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4/16-4/19 Red Sox vs. White Sox Series Thread
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Post by unitspin on Apr 19, 2021 19:16:28 GMT -5
As you say this cue the ambulance. Erod will trip over a rock and be out til july. Repeat after me: "I'm a Red Sox fan and it's ok to be happy." What exactly are you happy about? They are doing what they should, beating up on the bottom of the league. The only team they have played so far that has a chance at the playoffs is minny. When they start sweeping Toronto and the yanks, then I'll be happy.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2021 19:20:06 GMT -5
Boston fans are perpetually in need of a hug. Why screaming, “Don’t touch me!”
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 19:20:19 GMT -5
Repeat after me: "I'm a Red Sox fan and it's ok to be happy." What exactly are you happy about? They are doing what they should, beating up on the bottom of the league. The only team they have played so far that has a chance at the playoffs is minny. When they start sweeping Toronto and the yanks, then I'll be happy. I will be surprised if the White Sox don’t make the playoffs (certainly threaten until the end). They are a really good team off to a slow start. Drubbing Giolito is a pretty big deal, as far as big deals go in the early part of the season.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 19, 2021 19:21:18 GMT -5
Great question, I am just glad it worked out the way it did! I also like that the NYY are still the only team in any sport to loose a 7 games series after leading 3-0. When NYY fans get loud mouthed (which happens all the time I just throw that in their face followed by “only appeared in 1 WS since 2003.......eat that”. It shuts them up every time. 😀👍🏻 It's happened four times in the NHL. It's sweet though that only the Sox did it in MLB and even better that it was the Yankees. Thanks for that info...I do not follow hockey at all.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 19, 2021 19:23:42 GMT -5
Boston fans are perpetually in need of a hug. Yes, many are....many are not. I think the biggest hug goes to Seattle fans who never been to a World Seires or to San Diego, Texas, Colorado, Tampa Bay, or Milwaukee fans who have never won a WS. Red Sox fans are the least likely who should need a hug. Yankee fans might need a hug right now (worst record in the AL)! Most are so arrogant, that need a hug or not, they would not get one from me. lol 😂
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 19, 2021 19:37:48 GMT -5
White Sox and Twins both have some great pitching staffs and some talented offensive players, and I think are both going to have strong records when it's all said and done. Very nice to be on our way to taking 6 of 8 games from them. I think this was a sneaky big win from this team. Had the Red Sox lost we would be looking at a team who had just lost 4 out of their last 5 and having these creeping thoughts that the 9 game win streak was just an aberration. 3 out of 4 against the Twins and a split with the White Sox keeps the hopes of a big year intact Is there anyone here who's not convinced they would have won game 1 on Sunday if they had the two extra innings that God ordained?
I hate the 7-inning games because they essentially remove an entire position from the active roster, namely, the middle reliever. Starters still average close to 6 innings, and closers average a bit more than 1 inning. In a competitive game, you're rendering the quality as many as half a dozen guys meaningless. It's no more fair then saying, today we're going to skip the SS in the batting order ... if you've got Xander Bogaerts and the other team has Elvis Andrus, tough s***!
I decided to show how dominant we've been as the game progresses, by comparing scoring per inning, and immediately realized that the 7-inning games add noise to that stat. The numbers for the 7th and to a lesser extent the 6th no longer measure what we think they do.
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Post by jdog2020 on Apr 19, 2021 19:45:49 GMT -5
Hey Guys, I follow daily on this site but rarely post. I am in need of some help. I just looked at the Sox offensive stats on ESPN.com. Per ESPN, Franchy currently has a WAR of 0.5 and Devers has a WAR of 0.3. Can someone please explain to me how this is possible? Devers is on pace for a 50 HR season and 140 RBI's and Franchy is just being Franchy. I have been following baseball for decades but never tried to fully understand these advanced metrics. Is there anyone that will argue that Franchy has been a greater contributor thus far than Devers? Thanks for your help. That’s all defense and I wouldn’t put too much stock into those numbers right now Don't follow ESPN for any stats. I have to correct them on a daily basis...
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 19, 2021 19:46:16 GMT -5
And 12 ground balls among the 19 balls put in play.
I'm focused on watching at least 11 films in the six days before the Oscars (ideally it would be 17), but the first thing I'm doing when I wake up tomorrow is run some numbers on where Whitlock ranks among guys with 25 BFP (he has 30), etc.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 19, 2021 19:58:16 GMT -5
BTW, Devers is -1 outs and runs above average so far, but I'm pretty sure that's just on ground balls. No one has ever figured out a way to measure line-drive-catching as a skill for infielders, and I think that Statcast would have said so if they had cracked that nut.
So he's getting no credit for the line drive he turned into 2 outs that was probably a double 60% of the time.
DRS has him 0 for range and -1 run for Good/Bad Plays, while UZR has him +0.7 range and -0.3 for errors. In fact, his UZR/150 is 10.5.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 19, 2021 20:15:00 GMT -5
Times the Sox have led in a game and then fallen behind ...
April 6th vs. Rays, Perez staked to 1-0 lead in first, falls behind 2-1 in the 3rd. Brice allows an inherited runner in the 6th that's really on him.
April 8th at O's, get quick 2-0 lead on Devers HR, but E-Rod allows HR's in first and 4th and they trail 3-2.
April 10th at O's (the next game), leading 3-2 in the 8th, Ottavino gives up 2.
That's it. The pen has turned just one lead into a deficit. And they have yet to lose a game in which they led at any point.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 19, 2021 20:31:17 GMT -5
It's happened four times in the NHL. It's sweet though that only the Sox did it in MLB and even better that it was the Yankees. Thanks for that info...I do not follow hockey at all. Ditto. Was a time in the deep south (before cable) when NO hockey games were broadcast on network television. Tampa area, you never heard anything about it until the Lightning came along. Gave it a try and had season tickets the year they played in the dumpster dome, but after not being raised with it and it having snowed this far south (slight) once in my lifetime.. That fad quickly passed.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 19, 2021 20:32:37 GMT -5
I think this was a sneaky big win from this team. Had the Red Sox lost we would be looking at a team who had just lost 4 out of their last 5 and having these creeping thoughts that the 9 game win streak was just an aberration. 3 out of 4 against the Twins and a split with the White Sox keeps the hopes of a big year intact Is there anyone here who's not convinced they would have won game 1 on Sunday if they had the two extra innings that God ordained? I hate the 7-inning games because they essentially remove an entire position from the active roster, namely, the middle reliever. Starters still average close to 6 innings, and closers average a bit more than 1 inning. In a competitive game, you're rendering the quality as many as half a dozen guys meaningless. It's no more fair then saying, today we're going to skip the SS in the batting order ... if you've got Xander Bogaerts and the other team has Elvis Andrus, tough s***! I decided to show how dominant we've been as the game progresses, by comparing scoring per inning, and immediately realized that the 7-inning games add noise to that stat. The numbers for the 7th and to a lesser extent the 6th no longer measure what we think they do.
I personally love the 7-inning game during a DH. Those 4 extra innings save an incredible amount of time. The Red Sox had a number of chances to break that game wide open and squandered every opportunity that befell them in game 1. In the second game of the DH, the team was getting shut down by a 1-pitch pitcher in Kopech. It really wasn't the offenses day unfortunately.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 19, 2021 22:06:01 GMT -5
17 games into the season and the leaders are:
Boston KC Seattle NY Mets Cincinnati LA Dodgers
The odds on this has to be smaller than winning the lottery.
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Post by cdj on Apr 19, 2021 22:10:24 GMT -5
Just here 4 the ride baby
If they chase Ryu early tomorrow we start popping bottles
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 19, 2021 22:13:58 GMT -5
Monday is the Johnny Vander Meer opportunity Extra day of rest. Rodon tries to no-hit Tribe again Tuesday night
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Post by foreverred9 on Apr 19, 2021 22:57:15 GMT -5
17 games into the season and the leaders are: Boston KC Seattle NY Mets Cincinnati LA Dodgers The odds on this has to be smaller than winning the lottery. I know you're speaking in hyperbole and I agree with the sentiment... but I had to do the math. There's only 15,625 unique combinations of division leaders (assuming no ties). So a random draw would be 1:15,625 and Powerball is 1:292M, which means that one would need to pick a random draw of teams this year and a random draw of teams next year and still it's more likely to get the right winners than win the Powerball. That's at least 1:244M. Having done this math and proven to myself (again) how crazy it is to buy a lottery ticket, I'm still buying Powerball the next time the jackpot builds up.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 19, 2021 23:11:46 GMT -5
Seeing La Russa used two position players as pitchers today makes me wonder if we'll see Dalbec in that spot at some point this year. He would be the most likely option I assume. Plawecki is a pitcher Renfroe pitched in college, '11 Kiké pitched poorly. Once.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 20, 2021 0:33:48 GMT -5
Sox back to having the second-best record in MLB, and the second-best run differential.
FanGraphs' Power Ranking coming into today has them second to the Dodgers, together comprising the Top Tier.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 20, 2021 0:55:16 GMT -5
Hey man, sure Franchy struck out against a position player, and yeah he might have gotten a scorer’s break on a groundball to Abreu, but on the upside, he did reach the outfield. And he kept his K rate to 50%! That is the story of this game. If only Franchy were as good as Christian Vasquez. Man, that guy can hit. Vasquez after his age 27 season had a career .246 .296 .335 .632 mark. It's Va zquez, and where did you get those numbers?? His age 28-30 seasons combine for a .278/.326/.472 slash line - that's .798 not .632, so he's been one of the best hitting catchers in the majors. Yes, he can hit.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 20, 2021 1:36:36 GMT -5
17 games into the season and the leaders are: Boston KC Seattle NY Mets Cincinnati LA Dodgers The odds on this has to be smaller than winning the lottery. I know you're speaking in hyperbole and I agree with the sentiment... but I had to do the math. There's only 15,625 unique combinations of division leaders (assuming no ties). So a random draw would be 1:15,625 and Powerball is 1:292M, which means that one would need to pick a random draw of teams this year and a random draw of teams next year and still it's more likely to get the right winners than win the Powerball. That's at least 1:244M. Having done this math and proven to myself (again) how crazy it is to buy a lottery ticket, I'm still buying Powerball the next time the jackpot builds up. Because the chance at $20 million isn’t. enough? (how my brain goads me into pissing away $2 on PowerBall whenever I tell myself, “Well, if the jackpot gets up there, why not?” But you’re right - the odds are equivalent to basically getting struck by lightning...while dancing the tango with Emma Stone after she calls you out of the blue to suggest dancing tango, even though you’ve never met.
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Post by cdj on Apr 20, 2021 1:59:36 GMT -5
If only Franchy were as good as Christian Vasquez. Man, that guy can hit. Vasquez after his age 27 season had a career .246 .296 .335 .632 mark. It's Va zquez, and where did you get those numbers?? His age 28-30 seasons combine for a .278/.326/.472 slash line - that's .798 not .632, so he's been one of the best hitting catchers in the majors. Yes, he can hit. If I had to guess judging by the context he’s trying to say vazquez took some time to develop and meant to say before instead of after
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Post by jimoh on Apr 20, 2021 6:00:06 GMT -5
If only Franchy were as good as Christian Vasquez. Man, that guy can hit. Vasquez after his age 27 season had a career .246 .296 .335 .632 mark. It's Va zquez, and where did you get those numbers?? His age 28-30 seasons combine for a .278/.326/.472 slash line - that's .798 not .632, so he's been one of the best hitting catchers in the majors. Yes, he can hit. Sorry for the ambiguity. By “after his age 27 season” I meant “after his age 27 season” was complete, his career numbers were... Much better to have said “through his age 27 season”.
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Post by jimoh on Apr 20, 2021 6:07:11 GMT -5
Seeing La Russa used two position players as pitchers today makes me wonder if we'll see Dalbec in that spot at some point this year. He would be the most likely option I assume. I've sometimes wondered who the emergency catcher is. Renfroe caught in high school, but that was a lot of years and pounds ago. Kiké? Chavis would be game if he were around.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 20, 2021 7:58:08 GMT -5
If only Franchy were as good as Christian Vasquez. Man, that guy can hit. Vasquez after his age 27 season had a career .246 .296 .335 .632 mark. It's Va zquez, and where did you get those numbers?? His age 28-30 seasons combine for a .278/.326/.472 slash line - that's .798 not .632, so he's been one of the best hitting catchers in the majors. Yes, he can hit. "After his age 27 season" = at the time that season had been competed, not subsequently to it.
And CV had 999 PA at that point. Franchy is at 356 as of today.
And Franchy's early in his age 26 season, so maybe this is a bad comp, because we don't want to wait until 2023 before he starts to hit. And catchers are frequently late bloomers as hitters, whereas OFers are not.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 20, 2021 8:10:28 GMT -5
Repeat after me: "I'm a Red Sox fan and it's ok to be happy." What exactly are you happy about? They are doing what they should, beating up on the bottom of the league. The only team they have played so far that has a chance at the playoffs is minny. When they start sweeping Toronto and the yanks, then I'll be happy. The White Sox are expected to be playoff contenders and the Rays are defending champs. I have an even better question for you. Why not be happy? I mean the curse has been over for 18 years and the Sox have won 4 WS since. Do you get any enjoyment out of your sports teams or is it just an outlet for negative thoughts? Why not be happy with a team that has gone 11-3 after starting 0-3 and being pegged as a .500 team and is in 1st place. While the arch rival Yanks are off to a terrible start. Plenty of reason to be happy IMO.
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