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Post by soxfansince67 on May 25, 2021 22:27:41 GMT -5
Even given that, low effort, low assist numbers, big turnover numbers, laying eggs one quarter at least each game, terrible shooting percentages - there is a big motivation factor to this, and you can't fire the team. Stevens is now sub-.500 in playoff games as a Celtics coach. I simply don't think this team listens to him any longer. I think you can absolutely fire the team, they basically did it a couple years ago and immediately went to the ECF I think it’s purely a talent issue at the moment. They’re not firing Brad. That’s been stated publicly a million times, recently confirmed by Woj that it’s not even a consideration. People are too willing to chuck out 3 ECF in 4 years over a shortened, injury-riddled Covid season (the only year they didn’t make it was the only year they were expected to lol) We will agree to disagree on this one...we can see how it all works out in the next few years. Just remember that they had to say goodbye to Julien (Bruins) and Francona (Red Sox) - great managers that won, but it was time for a change. I feel it is indeed time for a change. Then again, I don't really get particularly attached to coaches or managers - just to winning. |
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Post by ianrs on May 26, 2021 2:51:20 GMT -5
Not that I expected to win the series or anything, but its extremely disappointing that Tatum only has 21 and 9 in the two games so far against *this* Nets defense. I know Game 2 was the eye poke Fluke but at that point we were already down almost 30 lol. I didn't expect Tatum to be the best by any means in this series but the fact that he has barely been the 5th best player (yes, Joe Harris has had more impact, you could also argue Robert Williams above him) between the two teams is super disappointing.
Danny Ainge needs to review and improve his decision-making very quickly. His drafting has been very good, but roster fringe management needs thorough improvement. Thompson is an absolutely garbage fit for this team where Theis was perfect. Not sure how you go about fixing things this off-season.
Also I love Kemba but it's clear hes not a great fit with Jaylen also on the court.
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Post by cdj on May 26, 2021 7:22:26 GMT -5
Kemba is not a good fit with anybody if the condition of his knee and subsequently his play doesn’t improve
Whole offseason hinges on what they do with him imo
Maybe you move him for more of a true PG like John Wall? Maybe you can snag Russ if the second half of the season didn’t convince Washington to keep him? We’d probably have to add for Russ, not sure we’d have to for Wall aside from matching salaries. Thompson and Walker for Wall might be something to look at. You would hope Wall looks better a full year removed from injury
It’s obviously going to have to be a problem for a problem type deal
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Post by cdj on May 26, 2021 7:41:50 GMT -5
Kyrie is the worst. Jaylen is everything he wishes to be off the court but unfortunately he won’t ever get there because there’s too much of an IQ difference
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Post by ianrs on May 26, 2021 9:59:30 GMT -5
Kemba is not a good fit with anybody if the condition of his knee and subsequently his play doesn’t improve Whole offseason hinges on what they do with him imo Maybe you move him for more of a true PG like John Wall? Maybe you can snag Russ if the second half of the season didn’t convince Washington to keep him? We’d probably have to add for Russ, not sure we’d have to for Wall aside from matching salaries. Thompson and Walker for Wall might be something to look at. You would hope Wall looks better a full year removed from injury It’s obviously going to have to be a problem for a problem type deal Can you bamboozle a desperate Clips team (if they get eliminated from playoffs) into Kemba and TT for PatBev, Kennard, and Zubac? Maybe throw in a 2nd for a sweetener? |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 26, 2021 12:00:22 GMT -5
Kyrie calling Boston fans racists. Not cool bro, why do you only talk shit when your team don't suck? Can't wait to see the Bucks obliterate these jokers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 26, 2021 16:07:30 GMT -5
Kyrie is so amazing to watch. Broke my heart he wanted nothing to do with Boston. I'm glad he's gone, he's mentally not right in the head. I'd rather loose with Kemba Walker than deal with his crap. |
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Post by texs31 on May 27, 2021 15:11:17 GMT -5
Kyrie calling Boston fans racists. Not cool bro, why do you only talk shit when your team don't suck? Can't wait to see the Bucks obliterate these jokers. He's not wrong though. |
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Post by dangermike on May 27, 2021 17:00:51 GMT -5
Kyrie calling Boston fans racists. Not cool bro, why do you only talk shit when your team don't suck? Can't wait to see the Bucks obliterate these jokers. He's not wrong though. there is no excuse for being racist and saying racist things to athletes and people, period. but this dude makes things so hard to separate (as usual) because he's sort of combined racism and heckling. you obviously cant argue human decency but kyrie does deserve to get heckled (without racism) as much as any returning athlete i can think of. |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 27, 2021 17:31:23 GMT -5
That there are racist people in Boston? Holy shit what a revelation, what's next, that there are racist people in Brooklyn too? Or can we positively say there it doesn't happen there? The stereotype that Boston is ultra racist is just that. A stereotype. It's not better or worse than most places. |
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Post by texs31 on May 27, 2021 19:14:03 GMT -5
So you think Black people (especially those who have been a lot of places and encountered a lot of people) are explicitly calling out Boston because of it's reputation (and not their experience)? I guess that's one view.
I'm going to stop here on THAT particular front though bc there is something just wrong about a bunch of white dudes (yes, I'm making assumptions) talking about how/what Black people should feel about the level of racism they experience.
Now, dangermike's point is completely valid (I regret not adding that to my original response) and the issue. Regardless of how bad it is here, Kyrie most definitely made the comments for a reason and that was to deflect.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 27, 2021 20:40:02 GMT -5
there is no excuse for being racist and saying racist things to athletes and people, period. but this dude makes things so hard to separate (as usual) because he's sort of combined racism and heckling. you obviously cant argue human decency but kyrie does deserve to get heckled (without racism) as much as any returning athlete i can think of. Well put - there is absolutely no excuse for being racist and saying racist things to athletes and people - period. This 65 year old New England born white guy has heard racist things being said in Rhode Island - and in Seattle - and Philadelphia - (places I've lived) - and definitely here in North Carolina - in Raleigh, and now here 4 hours west. Loathsome for sure. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 27, 2021 20:51:36 GMT -5
Irving is on record saying before and during his playing days in Boston nothing racist happened to him. He hasn't played in front of fans since leaving Boston. Yet he's moving the goal posts to heckling and whatever he thinks subtle racism is. So I have big issues with the narrative of what he's saying given what he's said in the past. Yeah he's deflecting, by calling Boston fans racist after saying nothing ever happened. It's typical Irving crap.
Look at what happened in Philly and New York recently, throwing popcorn on Westbrook, a fan spitting on Young. Are people calling Philly and New York city racist? Boston has a bad history, yet so much has changed, yet that history is used against us. 1940 96.6% white 3.1% black, 2017 44% white 23% black. As former players have said, it's no different than any other major city today.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 27, 2021 21:10:40 GMT -5
So you think Black people (especially those who have been a lot of places and encountered a lot of people) are explicitly calling out Boston because of it's reputation (and not their experience)? I guess that's one view. I'm going to stop here on THAT particular front though bc there is something just wrong about a bunch of white dudes (yes, I'm making assumptions) talking about how/what Black people should feel about the level of racism they experience. I'm not telling anyone how they should feel on anything. I'm saying that there ARE racist people in Boston, just like there are racist people in Brooklyn. Boston has a reputation and is a low hanging fruit, Irving is kicking a fanbase while they're down. Where was this talk last season when his team sucked ass? |
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Post by ianrs on May 28, 2021 4:26:05 GMT -5
I think it can all be true that there are racists in Boston, some shitty fans are unnecessarily racist to players (and that is never acceptable), and that Kyrie is extra and a shitty, egotistical person.
It certainly doesn't help Boston's image for Danny to come out and say shit like "what?!?! I've never heard of any racism from players here!" While at the same time Marcus Smart is corroborating Kyrie's experience. Come on, bro.
Personally, I hope that Wyc grows a pair and fires Danny and gives Zarren the keys this offseason. I'm tired of his compounding mistakes and we need a full on Morey-like turnaround offseason so that we don't turn into old Philly (failure with two young stars).
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Post by voiceofreason on May 28, 2021 4:58:55 GMT -5
One thing I have learned over the last few years is that racism is everywhere still, sadly. And it SEEMS to be a whole lot worse in other parts of the country.
In regards to Kyrie, he deserves a nonstop chorus of F yous for his act. He is literally the caricature of the spoiled me me me athlete.
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Post by mobaz on May 28, 2021 5:53:19 GMT -5
Danny's statements are a problem. Tone-deaf in a time when people in leadership should be smarter than that.
Kyrie is self-centered in a way beyond most other athletes (already a self-centered bunch). I really wished he had worked here, but good riddance.
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. But only for your basketball and team leadership shortfalls.
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Post by cdj on May 28, 2021 8:51:15 GMT -5
Well I mean Kyrie himself said he hadn’t heard racist comments and he hasn’t really played in front of a Boston crowd since then so this is just a bunch of disingenuous BS from him. He’s just trying to alter the narrative which is trash because he deserves every boo he gets
Ainge needs to be smarter in his response though. That’s just not gonna fly in 2021
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 28, 2021 13:45:01 GMT -5
Wait a minute Irving is going against what he's said on record and to guys like Danny Ainge. Changing the narrative from racism voiced towards him into heckling and "subtle racism", to call a cities fans racist and we're calling out Danny Ainge?
I don't think Danny is lying, which if you want change is a problem.
Like always I respect the hell out of Smart. I can find an example he talks about, leaving game in car, yells at women to get out of road, gets called the N word. That's a powerful example, that's how you promote change.
Irving changing the narrative, so he can deflect and play activist, while calling Boston fans racist towards him when he's on record saying that never happened before is the worst thing you can do. He's turning heckling and crap like that into "subtle racism".
I want Danny's opinion, just like I want Perkins and Smarts. It can show you how far we have come and how far we still need to go. If Irving wants to promote change you can't bring the word racism into things like heckling after what he's on record saying. If he has a story, than tell it.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 28, 2021 14:55:12 GMT -5
Irving changing the narrative, so he can deflect and play activist, while calling Boston fans racist towards him when he's on record saying that never happened before is the worst thing you can do. He's turning heckling and crap like that into "subtle racism". And he knows this shit will fly because America is super touchy with racism and the mere mention of it is absolutely haram. I was a huge Kyrie fan when he came here, I supported him heck even when he was about to leave. But this is not cool, is this really the right time to make that claim while your team is up 2-0 on a series they won before it even started? Talk shit about Milwaukee, another place with somewhat of a history ( and a more recent, relevant one), while you're down 0-2. |
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Post by ianrs on May 28, 2021 15:05:29 GMT -5
It's not about Danny "lying", it's about him being tone deaf and out of touch with players' lived realities.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 28, 2021 19:50:15 GMT -5
19-4 start. Huzzah
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Post by jmei on May 28, 2021 20:07:27 GMT -5
Gutsy run to take the lead by the end of the quarter. Nice to see them show some fight.
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Post by cdj on May 28, 2021 20:16:57 GMT -5
Teams showing heart and Thompson is playing his ass off, best game of the season for him and it’s only the 2nd
“f you Kyrie” chants lol
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Post by Don Caballero on May 28, 2021 20:41:35 GMT -5
www.espn.com/video/clip?id=31529046God I love Jaylen so much. That's it. This is a serious conversation, it cannot be brought up lightly as playoff trash talk going for the low hanging fruit. Screw Kyrie, seriously. The way this team battles through adversity for me is the main hallmark of the Stevens era. I don't think they have enough to keep up with the Nets in the second half, but good God I absolutely LOVED the spirit shown here. Romeo has been a game changer thus far.
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