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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 10, 2021 14:36:59 GMT -5
YUP, what 10 days on the practice squad. He throws a nice ball, of course that is after watching Cam throw all season. He looked better than Cam has in any game, made himself millions. Back up QB is the second best position in football - only surpassed by punter. Remember when Matt Flynn got paid by Seattle because he had that one good game against the Pats, but then never actually started a game for them? That would be a good outcome for any team that signs Heinicke for real money. It was a nice story, but I don't even want him as the backup. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 10, 2021 15:55:23 GMT -5
I remember Flynn and Rob Johnson among others. I would give the guy a chance, throws a better ball than Cam.
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Post by cdj on Jan 10, 2021 16:30:14 GMT -5
Last night Taylor Heinicke looked better in all aspects of QB play than Newton did at any point this past season for the Pats. If not for dropped passes the WFT may have upset the Bucs. I really don't remember more than a couple throws that weren't very catchable, guy played lights out. And that is after only one month from being signed to the practice squad. Former Patriot Future patriot  |
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Post by cdj on Jan 10, 2021 16:31:52 GMT -5
YUP, what 10 days on the practice squad. He throws a nice ball, of course that is after watching Cam throw all season. He looked better than Cam has in any game, made himself millions. Agree up until the last part, I thought Cam had a couple really high end games. The Seahawks one was probably his best. The problem is they were few and far between and the other games he was pretty atrocious I’d give Heineke a contract this offseason and draft a QB and throw them at the wall and see what sticks |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 11, 2021 7:31:00 GMT -5
Almost every QB looks better than Newton, I thought Mitchell Trubisky looked a lot better than Cam. Now guys dropped passes and he didn't put up huge numbers, yet he made timing throws Newton didn't make all year. He allowed his WRs to make plays. It doesn't take much to look better than Newton, who basically only can throw if a guys open.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 11, 2021 10:59:09 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 11, 2021 12:54:06 GMT -5
Mock drafts in January are meaningless / they are 80% writer BS. I can almost promise you that 4 QBs won’t go in the top 15 let alone 5 in the top 10. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 12, 2021 15:14:53 GMT -5
The amount of QBs drafted is about need and quality. While it's unlikely 5 go top 15, there's certainly a chance with this group if they don't have character concerns.
Lawrence about a top of a guy as you get, Fields seen as also a top talent, Jones and Wilson had big seasons and Lance is a big upside dual threat guy.
It's an interesting group, even the tiers after those five. Depending if we have a combine, things could get interesting.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 12, 2021 16:26:26 GMT -5
Nothing would shock me but history says no more than 3 are going top 10 but it’s a weird year all around.
Lance is a weird case too... basically no games this year. That’s a tough jump to take in the top 10z
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 12, 2021 18:44:10 GMT -5
Nothing would shock me but history says no more than 3 are going top 10 but it’s a weird year all around. Lance is a weird case too... basically no games this year. That’s a tough jump to take in the top 10z Why does history say that? We had four in top ten in 2018, five in top 12 in 1999. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 12, 2021 19:04:19 GMT -5
Nothing would shock me but history says no more than 3 are going top 10 but it’s a weird year all around. Lance is a weird case too... basically no games this year. That’s a tough jump to take in the top 10z Why does history say that? We had four in top ten in 2018, five in top 12 in 1999. Because once in the last 20 years says it’s not likely and out of the guys they talk about every year at this point and leading up to the draft usually at least one falls. Like Haskins 2 years ago. I should have said history tells us it’s not likely to happens |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 13, 2021 11:13:01 GMT -5
I don't really see how history matters, it's how good they are, teams needs and if they have any red flags.
I would say recent history says the chances are better than ever. Your once in 20 years was two years ago, add in the 2017 draft and drafting first round QBs is going to be all the rage.
The real question is do enough teams have a need and is this class good enough?
I think we know why Haskins fell in the draft and for every Haskins you get a Jones who goes much higher.
I don't disagree it's unlikely, yet I sure don't know if Lance is a Josh Allen type or a Jordan Love type. This could be an epic QB class or an overrated one.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 13, 2021 12:14:40 GMT -5
This year had three top 5 QB talents coming into the season, with two justifying their status and the 3rd not playing enough to refute his measurables. Out of 5 or so "maybe they emerge" folks, Mac Jones comes roaring in, and Zach Wilson comes out of nowhere. None of the Kelly Mond/Brock Purdy types got there, but Trask is at least more interesting than a year ago. So the reason we're even talking about 5 in the top 15 is the normal ebb and flow had all flow and no ebb.
Dane Brugler says evaluators think next year is a bad class which might make folks more aggressive this year. Sounds like scout-speak that they spout every year, though (except last year given T-Law/Fields/Lance). Actually, scratch that, I feel like more often than not it's "next years QBs are better than this year's crop."
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 16, 2021 14:59:03 GMT -5
While typically not a Patriots type QB, I do wonder if Trey Lance is a target.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2021 21:16:38 GMT -5
There are reports that Brees is retiring at the end of the year. The Saints Cap situation is so bad, he really has to. I have a Brees retiring and cut: Jenkins, Alexander, Ramscyk, Lattimore, Easton, Brown and Josh Hill and they are still almost 27m OVER the cap.
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Post by cdj on Jan 17, 2021 23:33:38 GMT -5
There are reports that Brees is retiring at the end of the year. The Saints Cap situation is so bad, he really has to. I have a Brees retiring and cut: Jenkins, Alexander, Ramscyk, Lattimore, Easton, Brown and Josh Hill and they are still almost 27m OVER the cap. That’s bananas They gonna move Thomas for picks, they almost have to |
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Post by mobaz on Jan 18, 2021 6:45:25 GMT -5
Brees definitely looked cooked. Can't believe that team sold out so hard for one more SB and didn't even make one (with some instant classic bad breaks).
Brady is obviously benefiting from the talent around him. He's (understandably) lost 2 steps but can make a bunch of classic Brady plays, so if the D and run game hold that team has a chance (sound familiar?)
Pata team this year would not have been that much better with him given lack of pass catcher talent. I'd take all 5 top Tampa pass catchers before a single Patriots. At least the Pats cap "hell" was only 1 season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 18, 2021 7:31:48 GMT -5
There are reports that Brees is retiring at the end of the year. The Saints Cap situation is so bad, he really has to. I have a Brees retiring and cut: Jenkins, Alexander, Ramscyk, Lattimore, Easton, Brown and Josh Hill and they are still almost 27m OVER the cap. Brees has a 26 million dead cap hit, they could save more by a restructuring than him retiring. Yet there cap situation is as bad as it gets. So much dead money on almost everyone that just releasing guys isn't going to work. |
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Post by costpet on Jan 18, 2021 7:46:54 GMT -5
It's mid January and Brady is still playing. Sound familiar? Could GB underestimate him? He beat GB earlier this year and he's beaten KC in a playoff game. The guy just wins.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 18, 2021 8:06:08 GMT -5
There are reports that Brees is retiring at the end of the year. The Saints Cap situation is so bad, he really has to. I have a Brees retiring and cut: Jenkins, Alexander, Ramscyk, Lattimore, Easton, Brown and Josh Hill and they are still almost 27m OVER the cap. Brees has a 26 million dead cap hit, they could save more by a restructuring than him retiring. Yet there cap situation is as bad as it gets. So much dead money on almost everyone that just releasing guys isn't going to work. A handful of the guys I released gave zero dead money so they basically have to go. I think Jenoris Jenkins is the only guy on the list with a significant deadcap charge after release. The others you don’t save anything extra by restructuring. I’m not sure how retirement works but if it’s like cutting a player then the a post June 1 retirement spreads the cap hit over 2 seasons. His dead cap is $22.65m. They could restructure but you’d have to convince and old beat up Brees to come back and play a final season for relatively short money. I find that unlikely. Maybe he does the team a solid and he restructures to be a 3rd QB and do nothing and retires during the season. Could you do that? NFL would probably get mad eh? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 18, 2021 8:07:37 GMT -5
It's mid January and Brady is still playing. Sound familiar? Could GB underestimate him? He beat GB earlier this year and he's beaten KC in a playoff game. The guy just wins. I don’t think opposition has ever underestimated Brady. Maybe the 2001 Rams. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 18, 2021 9:00:35 GMT -5
Brees has a 26 million dead cap hit, they could save more by a restructuring than him retiring. Yet there cap situation is as bad as it gets. So much dead money on almost everyone that just releasing guys isn't going to work. A handful of the guys I released gave zero dead money so they basically have to go. I think Jenoris Jenkins is the only guy on the list with a significant deadcap charge after release. The others you don’t save anything extra by restructuring. I’m not sure how retirement works but if it’s like cutting a player then the a post June 1 retirement spreads the cap hit over 2 seasons. His dead cap is $22.65m. They could restructure but you’d have to convince and old beat up Brees to come back and play a final season for relatively short money. I find that unlikely. Maybe he does the team a solid and he restructures to be a 3rd QB and do nothing and retires during the season. Could you do that? NFL would probably get mad eh? There's 43.4 million in dead money on those contracts. A guy like Hill is 11.1 dead money, 16.1 million cap hit. It's the NFL, they can pay Bree's and lower his cap hit if they want to. That's easy, yet they'll have to face a huge hit at some point. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 18, 2021 9:01:47 GMT -5
It's mid January and Brady is still playing. Sound familiar? Could GB underestimate him? He beat GB earlier this year and he's beaten KC in a playoff game. The guy just wins. I don’t think opposition has ever underestimated Brady. Maybe the 2001 Rams. I wouldn't say maybe about the Rams. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 18, 2021 14:08:45 GMT -5
A handful of the guys I released gave zero dead money so they basically have to go. I think Jenoris Jenkins is the only guy on the list with a significant deadcap charge after release. The others you don’t save anything extra by restructuring. I’m not sure how retirement works but if it’s like cutting a player then the a post June 1 retirement spreads the cap hit over 2 seasons. His dead cap is $22.65m. They could restructure but you’d have to convince and old beat up Brees to come back and play a final season for relatively short money. I find that unlikely. Maybe he does the team a solid and he restructures to be a 3rd QB and do nothing and retires during the season. Could you do that? NFL would probably get mad eh? There's 43.4 million in dead money on those contracts. A guy like Hill is 11.1 dead money, 16.1 million cap hit. It's the NFL, they can pay Bree's and lower his cap hit if they want to. That's easy, yet they'll have to face a huge hit at some point. You have the wrong Hill (I should have been specific). I should add if you spread the Brees dead money over 2 years they get down to about 16m over the cap... so they are getting close. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 18, 2021 14:26:31 GMT -5
Looking more into the Brees contract - he already has a 5.75m charge from his original signing bonus and a 5.4m charge from his last restructure. There’s really no room to restructure him at a lower figure than the dead money they get by designating him a post June 1 cut or retirement.
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