to me lol It’s pretty obvious from listening to Danny that significant shakeups are coming. Not sure what will happen or how he can do it but I bet we have > 50% roster turnover I legitimately think everybody aside from JT and JB are on the table I never expected them to be a title contender this year but I did expect better. Oh well. Weird year. I’m willing to burn the tape and forget. Even given that, low effort, low assist numbers, big turnover numbers, laying eggs one quarter at least each game, terrible shooting percentages - there is a big motivation factor to this, and you can't fire the team. Stevens is now sub-.500 in playoff games as a Celtics coach. I simply don't think this team listens to him any longer. I think you can absolutely fire the team, they basically did it a couple years ago and immediately went to the ECF I think it’s purely a talent issue at the moment. They’re not firing Brad. That’s been stated publicly a million times, recently confirmed by Woj that it’s not even a consideration. People are too willing to chuck out 3 ECF in 4 years over a shortened, injury-riddled Covid season (the only year they didn’t make it was the only year they were expected to lol) |
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