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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
mobaz
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Post by mobaz on May 12, 2021 8:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 13, 2021 8:23:23 GMT -5
The question I have looking at that list is why is Josh Uche listed as a LB versus edge player? I've seen people speculate that his athletic profile could allow that, like a Derek Rivers, yet I didn't see him do anything other than rush the passer last year. He did nothing but rush the passer in College. His 7 QB hits were third on the team in a limited amount of snaps. Jennings is much more of a LB than Uche is, that's what he did in College, he had 18 PDs which is a very good number for a LB. Uche had two his whole college career, for example. With the drafting of Perkins, if he's a good as people think. Then yeah maybe it's time to trade Chase Winovich. Wait till training camp, see how guys look, wait for injuries around the league. If you stay healthy, Winovich can likely get you a good pick. |
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Post by cdj on May 13, 2021 8:49:05 GMT -5
The question I have looking at that list is why is Josh Uche listed as a LB versus edge player? I've seen people speculate that his athletic profile could allow that, like a Derek Rivers, yet I didn't see him do anything other than rush the passer last year. He did nothing but rush the passer in College. His 7 QB hits were third on the team in a limited amount of snaps. Jennings is much more of a LB than Uche is, that's what he did in College, he had 18 PDs which is a very good number for a LB. Uche had two his whole college career, for example. With the drafting of Perkins, if he's a good as people think. Then yeah maybe it's time to trade Chase Winovich. Wait till training camp, see how guys look, wait for injuries around the league. If you stay healthy, Winovich can likely get you a good pick. I think they intend on using Uche in multiple spots. Ultimately he should be an EDGE guy imo but I expect to see him off the line a bunch, I think they love his athleticism and are gonna try to turn him into Collins. That seem to simplify things for rookies so it doesn’t surprise me that they basically used him as a situational pass rusher I’d personally only worry about sending him after the QB but that’s just me. I think he can be a special pass rusher provided the opportunity |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 13, 2021 9:27:39 GMT -5
Patriot edge players will always do different things. So I have no doubt they move him around, yet that's a huge difference than calling him a LB versus edge player. Collins was a former DB, even Van Noy did a lot more coverage in College than Uche did. Uche was basically just a pass rushers in College. Playing only 52% of the snaps the year before he was drafted. It's why there was so much debate about what he does in the NFL. He doesn't have the size to be a full time edge player. Yet he was drafted because of his pass rushing skills. I'm sure they'll try expanding his skill set, yet I've seen nothing and heard nothing that says he's more LB versus edge guy. Yet so many people list him as a LB. Let's wait till camp to see if that actually happens before changing his position. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bill-belichick-s-praise-for-josh-uche-seems-to-explain-his-limited-role/ar-BB1bJVnY |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 13, 2021 11:32:42 GMT -5
The question I have looking at that list is why is Josh Uche listed as a LB versus edge player? I've seen people speculate that his athletic profile could allow that, like a Derek Rivers, yet I didn't see him do anything other than rush the passer last year. He did nothing but rush the passer in College. His 7 QB hits were third on the team in a limited amount of snaps. Jennings is much more of a LB than Uche is, that's what he did in College, he had 18 PDs which is a very good number for a LB. Uche had two his whole college career, for example. With the drafting of Perkins, if he's a good as people think. Then yeah maybe it's time to trade Chase Winovich. Wait till training camp, see how guys look, wait for injuries around the league. If you stay healthy, Winovich can likely get you a good pick. My best guess would be because he looks at him as a rush linebacker versus a true edge who can theoretically set the edge versus the run but please don’t overly look into that it’s just a guess... i feel like it gets very difficult to slot guys into one position so I try not to over analyze that part of it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 14, 2021 5:09:31 GMT -5
I really don’t care about the schedule release or making record predictions at this point in time, but the first part of the Patriots schedule seems soft which is good for a team with so many new people. However, what if they are winning games but Cam Newton doesn’t look great? Will they make a move based on how he looks and bench him if the wins are coming?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 14, 2021 8:12:42 GMT -5
The question I have looking at that list is why is Josh Uche listed as a LB versus edge player? I've seen people speculate that his athletic profile could allow that, like a Derek Rivers, yet I didn't see him do anything other than rush the passer last year. He did nothing but rush the passer in College. His 7 QB hits were third on the team in a limited amount of snaps. Jennings is much more of a LB than Uche is, that's what he did in College, he had 18 PDs which is a very good number for a LB. Uche had two his whole college career, for example. With the drafting of Perkins, if he's a good as people think. Then yeah maybe it's time to trade Chase Winovich. Wait till training camp, see how guys look, wait for injuries around the league. If you stay healthy, Winovich can likely get you a good pick. My best guess would be because he looks at him as a rush linebacker versus a true edge who can theoretically set the edge versus the run but please don’t overly look into that it’s just a guess... i feel like it gets very difficult to slot guys into one position so I try not to over analyze that part of it. That's just another Winovich in my book. Uche just has a chance to be elite at it, where Winovich is just rather good. Yet it does matter for 53 projections. I'd expect guys like Van Noy and Jennings to play more LB than Uche. Van Noy might be the most underrated signing because he can do everything. Too many edge players you want to keep, stick him at LB he's very good at that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 14, 2021 8:25:54 GMT -5
I really don’t care about the schedule release or making record predictions at this point in time, but the first part of the Patriots schedule seems soft which is good for a team with so many new people. However, what if they are winning games but Cam Newton doesn’t look great? Will they make a move based on how he looks and bench him if the wins are coming? I don't think I'd call the Dolphins, Jets, Saints and Bucs a soft schedule to start with. Lesson from last year, it's not really how Newton plays, it's how Mac Jones plays and looks. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 14, 2021 8:57:18 GMT -5
I think it's reasonable to say that if the Patriots are winning games Cam Newton is at the very least playing marginally better than last year. Not placing my bets on another MVP year but I think it's plausible his 2021 is better than his 2020.
I know the narrative is Mac is the most NFL-ready QB, but I still think there's tremendous value in sitting for a year (or close to it) and learning a pro system, getting in the training room, and adding a little arm strength, etc. I'm not sold on Miami, Wilson, and I don't think the Saints will be tough without Brees. I say we get off to a 2-2 start.
Personally, I don't think there's a chance in hell the Mac Jones starting talk starts until at the very least mid-season, and that centers around either injury or bad play. I think the question worth asking is at what point does Mac Jones becomes the #2 QB on this team? Because we know BB is going to start Cam week 1-8 no matter how bad he is, but he's got to start the backup if he gets injured. I don't think he throws Mac in there in week 1 so when does he become the #2 option? can he earn it in the preseason? or no?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 14, 2021 9:18:42 GMT -5
Do you buy the Patriots won't take a QB top 15 unless they think he can be a top 10 guy his rookie year? I personally think that's crap, yet it's out there from a guy that really knows Bill.
I don't think Bill acts that way. Yeah in a perfect world Newton does crazy well and Mac Jones gets a year to sit and learn. Yet if Mac Jones is ready and he's clearly better than Newton I don't think Bill is going to ignore that. Yet that's asking a ton of a rookie QB coming into our offense. Everything is really about Mac Jones, he shows up day one of mini camp and is clearly out playing Cam Newton I wouldn't bet against him starting week one. If I had to guess right now before any reports of how he looks and how he's picking up the offense, yeah mid point of the season sounds about right.
I expect Newton will look better, I mean he couldn't look much worse. Yet with his accuracy issues, he's never going to be a perfect fit. Unless more rest for his shoulder changes things, yet he's never been a crazy accurate passer. So the Door is always going to be open for Mac Jones.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 14, 2021 10:02:54 GMT -5
I think Cam will be better also. But if he isn't Bill won't hesitate to start Jones if he thinks that he gives them a better chance of winning. I know that sounds simplistic but BB is BB and that is his motto. The question is how long a leash does Cam have if he isn't better, not long I would imagine.
If Mac shows he is advanced in practice and is playing better than Cam nothing would surprise me. Bill looks at a season as the time to build what he wants and we all know that they get better as the year goes on. Well if BB is thinking like that it could effect his decision to build with Mac if he thinks he will get better.
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2021 15:02:02 GMT -5
I think QB is such an important position that Bill is simply going to play whoever is better there. I wouldn’t bet on it being Mac immediately but it wouldn’t totally surprise me if he does play opening day.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 14, 2021 17:42:02 GMT -5
Dre Kirkpatrick was in on a free agent visit today. Would be an interesting third corner.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 15, 2021 12:11:57 GMT -5
His advanced numbers scare the hell out of me. Much better options out there in my opinion. Add that to what teams are now paying him and he's just not the player he once was. His best skill seems to be just giving up yards and completions and limiting TDs. Add in the missed tackles and you see why he has a 49 PFF grade.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2021 10:50:13 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 17, 2021 10:52:26 GMT -5
 All his snaps were at right guard... depth move to protect against injury in camp is my guess. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 18, 2021 5:33:44 GMT -5
I didn’t realize Barmore hadn’t started playing football until his senior year of high school. I realize there are red flags about his personality, which isn’t a small thing, but this guy has game changer type talent which is why Bill traded up for him.
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Post by cdj on May 18, 2021 7:45:52 GMT -5
They brought back Hoyer lol
Maybe just a camp body to teach Mac but if it’s not then boy oh boy they must not be high on Stidham
Hoyer was dead to me the second he took that sack at the end of the half against KC
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Post by rminns10 on May 18, 2021 9:19:43 GMT -5
just hire the guy as an assistant coach and save the roster spot
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 18, 2021 13:18:38 GMT -5
I actually love the Hoyer signing and yeah it's all about having a veteran QB to help Mac Jones. Whatever the money is, it's worth it. You want a guy like that being on the field with Jones. He knows our offense inside and out, Cam Newton admits he struggled with it last year.
The interesting thing is how do you run and prepare a Newton offense, while also developing Mac Jones? Well having Newton and Stidham do one thing, while Hoyer and Mac Jones do something else makes a lot of sense. Hoyer on the field as a player can do more for Jones than as a coach. Newton can show him how to work hard, yet that's about it.
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Post by texs31 on May 18, 2021 13:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on May 18, 2021 14:48:50 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on May 18, 2021 15:54:49 GMT -5
Najee Toran waived today.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 18, 2021 16:47:59 GMT -5
Najee Toran waived today. Who? |
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Post by texs31 on May 18, 2021 18:22:45 GMT -5
Backup G/C. Sat out last year. Think he was on practice squad (or maybe 53 by EOY) the year prior.
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