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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Jan 6, 2021 8:30:30 GMT -5
Mike Reiss and Andrew Callahan started their "Which Free Agents stay or go" lists. I'm out of articles for the Herald so only read Reiss'. www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4821973/gut-feeling-on-patriots-free-agent-class-expect-lots-of-change-in-2021www.bostonherald.com/2021/01/06/patriots-2021-free-agents-cam-newton-james-white-and-other-23-pats-hitting-the-market/David Andrews is high on my list. The O-Line is still reliant on a healthy and effective Isaiah Wynn, because if Mason and Andrews are on top-of-market contracts in the middle, we really need Wynn and Onwenu (whether RT or LG) to balance the cap sheet. I think James White would be a perfect signing for Miami (and probably good for him personally), so maybe Burkhead comes back if he can get healthy. Lawrence Guy would be great to keep. Hopefully Adam Butler too. Jason McCourty wasn't effective this year, and with JC Jackson due for a raise (I say he gets a Logan Ryan style 3/30 or 4/40 type deal) it's a good place to turn to the youth. I'm a coin flip on Wise, Simon and Calhoun; that's the part of the free agent market BB works effectively, so I'm hoping solid replacements can come in if necessary. The grumpy fan in me would be glad to see a full purge of the pass catchers and linebacker corps, but there are obviously workable parts to keep if they are in their correct roles with more talent ahead of them. On Special Teams, I'd rather keep Justin Bethel at this point; I'm guessing Slater retires. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 6, 2021 9:51:02 GMT -5
Back on the grid and figured I'd start up the offseason thread with a couple of topics:
1. Schefter was on EEI and said the "report" of Newton and Pats being done was NOT a report. He referred to it as "a little bit that got blown up into a report". That being said, he's also speculating that the price could go 2 yrs 40-50 million and that WFT seems like a natural fit (Rivera connection). That would seem to be WAY too high for BB, IMO.
2. Bedard, on BSJ, did a breakdown that included observations and "sourced" info on some young players. In that piece, he suggested that Winovich's mouth could be a problem. Never thinks he's wrong. Bedard believes that could become a road block with him every truly becoming a 3-down player.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2021 10:47:37 GMT -5
Whose up for a Julio Jones for Stephon Gilmore trade? I think I’m all set with the 32 year old receiver who makes pretty big money even after trade. Also, he’s not tradable from Atlanta’s standpoint. His dead cap would be over 38m versus a 23m cap hit to keep him. There’s a nice crop of FA receivers and a lot of teams in cap jail so there should be good deals out there on the FA market. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 6, 2021 10:51:48 GMT -5
Back on the grid and figured I'd start up the offseason thread with a couple of topics: 1. Schefter was on EEI and said the "report" of Newton and Pats being done was NOT a report. He referred to it as "a little bit that got blown up into a report". That being said, he's also speculating that the price could go 2 yrs 40-50 million and that WFT seems like a natural fit (Rivera connection). That would seem to be WAY too high for BB, IMO. 2. Bedard, on BSJ, did a breakdown that included observations and "sourced" info on some young players. In that piece, he suggested that Winovich's mouth could be a problem. Never thinks he's wrong. Bedard believes that could become a road block with him every truly becoming a 3-down player. If Cam gets that the NFL QB situation is even more desperate than I thought |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 6, 2021 11:13:38 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Jan 6, 2021 11:17:46 GMT -5
Whose up for a Julio Jones for Stephon Gilmore trade? I think I’m all set with the 32 year old receiver who makes pretty big money even after trade. Also, he’s not tradable from Atlanta’s standpoint. His dead cap would be over 38m versus a 23m cap hit to keep him. There’s a nice crop of FA receivers and a lot of teams in cap jail so there should be good deals out there on the FA market. Top of the market might dry up and one of AR/Golladay/Fuller/JuJu/Godwin might become attainable. Still a great WR draft too. If you don't want to play at the top of the FA or draft markets, you can double dip, get a 24-27 year old in the Samuel/C. Davis range and a 2nd/3rd rounder. |
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Post by mobaz on Jan 6, 2021 11:19:37 GMT -5
Back on the grid and figured I'd start up the offseason thread with a couple of topics: 1. Schefter was on EEI and said the "report" of Newton and Pats being done was NOT a report. He referred to it as "a little bit that got blown up into a report". That being said, he's also speculating that the price could go 2 yrs 40-50 million and that WFT seems like a natural fit (Rivera connection). That would seem to be WAY too high for BB, IMO. 2. Bedard, on BSJ, did a breakdown that included observations and "sourced" info on some young players. In that piece, he suggested that Winovich's mouth could be a problem. Never thinks he's wrong. Bedard believes that could become a road block with him every truly becoming a 3-down player. If Cam gets that the NFL QB situation is even more desperate than I thought Wouldn't you want Fitzmagic over Cam at this point? I guess if Cam is the alternative to paying $30M for a Stafford/Ryan/Jimmy G/Cousins type plus trade compensation (I haven't checked what acquiring team cap hit would be). [EDIT I mean a generic NFL team, not the Pats] |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 6, 2021 11:25:33 GMT -5
Since I believe (for whatever THAT is worth) that a veteran QB addition is nothing more than a bridge, I'd prefer a guy who has some level of familiarity in the system. I guess that puts me in the Cam/Jimmy/Jacoby camp (with Jimmy being the least likely bc it would mean a big investment for someone who isn't considered the future).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2021 14:04:57 GMT -5
I think 40-50 million sounds crazy for Newton. If that actually happens, Washington gives him a deal like that. So we'd get a third round comp pick, just maybe we finally see why he played him at the end.
I'm certainly down for better guys, yet Jacoby Brissett sounds like an idea I like. He shouldn't cost much, is a running QB, knows the system and the last time he started 15 games he was much better than Newton. You could hope the Patriots system makes him better.
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Post by cdj on Jan 6, 2021 15:57:22 GMT -5
Brissett looked really good before he got injured a year or two back. I don’t remember how long ago it was but I remember some darkhorse mvp stuff after a handful of weeks lol
I think he could do an ok job here- he’s more accurate than Newton, that’s for sure. Wouldn’t mind him as a bridge to the future star QB
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2021 16:49:01 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/marcus-mariota-16726/While ten million might be a little rich, I wouldn't mind trading for Mariota either. A big reason being his running ability. Something like a 6th round pick. If he's released he wouldn't count towards the comp pick formula. I don't hate the idea of Fitzy either, he just lacks running ability and I think that's key given this team. Yet I bet he picks up the offense like few QBs could quickly and he's a gamer.
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Post by cdj on Jan 6, 2021 17:00:59 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/marcus-mariota-16726/While ten million might be a little rich, I wouldn't mind trading for Mariota either. A big reason being his running ability. Something like a 6th round pick. If he's released he wouldn't count towards the comp pick formula. I don't hate the idea of Fitzy either, he just lacks running ability and I think that's key given this team. Yet I bet he picks up the offense like few QBs could quickly and he's a gamer. I’d honestly love Fitzpatrick to be a bridge. He understands his role. And he had a pretty damn good year when he was allowed to start. He was clearly a better option in the immediate than Tua imo |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 6, 2021 18:07:21 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/marcus-mariota-16726/While ten million might be a little rich, I wouldn't mind trading for Mariota either. A big reason being his running ability. Something like a 6th round pick. If he's released he wouldn't count towards the comp pick formula. I don't hate the idea of Fitzy either, he just lacks running ability and I think that's key given this team. Yet I bet he picks up the offense like few QBs could quickly and he's a gamer. I’ve heard the Raiders love Mariota and it’s quite possible they’d move on from Carr before him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2021 19:00:28 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-raiders/marcus-mariota-16726/While ten million might be a little rich, I wouldn't mind trading for Mariota either. A big reason being his running ability. Something like a 6th round pick. If he's released he wouldn't count towards the comp pick formula. I don't hate the idea of Fitzy either, he just lacks running ability and I think that's key given this team. Yet I bet he picks up the offense like few QBs could quickly and he's a gamer. I’ve heard the Raiders love Mariota and it’s quite possible they’d move on from Carr before him. We'll see and most of that crap was last year when they signed him. They had a chance to play him the last two weeks after Carr got injured, they didn't. Heck the fans wanted to see him and nothing. Given that team you can make a good case that $10 million is better spent elsewhere. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 6, 2021 22:02:05 GMT -5
I do think this offseason represents an opportunity for the raiders to get out of Carr’s contract easily if they wanted too. We shall see if they prefer the cheaper option
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Post by costpet on Jan 7, 2021 7:41:23 GMT -5
It's about time BB starts drafting offense. He seems to disregard it every draft as not that important. He can always fill in the defense with veterans using all that cap space. And please, please, please let Cam go.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 7, 2021 8:31:14 GMT -5
It's about time BB starts drafting offense. He seems to disregard it every draft as not that important. He can always fill in the defense with veterans using all that cap space. And please, please, please let Cam go. This is one of those takes that “feels” a certain way but in reality it’s not the case. Last 3 drafts: 3 first round picks all on offense. (Tackle, RB, WR) 2020 draft: 5 of 10 picks were on offense 2019: 5 of first 7 picks were on offense 2018: both firsts were offense and 5 of 9 overall |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 7, 2021 14:11:28 GMT -5
I was so excited for free agency, then I read the PFF free agency predictions. I've forgotten how crazy the top of the market is. Leonard Williams would go a long way in stoping our run issues and adding pressure. The sacks haven't always been there, yet the QB hits have been.
Reports that Jarvis Landry might get cut, I'd trade for that contract. Also reports Vonn Miller might get cut.
I'm also kinda excited Nick Caserio is gone. We need to adjust how we do things
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 7, 2021 14:23:05 GMT -5
It's about time BB starts drafting offense. He seems to disregard it every draft as not that important. He can always fill in the defense with veterans using all that cap space. And please, please, please let Cam go. This is one of those takes that “feels” a certain way but in reality it’s not the case. Last 3 drafts: 3 first round picks all on offense. (Tackle, RB, WR) 2020 draft: 5 of 10 picks were on offense 2019: 5 of first 7 picks were on offense 2018: both firsts were offense and 5 of 9 overall Last seven drafts only two WRs taken before 6th round, Harry and Mitchell. You can't do that unless you strike good on the two guys you picked. Go compare that to the Steelers, who might have the best WR depth I've ever seen. Yet it's not surprising given they used three 2nd round picks and a third on WRs. So it's not really offensive players, it's WRs and they don't take as many as they should given the current NFL. I like Dugger, yet if they had taken Claypool things would be very different right now. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 7, 2021 17:51:01 GMT -5
This is one of those takes that “feels” a certain way but in reality it’s not the case. Last 3 drafts: 3 first round picks all on offense. (Tackle, RB, WR) 2020 draft: 5 of 10 picks were on offense 2019: 5 of first 7 picks were on offense 2018: both firsts were offense and 5 of 9 overall Last seven drafts only two WRs taken before 6th round, Harry and Mitchell. You can't do that unless you strike good on the two guys you picked. Go compare that to the Steelers, who might have the best WR depth I've ever seen. Yet it's not surprising given they used three 2nd round picks and a third on WRs. So it's not really offensive players, it's WRs and they don't take as many as they should given the current NFL. I like Dugger, yet if they had taken Claypool things would be very different right now. Right there’s a difference between not doing well and ignoring. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 7, 2021 18:52:05 GMT -5
Last seven drafts only two WRs taken before 6th round, Harry and Mitchell. You can't do that unless you strike good on the two guys you picked. Go compare that to the Steelers, who might have the best WR depth I've ever seen. Yet it's not surprising given they used three 2nd round picks and a third on WRs. So it's not really offensive players, it's WRs and they don't take as many as they should given the current NFL. I like Dugger, yet if they had taken Claypool things would be very different right now. Right there’s a difference between not doing well and ignoring. I don't see how one pick changes things, even first round picks bust like 50% of time. Just imagine if they didn't get lucky with Meyers. If they want good WRs, they have to pay for them, trade for them or draft a bunch of them. I'd argue we're in this mess because Bill has ignored the WR position for years and years. Given the current NFL you should be drafting a WR almost every year and I don't mean 6/7th round pick types either. I still have some hope Harry can be decent, yet he's not going to be close to a #1. So the fact you took in him in the first really means nothing going forward. It might be Bills greatest weakness over the last two decades, drafting and developing WRs. He takes Dobson and Boyce, they are busts. Yet he waits years to go after more. Nevermind the fact that you play 3-4 WRs most Downs in the NFL now. So you should be taking more WRs than any position besides OL on offense. Same thing with TE. Yeah he's taken three, one being a 7th round guy, yet that's after years of neglect. So he doesn't get a pass from be because he finally took two TEs last year. Maybe it was Brady because he's so damn picky, just look at his issues with Mike Evans. Yet he's gone and he didn't take a WR last year, yet again. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 7, 2021 20:04:52 GMT -5
I agree they need to draft receivers, but I think i disagree with your emphasis on it. They just dominated the league for 20 years and had a lot of good receiving/offensive groups without investing all that heavily in the position group. I don’t see very many teams with high cap space on receivers going deep. Maybe you can when your QB is on a rookie deal but after that it’s not easy.  Now looking at this your idea of drafting them constantly so you can churn them and not pay them top dollar does make sense, but I don’t really want a 20m receiver on the team unless i have a QB on a rookie deal. Mike Evan and Michael Thomas are 2 of the receivers on this list and their cap numbers are a lot lower this year than they are going to jump to starting next year. OBJ is on the list and he’s a traded guy who’s cap number for Cleveland is less than had they signed him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 7, 2021 23:58:35 GMT -5
The only way to avoid that is drafting well, you need explosive weapons in today's NFL.
If your Bill, are you trying to build another dynasty or go for one more championship?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 8, 2021 6:42:42 GMT -5
The only way to avoid that is drafting well, you need explosive weapons in today's NFL. If your Bill, are you trying to build another dynasty or go for one more championship? Today’s NFL as in the last 2 years? Because they won 3 and went to 4 the 5 years before that so unless you’re using a one year period plus a COViD season as the New NFL I’ll have to disagree and even then, that’s a small sample size to say that’s what you need. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 8, 2021 7:15:43 GMT -5
Watson....
2021 first
2022 first
2023 first
2021 4th
JC Jackson
Justin Herron
Stidham
Maybe you get a pick back like a 2023 3rd
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