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Post by rjp313jr on May 19, 2021 5:34:22 GMT -5
A lot of good insight here from Bedard. I’ve included one thing he touched on below. I don’t much care for Bedard personally, but I think he’s the best Patriots writer out there. Not always right and i don’t always agree with him, but he’s extremely neutral and has some great insights. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/05/18/bedard-no-the-brian-hoyer-signing-doesnt-say-anything-about-cam-newton-or-jarrett-stidham-yet.html“You also have to keep in mind that NFL coaches are restricted by the collective bargaining agreement to the amount of time they can personally spend coaching each player. During Phase 2 (current phase), players are allowed to be in the facility for a max of four hours per day for four days (no weekends). That includes practice, lifting, lunch, etc. Phase 3 it's six hours. Minicamp it's 10 hours per day. That leaves a lot of time where the players are on their own and can't be taught by their coaches. Would you rather have Jones spending his free time with Newton and Stidham, or hanging out at the Hoyer Compound with some film sessions mixed in during BBQ time? To get that, you need him on the payroll.” |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 19, 2021 8:36:04 GMT -5
The Hoyer signing will show you how much they like Stidham. If Stidham makes the team, they still really like him because if you don't Hoyer makes more sense for Jones.
I'm surprised we're adding OL depth, one of the deepest areas on the team versus CB/WR, two of the weaker spots on the team.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 19, 2021 9:23:48 GMT -5
The Hoyer signing will show you how much they like Stidham. If Stidham makes the team, they still really like him because if you don't Hoyer makes more sense for Jones. I'm surprised we're adding OL depth, one of the deepest areas on the team versus CB/WR, two of the weaker spots on the team. OL is a position you want a lot of bodies for camp. |
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Post by texs31 on May 19, 2021 9:36:18 GMT -5
I'd also add that signing is a two-way street. They DID bring in a CB. Just didn't sign (yet).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 19, 2021 11:38:15 GMT -5
The Hoyer signing will show you how much they like Stidham. If Stidham makes the team, they still really like him because if you don't Hoyer makes more sense for Jones. I'm surprised we're adding OL depth, one of the deepest areas on the team versus CB/WR, two of the weaker spots on the team. OL is a position you want a lot of bodies for camp. I won't argue that, I want to see weaker positions also addressed. There's a legit opening at CB given Williams and Bryant are the current depth holders. Difference between depth and a guy that could actually make the 53 man opening day roster. |
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Post by texs31 on May 20, 2021 13:48:53 GMT -5
Patriots signing S Adrian Colbert per Schefter.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 20, 2021 15:04:13 GMT -5
just hire the guy as an assistant coach and save the roster spot Coaches are restricted with how much time they can spend with players. Hoyer is not. Also, Hoyer knows the offense better than anyone but Josh and Bill |
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Post by mobaz on May 20, 2021 15:09:44 GMT -5
RB and two-time SB champion Tyler Gaffney has re-signed with the Pats after playing baseball for a bit!
In case you need a refresher of his Patriots career, here is his PFR transaction log:
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2021 19:34:53 GMT -5
Well Jones has demanded a trade and listed Patriots as a team he wants to be traded too. What's the most you offer?
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Post by cdj on May 25, 2021 22:22:04 GMT -5
2nd round pick next year
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Post by rjw on May 26, 2021 6:33:53 GMT -5
I'd go with Harry plus a 3rd round pick that could change to a 2nd rounder based on some type of performance/appearance conditions.
That would solve 2 problems.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 26, 2021 6:58:53 GMT -5
A 4th, a 3rd if they eat some more money.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 26, 2021 8:22:08 GMT -5
I saw a pretty decent offer of Sony and a 3. They have basically no one in the backfield.
I’m torn on Julio for a lot of reasons. This is just me talking it out so let’s take this for what it is and in no particular order.
1. Is Julio still going to be Julio? He’s 32 and has 3 years left. Not a good age for a receiver. Only played 9 games last year but was durable prior to that.
2. He supposedly wants to play with Cam... which is cool until we want to pull Cam for Jones.
3. Would he be willing to restructure his contract? Hard to see Bill paying him 15m.
4. He does devalue the Bourne or one of the tight end signings as teams don’t run 3 WR/ 2 TE sets, but I don’t overly care about that if Julio is still Julio.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 26, 2021 9:39:41 GMT -5
I was going to say a 2nd and Harry. It's a risk, yet compared to Sanu it's a deal I have to make.
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Post by mobaz on May 26, 2021 10:51:36 GMT -5
Andrew Callahan at the Herald was equating it to Sanu which is nonsense. Julio is an all-timer who was effective every day he was on the field. I did a tour of similarly skilled receivers and every one I thought of was effective through age 34/35 (Steve Smith, Boldin, Fitz, TO, Tim Brown, Harrison, Wayne).
Holt and Andre Johnson had their last good season at 33.
If the hamstring is a one-time thing, he's got 3 good years left and the traded value of his contract is reasonable even if he loses effectiveness from 1400-1600 yards a year (!).
Trade for the man! I'm okay with Sony or Harry as a sweetener. Maybe both!
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Post by rjp313jr on May 27, 2021 6:44:39 GMT -5
The advantage to dealing Harry and Michel is you get (1.4m and 1.7m respectively) cap savings. Harry also would be off the team if another WR were acquired, unless they really thought he could learn from Julio.
The problem with dealing Sony is it suddenly leaves you thin in the backfield and it puts a lot on the rookie. Now running back is the easiest position to find depth at so it’s not overly concerning. A guy like Gurley is still out there.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 27, 2021 6:53:38 GMT -5
The Bucs resigned AB... never before has such a stacked team brought it all back again. Obviously, extenuating circumstances on a few players and they sold their souls 2 years from now, but they are looking like they are getting back to backs... the one thing I don’t get is how are they still rolling with OJ Howard as their 3rd tight end at 6m? There is no dead money.. they should trade him. They can probably get a conditional 3, if he plays X number of games, or a 5 if not... something like that.
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Post by texs31 on May 27, 2021 8:52:50 GMT -5
Patriots released Dan Vitale and signed TE Troy Fumagalli.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 27, 2021 13:37:00 GMT -5
The advantage to dealing Harry and Michel is you get (1.4m and 1.7m respectively) cap savings. Harry also would be off the team if another WR were acquired, unless they really thought he could learn from Julio. The problem with dealing Sony is it suddenly leaves you thin in the backfield and it puts a lot on the rookie. Now running back is the easiest position to find depth at so it’s not overly concerning. A guy like Gurley is still out there. Depth is an issue, yet same styles is also an issue. Harry and Stevenson are bigger power RBs. Michel is more of a one cut RB and has shown some juke in his running style, yet that was basically just his rookie year when they'd get him outside. I liked the combo of Newton, Harry and Michel last year. Yet I'd still do it for Jones. |
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Post by rasimon on May 31, 2021 20:11:32 GMT -5
If Mac Jones is going to be the starter, either opening day or soon after, maybe the Pats should be inquiring into trade interest for Cam. He is fairly expensive for a backup QB. Furthermore, its unlikely that he signed with the expectation of being a backup. A week or two ago there were some rumors of Stidham to TEX. But wouldn't TEX rather have Cam? Maybe Cam + 3rd round pick for Davis Mills. TEX fixes their QB problem for at least a year. Cam gets to start. The Pats get a developing backup QB. TEX gets back some of the draft capital it spent on Mills. The Pats get some $ relief which could go toward Julio Jones or whoever. Mills also is a similar type of QB to Jones so the game plan would be more consistent than with Cam.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 1, 2021 9:26:32 GMT -5
The advantage to dealing Harry and Michel is you get (1.4m and 1.7m respectively) cap savings. Harry also would be off the team if another WR were acquired, unless they really thought he could learn from Julio. The problem with dealing Sony is it suddenly leaves you thin in the backfield and it puts a lot on the rookie. Now running back is the easiest position to find depth at so it’s not overly concerning. A guy like Gurley is still out there. Depth is an issue, yet same styles is also an issue. Harry and Stevenson are bigger power RBs. Michel is more of a one cut RB and has shown some juke in his running style, yet that was basically just his rookie year when they'd get him outside. I liked the combo of Newton, Harry and Michel last year. Yet I'd still do it for Jones. Pretty sure you mentioned Bourne earlier as trade bait or not making the team in some way as you and rjp went back and forth on it. Surprised nobody is going down that road as far as trading for Jones, one of the FA signings at WR could go with a 3rd maybe. If they are married to the 2 TE set then maybe that is the deal to be made. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 1, 2021 11:30:37 GMT -5
Depth is an issue, yet same styles is also an issue. Harry and Stevenson are bigger power RBs. Michel is more of a one cut RB and has shown some juke in his running style, yet that was basically just his rookie year when they'd get him outside. I liked the combo of Newton, Harry and Michel last year. Yet I'd still do it for Jones. Pretty sure you mentioned Bourne earlier as trade bait or not making the team in some way as you and rjp went back and forth on it. Surprised nobody is going down that road as far as trading for Jones, one of the FA signings at WR could go with a 3rd maybe. If they are married to the 2 TE set then maybe that is the deal to be made. Reports say a team offered a first day's ago. |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 6, 2021 13:33:15 GMT -5
Julio to the Titans for a 2nd and 2023 4th. Someone made the comment the Pats paid more for Baremore.
I still would have traded for Julio at that price but the resulting cap limitations are real.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jun 6, 2021 13:55:57 GMT -5
Maybe I'm oversimplifying things, but when did trading for a star receiver win a team a Super Bowl? Diggs, Hopkins, AB (to Raiders), OBJ, Amari Cooper, Cooks, etc. I find these trades highly overrated, so it doesn't bother me to see him go elsewhere.
Or better yet, how many Super Bowl teams have have huge salary cap hits from the WR position? No one recent in the top 3 but within the top 10 there are the Chiefs in 2019 at 7th, the Broncos in 2015 at 4th, and the Seahawks in 2013 at 5th.
WR spending just seems like a very inefficient use of money, year in year out it seems like the teams that spend the most there are not good.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 6, 2021 14:19:39 GMT -5
Maybe I'm oversimplifying things, but when did trading for a star receiver win a team a Super Bowl? Diggs, Hopkins, AB (to Raiders), OBJ, Amari Cooper, Cooks, etc. I find these trades highly overrated, so it doesn't bother me to see him go elsewhere. Or better yet, how many Super Bowl teams have have huge salary cap hits from the WR position? No one recent in the top 3 but within the top 10 there are the Chiefs in 2019 at 7th, the Broncos in 2015 at 4th, and the Seahawks in 2013 at 5th. WR spending just seems like a very inefficient use of money, year in year out it seems like the teams that spend the most there are not good. I’ve talked about this multiple times... it’s hard to spend a lot on receivers and a QB at the same time and fill out a great roster around them. But the Bucs are this year and they are returning their whole team. |
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