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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Jan 19, 2021 8:21:19 GMT -5
Mac Jones to the Senior Bowl, probably a good move for him (if he does well!). Isn't he a Junior? EDIT I guess he redshirted
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 19, 2021 10:35:56 GMT -5
There's 43.4 million in dead money on those contracts. A guy like Hill is 11.1 dead money, 16.1 million cap hit. It's the NFL, they can pay Bree's and lower his cap hit if they want to. That's easy, yet they'll have to face a huge hit at some point. You have the wrong Hill (I should have been specific). I should add if you spread the Brees dead money over 2 years they get down to about 16m over the cap... so they are getting close. I assumed the Hill that makes big money, not the guy who saved you 2.6 million. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 19, 2021 10:40:37 GMT -5
Looking more into the Brees contract - he already has a 5.75m charge from his original signing bonus and a 5.4m charge from his last restructure. There’s really no room to restructure him at a lower figure than the dead money they get by designating him a post June 1 cut or retirement. Umm it's the NFL, it's easy to move money into the future, especially if he only wants to play one more year. Sign a three year extension, turn his $25 million salary into a bonus and spread it over four years. You'd get right about to that June one number, yet also make his dead cap over 30 million next year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 19, 2021 13:06:44 GMT -5
Looking more into the Brees contract - he already has a 5.75m charge from his original signing bonus and a 5.4m charge from his last restructure. There’s really no room to restructure him at a lower figure than the dead money they get by designating him a post June 1 cut or retirement. Umm it's the NFL, it's easy to move money into the future, especially if he only wants to play one more year. Sign a three year extension, turn his $25 million salary into a bonus and spread it over four years. You'd get right about to that June one number, yet also make his dead cap over 30 million next year. I understand it’s the NFL, and you can move a lot or money around. However, you can’t move previous signing bonus money that you’ve already prorated - his previous bonus money is 11.15m, which is the dead cap hit you receive for a post June 1 cut or retirement.  |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 19, 2021 13:08:29 GMT -5
You have the wrong Hill (I should have been specific). I should add if you spread the Brees dead money over 2 years they get down to about 16m over the cap... so they are getting close. I assumed the Hill that makes big money, not the guy who saved you 2.6 million. Yes that makes sense - i was looking for guys with little dead money (Jenkins and Brees were the exceptions) I figure Hill will be their QB next year, they may need to restructure him but that gets dangerous making that sort of long term commitment to him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 19, 2021 19:01:11 GMT -5
Umm it's the NFL, it's easy to move money into the future, especially if he only wants to play one more year. Sign a three year extension, turn his $25 million salary into a bonus and spread it over four years. You'd get right about to that June one number, yet also make his dead cap over 30 million next year. I understand it’s the NFL, and you can move a lot or money around. However, you can’t move previous signing bonus money that you’ve already prorated - his previous bonus money is 11.15m, which is the dead cap hit you receive for a post June 1 cut or retirement. Are you positive you can't move signing bonus money with an extension? By move I mean average it out over the extension years? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 20, 2021 7:09:40 GMT -5
I understand it’s the NFL, and you can move a lot or money around. However, you can’t move previous signing bonus money that you’ve already prorated - his previous bonus money is 11.15m, which is the dead cap hit you receive for a post June 1 cut or retirement. Are you positive you can't move signing bonus money with an extension? By move I mean average it out over the extension years? 98% positive - the nba and nfl salary caps have me uneasy recently but yes I’m comfortable saying that’s how it works without betting my life on it. I’ve seen examples of it and I know for a fact you can’t spread signing bonuses out more than 5 years and they need to be evenly spread so you can’t keep stretching previous bonuses violating these rules. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 20, 2021 11:28:24 GMT -5
Are you positive you can't move signing bonus money with an extension? By move I mean average it out over the extension years? 98% positive - the nba and nfl salary caps have me uneasy recently but yes I’m comfortable saying that’s how it works without betting my life on it. I’ve seen examples of it and I know for a fact you can’t spread signing bonuses out more than 5 years and they need to be evenly spread so you can’t keep stretching previous bonuses violating these rules. I think your confusing extensions and restructures. An extension is a new contract, so it doesn't break the five year rule. I'm certainly not positive, yet a quick search doesn't show me anything that says you can't do that, yet I'm not putting in hours trying to find it either, the NFL is way worse than the NBA. |
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Post by costpet on Jan 21, 2021 8:55:44 GMT -5
The Pats have something like $19 million in cap space, around the top 5 or so in the league. They need to use that to restock their team, as they have a lot of holes to fill. WR,QB,LB,TE are bare. Edelman, Hightower are probably gone. At 15 they're probably not going to get a top college QB in the draft. So, perhaps get a great WR in the draft, then trade for a decent QB. They can use all those picks, 5 in 2-4 rounds to get a couple of good linebackers. They also need help on the defensive line, which should be available with free agents. They've got the money and decent draft capital, so they could do a lot of fixing this year. Anyway, it will be interesting to see all of BB's moves and how he constructs his team next year. The team needs to get younger and better at the skill positions. And, please, no more CB's in the 2nd round.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 21, 2021 9:43:56 GMT -5
theathletic.com/2332366/2021/01/21/bruglers-top-100-nfl-draft-board/Dane Brugler Top 100 ($). Wide Receiver is crazy deep even with Olave going back to school. Some decent TEs in the 80 range, though I doubt the team will invest a 3rd Top 100 pick at the position even after uneven starts from Asaisi and Keene. There also should be some decent upside backs around the 3rd/4th turn if it goes down like this. Pats should invest in 1st or 2nd tier of WR FA market and get a high floor receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round. Don't ask me about defense, I follow college skill position players more closely.
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Post by cdj on Jan 21, 2021 13:05:47 GMT -5
I was watching Waddle tape and I felt tingly
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Post by texs31 on Jan 21, 2021 16:02:18 GMT -5
Apparently, Kwity Paye recently ran a ridiculous 3-Cone drill which means he just jumped to the top of Bill's draft board.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 22, 2021 0:08:38 GMT -5
98% positive - the nba and nfl salary caps have me uneasy recently but yes I’m comfortable saying that’s how it works without betting my life on it. I’ve seen examples of it and I know for a fact you can’t spread signing bonuses out more than 5 years and they need to be evenly spread so you can’t keep stretching previous bonuses violating these rules. I think your confusing extensions and restructures. An extension is a new contract, so it doesn't break the five year rule. I'm certainly not positive, yet a quick search doesn't show me anything that says you can't do that, yet I'm not putting in hours trying to find it either, the NFL is way worse than the NBA. I talked to Miguel from Pats cap, you cannot manipulate or change any bonus money that’s already been prorated. You’re stuck with those figures as soon as they are done. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 22, 2021 0:10:00 GMT -5
The Pats have something like $19 million in cap space, around the top 5 or so in the league. They need to use that to restock their team, as they have a lot of holes to fill. WR,QB,LB,TE are bare. Edelman, Hightower are probably gone. At 15 they're probably not going to get a top college QB in the draft. So, perhaps get a great WR in the draft, then trade for a decent QB. They can use all those picks, 5 in 2-4 rounds to get a couple of good linebackers. They also need help on the defensive line, which should be available with free agents. They've got the money and decent draft capital, so they could do a lot of fixing this year. Anyway, it will be interesting to see all of BB's moves and how he constructs his team next year. The team needs to get younger and better at the skill positions. And, please, no more CB's in the 2nd round. Pats have $57.3M according to over the cap and everywhere else I've seen numbers posted. Hightower saves the team $10M if he's let go. Pats have 60m per Miguel and his numbers are always super accurate. |
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Post by rminns10 on Jan 22, 2021 7:49:01 GMT -5
I was watching Waddle tape and I felt tingly Watch Jamar Chase tape and you may have a stroke, hes phenomenal. |
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Post by costpet on Jan 22, 2021 9:13:58 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to get Watson? Would a 2nd, 2 3rds, and a 4 do it? Am I dreaming?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 22, 2021 9:18:06 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to get Watson? Would a 2nd, 2 3rds, and a 4 do it? Am I dreaming? Is that in addition to 3 first round picks or no? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 22, 2021 12:25:50 GMT -5
I think your confusing extensions and restructures. An extension is a new contract, so it doesn't break the five year rule. I'm certainly not positive, yet a quick search doesn't show me anything that says you can't do that, yet I'm not putting in hours trying to find it either, the NFL is way worse than the NBA. I talked to Miguel from Pats cap, you cannot manipulate or change any bonus money that’s already been prorated. You’re stuck with those figures as soon as they are done. Can I see what you asked and what he said? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 22, 2021 12:28:44 GMT -5
We can't know the amount the Patriots have till we know the cap and that's very up in the air right now.
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Post by philarhody on Jan 22, 2021 12:31:14 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to get Watson? Would a 2nd, 2 3rds, and a 4 do it? Am I dreaming? You’re probably dreaming. Although I think the actual price will be dependent upon whether the Jets or Dolphins are in on the bidding. If not, the Patriots could totally be players. |
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Post by bcpatsox18 on Jan 22, 2021 12:47:42 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to get Watson? Would a 2nd, 2 3rds, and a 4 do it? Am I dreaming? They need to godfather the Texans for Watson. Caserio isn’t going to take a 2nd and some mid rounders from anyone especially not his old boss and look like he’s doing him a solid. That being said, with the way bill Has drafted rounds 1-2 the past decade or so I’m totally fine with sending 3 firsts their way for a bonafide star QB in his prime. Bill has always been better building teams through low demand free agents, I drafted guys, and rounds 3-7. Trade for Watson and sign Robinson/schuster/Godwin and we’re right back on track |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 22, 2021 12:55:22 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to get Watson? Would a 2nd, 2 3rds, and a 4 do it? Am I dreaming? You’re probably dreaming. Although I think the actual price will be dependent upon whether the Jets or Dolphins are in on the bidding. If not, the Patriots could totally be players. The real factor in the price is Watson and his desire to leave. He can pretty much force their hand but he also has a full no trade so he can kind of dictate where he goes so you can probably scratch the Jets off the list even though they have a lot of “ammo”. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 22, 2021 14:38:43 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 22, 2021 15:57:30 GMT -5
It’s not a sexy pick but it’s probably a great one. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 22, 2021 17:22:52 GMT -5
Patricia is back on the Patriots staff... good move - maybe a bad head coach but was good as a staffer.
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