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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 7, 2021 17:22:00 GMT -5
Out of the top 25 OTs entering the 2020 season per PFF they averaged 11.6 games played, only 12 out the 25 played 80% or more of the snaps last year. These are the best of the best and only eight out of the 25 players played all 16 games.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 7, 2021 18:09:23 GMT -5
Out of the top 25 OTs entering the 2020 season per PFF they averaged 11.6 games played, only 12 out the 25 played 80% or more of the snaps last year. These are the best of the best and only eight out of the 25 players played all 16 games. So another thing he’s below average at? 😏
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Post by rjp313jr on May 7, 2021 18:31:00 GMT -5
www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/05/07/patriots-rookie-development-plan-wr-tre-nixon-central-florida-7th-round/Unlike a lot of other teams — and this is part of the reason why they’re the Patriots and everyone else isn’t — the Patriots do not hand their draft picks starting positions or main roles before they even set foot on a field or prove themselves. Often, that’s a path to failure for many rookies. The Patriots, instead, put their rookies on the road to success by giving them smaller, defined roles to start with, which then, perhaps, can be expanded once they master the basics. Michael Lombardi, who has longtime ties to Bill Belichick and was recently a personnel executive with the team, touched on this in his podcast, The GM Shuffle, a few years ago.... Once you draft these guys, you have to have a plan for these guys because if you give them the Manhattan phone directory and say, ‘Learn this,’ he ain’t learning it — you might as well put him off for next year. So you have to define the role for the player as soon as you draft a player. What New England will do is say (Chase) Winovich, he’ll come in and here’s his role. He’s going to play, this, this, X, Y and Z. That’s all. Once he gets that, then maybe we’ll teach him a little bit more. We’ll start to grow him, allow him to grow more. … You have to develop the player. That allows him to have an impact on your team moving forward.” The Patriots’ approach has been confirmed by multiple team sources and, frankly, it’s fairly obvious if you’ve been paying attention. Patriots draft picks, even if they’re taken in the first round, are not relied upon to start a season unless it’s complete desperation at their position. This is very much by design. “Good teams can take players in Round 1 and develop them. The bad teams have to rely on them,” said a team source.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 8, 2021 9:39:54 GMT -5
Out of the top 25 OTs entering the 2020 season per PFF they averaged 11.6 games played, only 12 out the 25 played 80% or more of the snaps last year. These are the best of the best and only eight out of the 25 players played all 16 games. So another thing he’s below average at? 😏 Staying healthy is the only thing he's below average at. It's funny next year you'll act like you didn't say negative things about him.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 8, 2021 11:48:14 GMT -5
So another thing he’s below average at? 😏 Staying healthy is the only thing he's below average at. It's funny next year you'll act like you didn't say negative things about him. Funny, I don’t think I’ve said much of anything negative about him. And my last post was a joke to needle you. I’ll be very happy if Wynn just stays healthy and is the same player he’s been. I’ll be even happier if he stays healthy and improves his pass blocking to be on par with his run blocking.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 8, 2021 13:07:42 GMT -5
Staying healthy is the only thing he's below average at. It's funny next year you'll act like you didn't say negative things about him. Funny, I don’t think I’ve said much of anything negative about him. And my last post was a joke to needle you. I’ll be very happy if Wynn just stays healthy and is the same player he’s been. I’ll be even happier if he stays healthy and improves his pass blocking to be on par with his run blocking. I know you don't think that, that's why I said it.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 9, 2021 6:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on May 9, 2021 6:46:50 GMT -5
This is my favorite story about Jones and it once again makes me think about Brady. His will to compete and be the best while proving people wrong and overcoming doubters has Brady written all over it. His ability to read the D and take what they are giving him is what made Brady great, don't be greedy, just take what the D is giving you is the backbone of Bradys career. Be patient and on time, his accuracy lets the WR stay in stride and make big plays out of short slants. I have been on the Mac Jones bandwagon for a while but I am now becoming really optimistic that he is going to have a very very good career. The Athletic is worth the subscription price IMO. theathletic.com/2560605/2021/05/02/how-mac-jones-long-before-patriots-found-him-willed-his-way-onto-the-recruiting-circuit/
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 9, 2021 10:41:44 GMT -5
PATRIOTS WRs rank once again as one of the slowest units in the NFL, just like last year. Only one player can help change that and it's Tre Nixon unless they bring in some more players. So he's about as important as any 7th round pick in recent memory. Help stretch the field for the running game and your short to mid range receiving weapons.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 9, 2021 10:57:21 GMT -5
PATRIOTS WRs rank once again as one of the slowest units in the NFL, just like last year. Only one player can help change that and it's Tre Nixon unless they bring in some more players. So he's about as important as any 7th round pick in recent memory. Help stretch the field for the running game and your short to mid range receiving weapons. I think it makes Algholor the more important guy.
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Post by cdj on May 9, 2021 11:43:07 GMT -5
Agholor was at the top of the league in YPC last year, we have somebody to stretch the field. Not concerned about that.
If he goes down however.....different story. Would really, really need Nixon to step up in that scenario
I saw some video of him and he’s better than I expected. Pretty good at getting off the line. Makes plays in all 3 levels. We may have found something in the 7th, I have a feeling if he didn’t get hurt he would’ve gone higher
*when I say “found something” I mean found a possible NFL player, not found a #1 or #2 or anything
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Post by philarhody on May 9, 2021 11:43:44 GMT -5
This is my favorite story about Jones and it once again makes me think about Brady. His will to compete and be the best while proving people wrong and overcoming doubters has Brady written all over it. His ability to read the D and take what they are giving him is what made Brady great, don't be greedy, just take what the D is giving you is the backbone of Bradys career. Be patient and on time, his accuracy lets the WR stay in stride and make big plays out of short slants. I have been on the Mac Jones bandwagon for a while but I am now becoming really optimistic that he is going to have a very very good career. The Athletic is worth the subscription price IMO. theathletic.com/2560605/2021/05/02/how-mac-jones-long-before-patriots-found-him-willed-his-way-onto-the-recruiting-circuit/I’ve devoured everything I can on this kid. He just has it. It seems like he has an indomitable spirit. I think the Brady comps are honestly fair. Physically, Brady is a bit of a freak IMO. I went back and watched a pro bowl skills competition between Brady and Manning and some other players early on. And Brady was chucking it just as far as any of the other guys. The narrative that Brady had underwhelming arm strength was simply wrong. He was a 6’4 athlete who was drafted as a left handed hitting catcher out of high school. Yeah he couldn’t run. But he was as smooth in the pocket as any quarterback ever. Jones ran a faster 40 at his pro day than Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith did at their combine. He clearly gained weight so that he could deal with the pounding of the SEC. He was a wiry stick in high school. I don’t think he has an awesome arm, but he has a super quick release and I can envision him gaining some rpms as he hits the weight room. Everyone overthought this draft. Most teams wanted athletes they could scheme around. Why not draft a quarterback that can operate your scheme? The thing I like the most about Mac Jones? Attitude. Super positive energy.
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Post by cdj on May 9, 2021 11:45:47 GMT -5
His Bama receivers love him to death, that says a lot to me
Waddle and Smith both preferred him over Tua
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 9, 2021 12:13:02 GMT -5
I won't disagree that Agholor is the most important guy. Yet what if he misses five games like in 2019? You need depth, look last year after Edelman got injured. Nevermind who's the QB? I have big doubts that Newton can use Agholor like Carr did. Bryd got open a bunch last year and Newton just didn't have the accuracy to hit him. It's crazy important given the system they seem to want to run.
It's just like with Bryd last year, opening up the offense all on one guys shoulders. Outside of Agholor, only Nixon has the speed to scare DBs. Get them to play a high safety because they fear getting beat deep. Without that, teams bunch up the D, take away the short to medium routes and basically dare you to beat them. That means more pressure and makes it harder to run the ball.
NFL.com comped Nixon to Robby Anderson, which is perfect. If you had Robby Anderson on one side, Agholor on the other, a slot guy, then two TE's that's exactly what you want. Well if Newton has the ability to actually use those guys.
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Post by mobaz on May 9, 2021 16:13:25 GMT -5
I won't disagree that Agholor is the most important guy. Yet what if he misses five games like in 2019? You need depth, look last year after Edelman got injured. Nevermind who's the QB? I have big doubts that Newton can use Agholor like Carr did. Bryd got open a bunch last year and Newton just didn't have the accuracy to hit him. It's crazy important given the system they seem to want to run. It's just like with Bryd last year, opening up the offense all on one guys shoulders. Outside of Agholor, only Nixon has the speed to scare DBs. Get them to play a high safety because they fear getting beat deep. Without that, teams bunch up the D, take away the short to medium routes and basically dare you to beat them. That means more pressure and makes it harder to run the ball. NFL.com comped Nixon to Robby Anderson, which is perfect. If you had Robby Anderson on one side, Agholor on the other, a slot guy, then two TE's that's exactly what you want. Well if Newton has the ability to actually use those guys. Agholor was never that guy until last season. Worries me quite a bit.
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Post by cdj on May 9, 2021 23:42:12 GMT -5
I won't disagree that Agholor is the most important guy. Yet what if he misses five games like in 2019? You need depth, look last year after Edelman got injured. Nevermind who's the QB? I have big doubts that Newton can use Agholor like Carr did. Bryd got open a bunch last year and Newton just didn't have the accuracy to hit him. It's crazy important given the system they seem to want to run. It's just like with Bryd last year, opening up the offense all on one guys shoulders. Outside of Agholor, only Nixon has the speed to scare DBs. Get them to play a high safety because they fear getting beat deep. Without that, teams bunch up the D, take away the short to medium routes and basically dare you to beat them. That means more pressure and makes it harder to run the ball. NFL.com comped Nixon to Robby Anderson, which is perfect. If you had Robby Anderson on one side, Agholor on the other, a slot guy, then two TE's that's exactly what you want. Well if Newton has the ability to actually use those guys. Agholor was never that guy until last season. Worries me quite a bit. He was also never tried in that role before last season though. To me it’s promising if anything because it can explain his jump in production/usefulness. It’s not necessarily an outlier year- it could just be his new normal
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Post by rjp313jr on May 10, 2021 11:33:02 GMT -5
The reality is, you’re never going to have great backup options for every position on the field. Even when Brady was here, there were years they probably didn’t win it because Gronk was hurt or Edelman or Hightower, etc. That’s the nature of the beast.
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Post by texs31 on May 10, 2021 12:11:46 GMT -5
Harvey Langi returning to Foxboro per Mike Reiss.
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Post by texs31 on May 10, 2021 12:13:23 GMT -5
Took a quick look at the 3rd WR during the Gronk/Hernandez years (relevant given the likely focus on a 2 TE offense). Woof.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 10, 2021 14:21:11 GMT -5
I won't disagree that Agholor is the most important guy. Yet what if he misses five games like in 2019? You need depth, look last year after Edelman got injured. Nevermind who's the QB? I have big doubts that Newton can use Agholor like Carr did. Bryd got open a bunch last year and Newton just didn't have the accuracy to hit him. It's crazy important given the system they seem to want to run. It's just like with Bryd last year, opening up the offense all on one guys shoulders. Outside of Agholor, only Nixon has the speed to scare DBs. Get them to play a high safety because they fear getting beat deep. Without that, teams bunch up the D, take away the short to medium routes and basically dare you to beat them. That means more pressure and makes it harder to run the ball. NFL.com comped Nixon to Robby Anderson, which is perfect. If you had Robby Anderson on one side, Agholor on the other, a slot guy, then two TE's that's exactly what you want. Well if Newton has the ability to actually use those guys. Nixon, Ernie Adams last contribution to the Pats. That alone means he should have a good career.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 11, 2021 7:42:19 GMT -5
Took a quick look at the 3rd WR during the Gronk/Hernandez years (relevant given the likely focus on a 2 TE offense). Woof. Umm you think that’s a fair comp? In 2010 they had over 2,200 yards and 24 TDs. Neither Smith or Henry have even matched Hernandez best year, nevermind Gronk. Per fantasy points the two guys we signed were 9th and 11th. Massive upgrade over what we had, yet not the type of TEs that stretch the field and thus can make up for a lack of WRs. They need WRs to open up the short and middle for them to work. More importantly we no longer have Tom Brady.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 11, 2021 7:58:34 GMT -5
Took a quick look at the 3rd WR during the Gronk/Hernandez years (relevant given the likely focus on a 2 TE offense). Woof. Umm you think that’s a fair comp? In 2010 they had over 2,200 yards and 24 TDs. Neither Smith or Henry have even matched Hernandez best year, nevermind Gronk. Per fantasy points the two guys we signed were 9th and 11th. Massive upgrade over what we had, yet not the type of TEs that stretch the field and thus can make up for a lack of WRs. They need WRs to open up the short and middle for them to work. More importantly we no longer have Tom Brady. Did we just go fantasy points?
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Post by texs31 on May 11, 2021 8:57:20 GMT -5
The last time the Patriots played mostly 2 TE sets was during that stretch. The players in question (Gronk, Hernandez and Brady) are only relevant if ANYONE was comparing the success of that offense to any predictions of THIS year.
Since NOBODY was . . .
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 11, 2021 9:15:13 GMT -5
Umm you think that’s a fair comp? In 2010 they had over 2,200 yards and 24 TDs. Neither Smith or Henry have even matched Hernandez best year, nevermind Gronk. Per fantasy points the two guys we signed were 9th and 11th. Massive upgrade over what we had, yet not the type of TEs that stretch the field and thus can make up for a lack of WRs. They need WRs to open up the short and middle for them to work. More importantly we no longer have Tom Brady. Did we just go fantasy points? If you want to judge guys based on pass production it's a good Stat, as it only cares about receptions, yards and TDs.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 11, 2021 10:33:56 GMT -5
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