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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
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Post by voiceofreason on May 5, 2021 5:16:55 GMT -5
If I knew how I would have put my message to umass in italics, maybe a LOL would have worked.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 5, 2021 6:30:37 GMT -5
Yea it’s good but largely pushed by his run blocking grade which is great and all but you want your left tackle to be great at pass protection. He was the 34th ranked tackle in pass protection per PFF grading. He’s also played 18 games in 3 years. 2018 - 0 games 2019 - played 2 games missed 8 then played final 6 (8 total) 2020- played 10 games then missed last 6. So he’s had 3 separate injuries that are major enough to miss large chunks of time. I like him, I see the upside but the injuries and even his production (pass protection) have been less than ideal at this point in time. Basically, this isn’t a guy who’s had a lot of injuries but has been dominant when on the field. His grade was 10th best overall for OTs with 600 or more snaps. Like what's the cutoff on the list you're using? He gave up 3 sacks in 10 games, that's not bad at all. For me the issue is his health, yet it's trending in the right direction. Easy decision for me, I expected this, which is why I didn't see OT as a big need just yet. He can't stay mostly healthy next year, 13-14 games, I will start looking at OTs. I used PFF rankings the same as you did, qualified tackles. He was 11th over all but 34th in pass blocking. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 5, 2021 6:31:44 GMT -5
If I knew how I would have put my message to umass in italics, maybe a LOL would have worked. Those if us who read this and post from our phones cannot even see italics or bolded words... it’s weird. |
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Post by mobaz on May 5, 2021 9:09:15 GMT -5
Saints tried to move up to get Mackey J, but couldn't get higher than 16; Deal was in place if the Pats hadn't taken him. Per Jeff Howe.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 5, 2021 10:11:06 GMT -5
His grade was 10th best overall for OTs with 600 or more snaps. Like what's the cutoff on the list you're using? He gave up 3 sacks in 10 games, that's not bad at all. For me the issue is his health, yet it's trending in the right direction. Easy decision for me, I expected this, which is why I didn't see OT as a big need just yet. He can't stay mostly healthy next year, 13-14 games, I will start looking at OTs. I used PFF rankings the same as you did, qualified tackles. He was 11th over all but 34th in pass blocking. I can see PFF grades and some free articles, I don't have an account so I can't see the breakdown of the grades. The he ranked 10th of all OT that played 600 or more snaps was from an article talking about his option. What is a qualified OT? He ranked 34th out of how many? I mean a couple hundred OT played last year. What is his pass blocking grade versus run blocking grade? Three sacks in 10 games for a LT isn't bad at all, especially with Newton who took a bunch of sacks trying to run when he couldn't find open receivers. Newton wasn't a quick release QB and he almost never threw the ball away to avoid sacks like Brady. You are taking the 34th ranking and making it seem like he's a bad pass protector, something I've never seen watching games. There's no way he was 34th out of 64 OT for example. If you really want to get technical, you need to breakdown LT vs RT also, because teams usually send their best pass rushers after a QBs blindside, hence why LTs get paid so much more money. An educated guess is a bunch of RTs are listed above him on that list and it’s not really saying what you think it’s saying. Bill didn't just lock in a guy that misses the games Wynn has if he doesn't think he's darn good, at an amount that currently ranks him 12th for OTs in 2022. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 5, 2021 12:15:57 GMT -5
I used PFF rankings the same as you did, qualified tackles. He was 11th over all but 34th in pass blocking. I can see PFF grades and some free articles, I don't have an account so I can't see the breakdown of the grades. The he ranked 10th of all OT that played 600 or more snaps was from an article talking about his option. What is a qualified OT? He ranked 34th out of how many? I mean a couple hundred OT played last year. What is his pass blocking grade versus run blocking grade? Three sacks in 10 games for a LT isn't bad at all, especially with Newton who took a bunch of sacks trying to run when he couldn't find open receivers. Newton wasn't a quick release QB and he almost never threw the ball away to avoid sacks like Brady. You are taking the 34th ranking and making it seem like he's a bad pass protector, something I've never seen watching games. There's no way he was 34th out of 64 OT for example. If you really want to get technical, you need to breakdown LT vs RT also, because teams usually send their best pass rushers after a QBs blindside, hence why LTs get paid so much more money. An educated guess is a bunch of RTs are listed above him on that list and it’s not really saying what you think it’s saying. Bill didn't just lock in a guy that misses the games Wynn has if he doesn't think he's darn good, at an amount that currently ranks him 12th for OTs in 2022. Ok so first of all, lets cut the narrative that I think Wynn is bad at anything. I literally started by saying he's very good when healthy. You seem to be taking me stating he hasn't been dominant as some sort of insult. In my opinion if you are going to get paid big dollars and are a huge health risk then you better be dominant when you are on the field. it's the only way it starts to make up for the missed time. If Wynn were a reliable player, who played at the level he plays at on the field, then he's worth every penny he's getting paid. You can't pay a guy for his expected play on the field, just because he's good enough, when he's not on the damn field. Therefore, he needs to be better to be worth the salary. But to answer your questions and one comment: the article you read is right or wrong depending how you look at it, he's the 11th tackle with at least 600 snaps and every player on the list ahead of him has at last another games worth of snaps more (Whitworth ranked 6th has 716 snaps to Wynn's 641 - he's the next closest. The only other guy with less than 927 snaps on the list above him is the number 2 ranks Bakhiari @ 758). UNLESS, you remove Onwenu from the list who actually played 616 of his 927 snaps at tackle last year. He almost played as many games at tackle as Wynn did. I might be able to separate out the tackle versus guard grade, but I haven't... it's irrelevant in big picture so lets just go with Wynn rated at the 10th overall tackle. Of the players ranked ahead of him only 2 are Right Tackles (Wirfs and Conklin). His pass blocking grade is 75.2 and run blocking grade is 81.8... total grade is 82.6... it's common for total grades to be higher than any of the individual grades Out of the 34 guys I mentioned only 4 had fewer than 600 snaps so if you want that as your barometer then he was ranked 30ths in pass blocking and that's out of 60 players who played at least 600 snaps. If you take his pressure percentage to even out for number of pass blocking snaps he had then he ranks 24th. I'm not going to breakdown right tackles versus left tackles for the 30 players as that's a lot of time, but, I can tell you that every left tackle above him in the overall rankings had a much better pass blocking grade than his and they played a lot more pass blocking snaps. If you are just analyzing the rankings and care most about passblocking from a left tackle then look a the pass blocking snaps not just the total snaps. Because of the Patriots offense there are guys with under 500 snaps that have nearly as many pass blocking snaps that Wynn has. Wynn only has 337 pass blocking snaps versus 304 run blocking. Anyways, I've spent too much time of this. Wynn shows a lot of potential and when he was on the field last year (not in 2019) he was very good overall, but only solid as a pass protector. At some point it is fair to ask, if you are a left tackle being carried by your run blocking grade, are you really a left tackle? And honestly, this question just came to me since you had me dig deeper into the numbers. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 5, 2021 13:41:48 GMT -5
Well "production has been less than ideal" for a guy rated as the 8th best LT in football last year is nitpicking in my book. A 75.2 grade isn't bad by PFF standards and if you broke down the LT versus RT you likely find he's above average at LT. Like I said teams attack LTs with their best pass rushers to go after a QBs blindside. Almost every RT that moves to LT will see his pass blocking grade drop and vice versa LT that move to RT will see it increase. If you want to rate passblocking you can't lump them together. It's likely why his grades higher, I bet PFF adjusts for position. A 75.2 pass blocking grade isn't the same for a LT versus a RT. Very few teams have two elite edge rushers.
I actually thought Justin Herron played rather well last year. I've seen a lot worse from rookies, yet 352 snaps 63.4 grade and 5 sacks allowed filling in for Wynn.
When you watch the games do you think Wynn doesn't look good during pass blocking? In 2019 he was a massive upgrade when he came back over Newhouse.
If Mac Jones becomes QB, watch Wynn's grade at pass blocking jump. They'll pass more and Mac Jones won't take all the sacks that Cam Newton did trying to make plays with his legs. Cam Newton didn't do his OL any favors last year with his lack of pocket presence. Talk about the exact opposite of Brady.
In the end no grades matter, Bill thinks enough of Wynn even after missing so many games to make him the 12th highest paid OT in 2022. That's all you need to know about what he thinks of his play. You do that for a guy that misses 5he amount of games Wynn has, you think damn highly of him.
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Post by mobaz on May 5, 2021 14:33:22 GMT -5
Well "production has been less than ideal" for a guy rated as the 8th best LT in football last year is nitpicking in my book. A 75.2 grade isn't bad by PFF standards and if you broke down the LT versus RT you likely find he's above average at LT. Like I said teams attack LTs with their best pass rushers to go after a QBs blindside. Almost every RT that moves to LT will see his pass blocking grade drop and vice versa LT that move to RT will see it increase. If you want to rate passblocking you can't lump them together. It's likely why his grades higher, I bet PFF adjusts for position. A 75.2 pass blocking grade isn't the same for a LT versus a RT. Very few teams have two elite edge rushers. I actually thought Justin Herron played rather well last year. I've seen a lot worse from rookies, yet 352 snaps 63.4 grade and 5 sacks allowed filling in for Wynn. When you watch the games do you think Wynn doesn't look good during pass blocking? In 2019 he was a massive upgrade when he came back over Newhouse. If Mac Jones becomes QB, watch Wynn's grade at pass blocking jump. They'll pass more and Mac Jones won't take all the sacks that Cam Newton did trying to make plays with his legs. Cam Newton didn't do his OL any favors last year with his lack of pocket presence. Talk about the exact opposite of Brady. In the end no grades matter, Bill thinks enough of Wynn even after missing so many games to make him the 12th highest paid OT in 2022. That's all you need to know about what he thinks of his play. You do that for a guy that misses 5he amount of games Wynn has, you think damn highly of him. It is potentially notable that they waited until after the draft to pick up Wynn's option; the Occam's Razor answer is they didn't have to pick it up so they didn't, but it's also plausible there was an OT or two they liked at 15 (esp if QBs were gone) and it might have changed their view on Wynn for 2022. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 5, 2021 14:52:19 GMT -5
Well "production has been less than ideal" for a guy rated as the 8th best LT in football last year is nitpicking in my book. A 75.2 grade isn't bad by PFF standards and if you broke down the LT versus RT you likely find he's above average at LT. Like I said teams attack LTs with their best pass rushers to go after a QBs blindside. Almost every RT that moves to LT will see his pass blocking grade drop and vice versa LT that move to RT will see it increase. If you want to rate passblocking you can't lump them together. It's likely why his grades higher, I bet PFF adjusts for position. A 75.2 pass blocking grade isn't the same for a LT versus a RT. Very few teams have two elite edge rushers. I actually thought Justin Herron played rather well last year. I've seen a lot worse from rookies, yet 352 snaps 63.4 grade and 5 sacks allowed filling in for Wynn. When you watch the games do you think Wynn doesn't look good during pass blocking? In 2019 he was a massive upgrade when he came back over Newhouse. If Mac Jones becomes QB, watch Wynn's grade at pass blocking jump. They'll pass more and Mac Jones won't take all the sacks that Cam Newton did trying to make plays with his legs. Cam Newton didn't do his OL any favors last year with his lack of pocket presence. Talk about the exact opposite of Brady. In the end no grades matter, Bill thinks enough of Wynn even after missing so many games to make him the 12th highest paid OT in 2022. That's all you need to know about what he thinks of his play. You do that for a guy that misses 5he amount of games Wynn has, you think damn highly of him. It is potentially notable that they waited until after the draft to pick up Wynn's option; the Occam's Razor answer is they didn't have to pick it up so they didn't, but it's also plausible there was an OT or two they liked at 15 (esp if QBs were gone) and it might have changed their view on Wynn for 2022. I guess, yet the majority of the 5th year options were picked up after the draft, including many like Josh Allen that weren't tied to the draft at all. Unless you'd think the Bill's might have taken a QB in the draft and that's why they waited. |
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Post by rasimon on May 5, 2021 15:49:18 GMT -5
now that the draft is over and we did not get a top WR, CB, or OT. And since we did get a new QB and presumably the Jimmy G talk is over we may have a bit of $ flexibility. Are there any remaining FAs who could supplement at WR, CB, S, LB, or OT? Preferably one who could stick for more than one-year to cushion us against defections after 2021? nfltraderumors.co/top-50-2021-nfl-free-agents/ a few interesting ones OT Eric Fisher age 30 PFF's 16th ranked OT last year. Coming back from injury CB Brian Poole 28 PFF's 11th ranked CB last year. S Malik Hooker 25 injuries injuries I get why WR and CB are on this list but I’m not sure I see why OT, Safety or LB are.... the answer on OT is in the post right above mine (ha!) Wynn has not been the most durable. Brown is a FA after 2021. Wynn being signed for 2022 makes OT a bit less pressing but it would still be nice to get an additional OL-man both to back up this year and to protect for loss in 2022. Fisher could be good. Schwartz is tempting but back injuries are tough. Safety. Our guys did not grade particularly well on PFF last year. McCourty is 33 this year and will be a FA after this year. I'm hopeful that Duggar will step it up this year. Even so we could still use some help if it could be had at a reasonable price. Kind of disappointed we did not draft one higher. Moehrig was available at 38 although not at 46. Molden was available when we took Perkins. We did take Bledsoe a ways down, but he was not considered a top prospect. LB I'm less concerned about. Uche on the field should help. Getting Hightower back should help for 2021 at least. Getting Van Noyes back should help. We drafted McGrone. Wonder if they made an offer to Dylan Moses? But willing to see how we look this year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 5, 2021 16:06:01 GMT -5
So don’t shoot the messenger but Wynn ranked as the 22nd left tackle in pass blocking with at least 600 snaps. The top 15 guys are 79.9 or better and he’s down at 75.2 so you can make your own determination on what average is.
That being said some of these left tackles are terrible run blockers and in this offense I’m not making that trade off.
Wynns run blocking was really good for a tackle but still well below the top guys.
I don’t think the draft had anything to do with his option being picked up.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 5, 2021 16:39:14 GMT -5
I get why WR and CB are on this list but I’m not sure I see why OT, Safety or LB are.... the answer on OT is in the post right above mine (ha!) Wynn has not been the most durable. Brown is a FA after 2021. Wynn being signed for 2022 makes OT a bit less pressing but it would still be nice to get an additional OL-man both to back up this year and to protect for loss in 2022. Fisher could be good. Schwartz is tempting but back injuries are tough. Safety. Our guys did not grade particularly well on PFF last year. McCourty is 33 this year and will be a FA after this year. I'm hopeful that Duggar will step it up this year. Even so we could still use some help if it could be had at a reasonable price. Kind of disappointed we did not draft one higher. Moehrig was available at 38 although not at 46. Molden was available when we took Perkins. We did take Bledsoe a ways down, but he was not considered a top prospect. LB I'm less concerned about. Uche on the field should help. Getting Hightower back should help for 2021 at least. Getting Van Noyes back should help. We drafted McGrone. Wonder if they made an offer to Dylan Moses? But willing to see how we look this year. Understood, I was looking at it for this year. Signing a Fischer type doesn’t help, unless you get an injury. You generally only have 8 linemen - maybe 9 on your 53... 5 starters plus Karras and Herron are 7 of those then they have a few other young guys I’m sure they hope to develop really leaving no realistic room for a veteran you hopefully don’t even need. |
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Post by cdj on May 5, 2021 17:02:39 GMT -5
Wynn is pretty clearly a starting caliber LT and a pretty good fit for what the offense wants to do (which is surprising because it’s a power run scheme and he’s undersized for the spot but he more than holds his own)
Like others have said my only concern with him is durability. I don’t commit to him long term but picking up his option is a no-brainer, especially considering they didn’t draft a tackle early
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Post by texs31 on May 5, 2021 18:23:33 GMT -5
NE signs their first UDFA in kicker Quinn Nordin out of Michigan.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 5, 2021 18:44:20 GMT -5
Wynn is pretty clearly a starting caliber LT and a pretty good fit for what the offense wants to do (which is surprising because it’s a power run scheme and he’s undersized for the spot but he more than holds his own) Like others have said my only concern with him is durability. I don’t commit to him long term but picking up his option is a no-brainer, especially considering they didn’t draft a tackle early To be clear, I have not argued that he’s not a starting caliber tackle or that the option shouldn’t have been picked up. |
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Post by mobaz on May 5, 2021 18:54:37 GMT -5
NE signs their first UDFA in kicker Quinn Nordin out of Michigan. Should have used a 5th round pick on him |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 5, 2021 18:55:40 GMT -5
Mac Jones and Joe Burrow both were not highly regarded prospects entering their senior years. They both had historic seasons on dominant National Championship teams. The Mac Jones narrative is he had so many weapons that it’s hard to know what he will do with lessor ones in the NFL.
Meanwhile Joe Burrow had to throw to Justin Jefferson, JaMarr Chase, Terrence Marshall and Thaddeus Moss, and had Clyde Edwards-Helaire in the backfield.... imagine if he had studs around him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 6, 2021 5:29:33 GMT -5
So don’t shoot the messenger but Wynn ranked as the 22nd left tackle in pass blocking with at least 600 snaps. The top 15 guys are 79.9 or better and he’s down at 75.2 so you can make your own determination on what average is. That being said some of these left tackles are terrible run blockers and in this offense I’m not making that trade off. Wynns run blocking was really good for a tackle but still well below the top guys. I don’t think the draft had anything to do with his option being picked up. So you have a PFF members? Like where are you getting this information? Share a link? If you have an account what Wynn's pass grade last year with Brady? What is the average LT pass blocking grade? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 6, 2021 9:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 6, 2021 9:19:29 GMT -5
So don’t shoot the messenger but Wynn ranked as the 22nd left tackle in pass blocking with at least 600 snaps. The top 15 guys are 79.9 or better and he’s down at 75.2 so you can make your own determination on what average is. That being said some of these left tackles are terrible run blockers and in this offense I’m not making that trade off. Wynns run blocking was really good for a tackle but still well below the top guys. I don’t think the draft had anything to do with his option being picked up. So you have a PFF members? Like where are you getting this information? Share a link? If you have an account what Wynn's pass grade last year with Brady? What is the average LT pass blocking grade? yes, I have an account. Wynn's Pass blocking grade with Brady was 75.0... with Cam it was 75.2 I do not know where to find the average pass blocking grade for all left tackles as a whole and it starts to get sketchy the further down the list you go, as there are guys who had to move from the right to the left due to injuries or were backups who played the majority of the snaps due to injury, etc. If we want to say there are 32 left tackles that should fit then the mean or 16th guy is rated 79.2 (for 2020). There's 32 teams in the league so on any given week there are 32 starting left tackles. Wynn ranks behind 21 of them based on PFF numbers. I'm not saying PFF numbers are gospel, I've been using them because you did and quite frankly from a numbers perspective we don't have much else to use for better or worse. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 6, 2021 22:40:05 GMT -5
Okay that's about what I expected, it looks like he didn't improve, yet I'd say he did. That's the difference in Brady versus Newton. Fewer chances and Newton not doing the little things like Brady did.
There aren't close to 32 LT that play all 16 games though. Just look at Wynn and Herron. If you want the average LT passing grade you can't just throw out all the Herron's in the NFL. Now maybe you have no way of getting that grade given how guys change positions. Example that half the Patriots moved Wynn to OG and started Herron. I remember it being a disaster, how much did that effect his grade?
A 75.2 has to be above average given the way PFF grades. They had Meyers at a 78 and he was the 25th WR last year. That's also the thing with PFF, saying Meyers was the 25th best WR based on opportunity and production, isn't saying he's the 25th best WR in football either. Agholor is a more talented player, his grade is just bad because of drops. Yet 8 TDs versus zero is a massive difference.
Per NESN.com the Patriots made the decision to pick up Wynn's option before the draft. So this wasn't they might have moved on if something different in the draft happened.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 6, 2021 22:52:02 GMT -5
Jason McCourty going to Dolphins. I don't know if I'm excited for Williams or worried we lack depth. I certainly wouldn't mind bringing in another CB and Golden Tate has always been a favorite player of mine.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 7, 2021 4:41:17 GMT -5
Okay that's about what I expected, it looks like he didn't improve, yet I'd say he did. That's the difference in Brady versus Newton. Fewer chances and Newton not doing the little things like Brady did. There aren't close to 32 LT that play all 16 games though. Just look at Wynn and Herron. If you want the average LT passing grade you can't just throw out all the Herron's in the NFL. Now maybe you have no way of getting that grade given how guys change positions. Example that half the Patriots moved Wynn to OG and started Herron. I remember it being a disaster, how much did that effect his grade? A 75.2 has to be above average given the way PFF grades. They had Meyers at a 78 and he was the 25th WR last year. That's also the thing with PFF, saying Meyers was the 25th best WR based on opportunity and production, isn't saying he's the 25th best WR in football either. Agholor is a more talented player, his grade is just bad because of drops. Yet 8 TDs versus zero is a massive difference. Per NESN.com the Patriots made the decision to pick up Wynn's option before the draft. So this wasn't they might have moved on if something different in the draft happened. Right but are we talking about starters or all guys who play left tackle? Let’s settle on this. When he’s on the field... Wynn is an above average starting left tackle when factoring both run and pass blocking, which we should. Wynn is an average, at best, pass blocking starting left tackle. He doesn’t excel in any one area but he has no holes in his game either - besides staying on the field. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2021 11:19:20 GMT -5
Okay that's about what I expected, it looks like he didn't improve, yet I'd say he did. That's the difference in Brady versus Newton. Fewer chances and Newton not doing the little things like Brady did. There aren't close to 32 LT that play all 16 games though. Just look at Wynn and Herron. If you want the average LT passing grade you can't just throw out all the Herron's in the NFL. Now maybe you have no way of getting that grade given how guys change positions. Example that half the Patriots moved Wynn to OG and started Herron. I remember it being a disaster, how much did that effect his grade? A 75.2 has to be above average given the way PFF grades. They had Meyers at a 78 and he was the 25th WR last year. That's also the thing with PFF, saying Meyers was the 25th best WR based on opportunity and production, isn't saying he's the 25th best WR in football either. Agholor is a more talented player, his grade is just bad because of drops. Yet 8 TDs versus zero is a massive difference. Per NESN.com the Patriots made the decision to pick up Wynn's option before the draft. So this wasn't they might have moved on if something different in the draft happened. Right but are we talking about starters or all guys who play left tackle? Let’s settle on this. When he’s on the field... Wynn is an above average starting left tackle when factoring both run and pass blocking, which we should. Wynn is an average, at best, pass blocking starting left tackle. He doesn’t excel in any one area but he has no holes in his game either - besides staying on the field. I'm talking about the average LT passing grade, that includes all players that play LT. If you want the average 3 point percentage of a SG, you don't just look at the best starters and say a guys below average because of that. That's what you're doing. Calling Wynn an average at best LT at pass blocking is kinda crazy given the amount of LTs that play a ton that are just horrible. You're discounting his 75.2 grade because of x amount of players above him, when the amount of players below him is way bigger. There's a huge difference in saying a guy wasn't one of the top pass blockers last year versus saying he's average at best. Wynn's combo was the 8th best LT in football last year, calling him just above average doesn't match that. Players with overall 80 grades are some of the best players at their position in Football. He's got a grade right about what Tyreek Hill does, would you call him just an above average WR? I know you talked a ton about taking a LT in the draft and moving on from Wynn, yet this is kinda getting crazy. All this talk about one part of a guy's grade when his overall grade is one of the best players at his position in Football. If a 75.2 grade scares you by PFF standards, you have to be damn scared of our WRs we signed with overall grades below that. Per PFF website about grading, a player with an 80 grade for the season will be one of the better seasons in a given year. That's how they grade, 80s are your darn good players, 90s is one of the better seasons in History. A 75.2 grade isn't bad by PFF standards, if your looking at PFF grades you have to see that. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 7, 2021 12:15:54 GMT -5
Right but are we talking about starters or all guys who play left tackle? Let’s settle on this. When he’s on the field... Wynn is an above average starting left tackle when factoring both run and pass blocking, which we should. Wynn is an average, at best, pass blocking starting left tackle. He doesn’t excel in any one area but he has no holes in his game either - besides staying on the field. I'm talking about the average LT passing grade, that includes all players that play LT. If you want the average 3 point percentage of a SG, you don't just look at the best starters and say a guys below average because of that. That's what you're doing. Calling Wynn an average at best LT at pass blocking is kinda crazy given the amount of LTs that play a ton that are just horrible. You're discounting his 75.2 grade because of x amount of players above him, when the amount of players below him is way bigger. There's a huge difference in saying a guy wasn't one of the top pass blockers last year versus saying he's average at best. Wynn's combo was the 8th best LT in football last year, calling him just above average doesn't match that. Players with overall 80 grades are some of the best players at their position in Football. He's got a grade right about what Tyreek Hill does, would you call him just an above average WR? I know you talked a ton about taking a LT in the draft and moving on from Wynn, yet this is kinda getting crazy. All this talk about one part of a guy's grade when his overall grade is one of the best players at his position in Football. If a 75.2 grade scares you by PFF standards, you have to be damn scared of our WRs we signed with overall grades below that. Per PFF website about grading, a player with an 80 grade for the season will be one of the better seasons in a given year. That's how they grade, 80s are your darn good players, 90s is one of the better seasons in History. A 75.2 grade isn't bad by PFF standards, if your looking at PFF grades you have to see that. I just called him an average starting left tackle when it comes to pass blocking. I feel like that’s generous when he has 22 guys in front of him and quite frankly I only care about how he compares to starting level players. It’s not the same as the NBA you can’t compare. Starting linemen in the NFL should play 95% of the snaps or more if they are good and healthy. Comparing him to backups is irrelevant. My talking tackle in the draft had to do with Wynns injuries and Brown being a UFA not Isaiah Wynns production. If Wynns production were what it is and he played the majority of the time, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But it is what it is and he missed half the time. That’s a problem. |
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