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4/16-4/19 Red Sox vs. White Sox Series Thread
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 19, 2021 13:20:46 GMT -5
I wanna say that's really bad, but I did watch Cronenworth strike out Mookie the other day
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 19, 2021 13:21:29 GMT -5
Three things: Perez is fine as a 5th starter; Whitlock belongs much higher up in the starter foodchain (eventually); why should Eovaldi be result-conscious in a blowout?
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 19, 2021 13:22:55 GMT -5
Throwing strikes well below the hitting speed is the new market inefficiency
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 13:23:59 GMT -5
Hey man, sure Franchy struck out against a position player, and yeah he might have gotten a scorer’s break on a groundball to Abreu, but on the upside, he did reach the outfield. And he kept his K rate to 50%! That is the story of this game.
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Post by patford on Apr 19, 2021 13:27:55 GMT -5
Weird to send Whitlock back out but he's throwing so many strikes his pitch count is low.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 19, 2021 13:28:24 GMT -5
Eovaldi induced Madrigal's second swing and miss all year, and Whitlock just got his third.
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 13:28:30 GMT -5
Thtree things: Perez is fine as a 5th starter; Whitlock belongs much higher up in the starter foodchain (eventually); why should Eovaldi be result-conscious in a blowout? I love how they are using him (Whitlock). It is sort of a balance of stretching him to start and being cautious with his arm. Well spread multi-inning appearances. To me, the irony is that he’s looked so good that I actually want them to use him sparingly. His health and growth really could be the biggest things to come from this season.
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Post by cdj on Apr 19, 2021 13:29:08 GMT -5
Hey man, sure Franchy struck out against a position player, and yeah he might have gotten a scorer’s break on a groundball to Abreu, but on the upside, he did reach the outfield. And he kept his K rate to 50%! That is the story of this game. You have a weird agenda against the guy, still shitting on him when he gets on 3 times and knocks in 2 runs. He hasn’t been that bad this year and I do expect him to only improve as I don’t think he’ll maintain a K rate this high Like idc if he whiffs in this joke of a game, the White Sox made it a mockery to the sport. He hit Giolito when it mattered
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 19, 2021 13:30:48 GMT -5
Hey man, sure Franchy struck out against a position player, and yeah he might have gotten a scorer’s break on a groundball to Abreu, but on the upside, he did reach the outfield. And he kept his K rate to 50%! That is the story of this game. You have a weird agenda against the guy, still shitting on him when he gets on 3 times and knocks in 2 runs. He hasn’t been that bad this year and I do expect him to only improve as I don’t think he’ll maintain a K rate this high And most importantly it's not like this was a piece in a Mookie trade. This was a piece in a Benintendi trade.
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Post by patford on Apr 19, 2021 13:31:05 GMT -5
Whitlock throws so many strikes that in order to stretch him out they'll have to start him both games in a double header.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 19, 2021 13:32:35 GMT -5
You have a weird agenda against the guy, still shitting on him when he gets on 3 times and knocks in 2 runs. He hasn’t been that bad this year and I do expect him to only improve as I don’t think he’ll maintain a K rate this high And most importantly it's not like this was a piece in a Mookie trade. This was a piece in a Benintendi trade. While Benintendi's rocking a 63 wRC+ to Cordero's 92.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 19, 2021 13:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 13:35:09 GMT -5
Hey man, sure Franchy struck out against a position player, and yeah he might have gotten a scorer’s break on a groundball to Abreu, but on the upside, he did reach the outfield. And he kept his K rate to 50%! That is the story of this game. You have a weird agenda against the guy, still shitting on him when he gets on 3 times and knocks in 2 runs. He hasn’t been that bad this year and I do expect him to only improve as I don’t think he’ll maintain a K rate this high Agenda? Maybe? Weird? Not so sure. You know how people say “that guy has a hole in his swing”? Franchy’s swing appears to be a hole. I am not a fan of the multi-team-rejects as reclamation projects, to be honest. There comes a point when a guy has passed through so many knowledgeable people that you have to start to think they are what they are. And nothing I’ve seen from Franchy makes me think he can hit. I am surprised by how weak his contact has been, since he swings out of his shoes. But I am not at all surprised he is in the 2nd percentile for Ks. He is a decent defender. .
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 13:37:17 GMT -5
You have a weird agenda against the guy, still shitting on him when he gets on 3 times and knocks in 2 runs. He hasn’t been that bad this year and I do expect him to only improve as I don’t think he’ll maintain a K rate this high And most importantly it's not like this was a piece in a Mookie trade. This was a piece in a Benintendi trade. Well, it isn’t how he got here. But... as people used to grouse about guys like Anderson Espinosa... they could have traded Beni for someone else (coulda kept Lee!). So... I ain’t mad about trading Beni (I feel bad for him, obviously), but I think Franchy is Wily Mo 2.0. (Not literally, since they actually very different guys... I just mean K machines who bust). Anyway, I was kidding about story of the day. Obviously massacring Giolito and the start from Eovaldi are great things. Verdugo going yard is big.
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Post by jimoh on Apr 19, 2021 13:44:18 GMT -5
Hey man, sure Franchy struck out against a position player, and yeah he might have gotten a scorer’s break on a groundball to Abreu, but on the upside, he did reach the outfield. And he kept his K rate to 50%! That is the story of this game. If only Franchy were as good as Christian Vasquez. Man, that guy can hit. Vasquez after his age 27 season had a career .246 .296 .335 .632 mark.
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Post by kmann on Apr 19, 2021 13:47:26 GMT -5
Hey Guys, I follow daily on this site but rarely post. I am in need of some help. I just looked at the Sox offensive stats on ESPN.com. Per ESPN, Franchy currently has a WAR of 0.5 and Devers has a WAR of 0.3. Can someone please explain to me how this is possible? Devers is on pace for a 50 HR season and 140 RBI's and Franchy is just being Franchy. I have been following baseball for decades but never tried to fully understand these advanced metrics. Is there anyone that will argue that Franchy has been a greater contributor thus far than Devers? Thanks for your help.
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 13:47:41 GMT -5
Hey man, sure Franchy struck out against a position player, and yeah he might have gotten a scorer’s break on a groundball to Abreu, but on the upside, he did reach the outfield. And he kept his K rate to 50%! That is the story of this game. If only Franchy were as good as Christian Vasquez. Man, that guy can hit. Vasquez after his age 27 season had a career .246 .296 .335 .632 mark. You got me. There are late bloomers.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 19, 2021 13:47:45 GMT -5
You have a weird agenda against the guy, still shitting on him when he gets on 3 times and knocks in 2 runs. He hasn’t been that bad this year and I do expect him to only improve as I don’t think he’ll maintain a K rate this high Agenda? Maybe? Weird? Not so sure. You know how people say “that guy has a hole in his swing”? Franchy’s swing appears to be a hole. I am not a fan of the multi-team-rejects as reclamation projects, to be honest. There comes a point when a guy has passed through so many knowledgeable people that you have to start to think they are what they are. And nothing I’ve seen from Franchy makes me think he can hit. I am surprised by how weak his contact has been, since he swings out of his shoes. But I am not at all surprised he is in the 2nd percentile for Ks. He is a decent defender. . But he has a career wRC+ of 97. If "he is what he is" then I guess he's... an average hitter who plays respectable defense? Which seems fine?
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 13:49:03 GMT -5
Hey Guys, I follow daily on this site but rarely post. I am in need of some help. I just looked at the Sox offensive stats on ESPN.com. Per ESPN, Franchy currently has a WAR of 0.5 and Devers has a WAR of 0.3. Can someone please explain to me how this is possible? Devers is on pace for a 50 HR season and 140 RBI's and Franchy is just being Franchy. I have been following baseball for decades but never tried to fully understand these advanced metrics. Is there anyone that will argue that Franchy has been a greater contributor thus far than Devers? Thanks for your help. It is mostly defense. Going into today, Franchy had .5 bWAR, but .1 oWAR. Now... how is Franchy the best defensive player on the team? Rhat is a metric I cannot explain.
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 13:52:57 GMT -5
Agenda? Maybe? Weird? Not so sure. You know how people say “that guy has a hole in his swing”? Franchy’s swing appears to be a hole. I am not a fan of the multi-team-rejects as reclamation projects, to be honest. There comes a point when a guy has passed through so many knowledgeable people that you have to start to think they are what they are. And nothing I’ve seen from Franchy makes me think he can hit. I am surprised by how weak his contact has been, since he swings out of his shoes. But I am not at all surprised he is in the 2nd percentile for Ks. He is a decent defender. . But he has a career wRC+ of 97. If "he is what he is" then I guess he's... an average hitter who plays respectable defense? Which seems fine? Look, have at it. You can look at his career numbers and see what you want. I won’t discuss him again, because I don’t care to get into a contest of competing minutiae. When I watch him, I see a guy who is just shutting his eyes and hacking. We’ll check in in a few months.
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Post by jimoh on Apr 19, 2021 13:59:19 GMT -5
Hey Guys, I follow daily on this site but rarely post. I am in need of some help. I just looked at the Sox offensive stats on ESPN.com. Per ESPN, Franchy currently has a WAR of 0.5 and Devers has a WAR of 0.3. Can someone please explain to me how this is possible? Devers is on pace for a 50 HR season and 140 RBI's and Franchy is just being Franchy. I have been following baseball for decades but never tried to fully understand these advanced metrics. Is there anyone that will argue that Franchy has been a greater contributor thus far than Devers? Thanks for your help. It is mostly defense. Going into today, Franchy had .5 bWAR, but .1 oWAR. Now... how is Franchy the best defensive player on the team? Rhat is a metric I cannot explain. He's had some good plays: the one that almost seemed to hit the wall, where he was up about 7-8 inches higher than Yaz or Beni could reach, and several times he has fielded balls off the wall very smoothly, and he's got two assists in two weeks.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 19, 2021 13:59:40 GMT -5
Eovaldi induced Madrigal's second swing and miss all year, and Whitlock just got his third. I think it is his first whiff. According to CWS broadcast the other day it was a foul tip similar to the one vs Eovaldi earlier in the game.
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Post by jimoh on Apr 19, 2021 14:00:57 GMT -5
If only Franchy were as good as Christian Vasquez. Man, that guy can hit. Vasquez after his age 27 season had a career .246 .296 .335 .632 mark. You got me. There are late bloomers. If Franchy is a late bloomer (would not be surpassing since he's been hurt so much) he'll be terrific. If he continues the way he has been the last several years, he'll be average. He's not hitting well now, but that stuff happens.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Apr 19, 2021 14:02:02 GMT -5
Between Eovaldi and Whitlock, they threw 129 pitches 98 of them for strikes that’s 76%
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 14:04:12 GMT -5
It is mostly defense. Going into today, Franchy had .5 bWAR, but .1 oWAR. Now... how is Franchy the best defensive player on the team? Rhat is a metric I cannot explain. He's had some good plays: the one that almost seemed to hit the wall, where he was up about 7-8 inches higher than Yaz or Beni could reach, and several times he has fielded balls off the wall very smoothly, and he's got two assists in two weeks. The D stuff is just weird to me. Renfroe has been great defensively but has a lower dWAR. It is just odd. For whatever it is worth, Renfroe does much better than Franchy on baseball savant in outs above average. I’ve always been suspicious of dWAR.
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