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Post by nuttyredsox on Aug 16, 2021 12:13:00 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Aug 16, 2021 12:16:58 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand the leap. Mayer? I get they added a top-50 guy. But then… Mata and Ward had bad injuries and Downs must be movibg down boards. Are they *that* improved?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 16, 2021 12:21:14 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 16, 2021 12:22:48 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand the leap. Mayer? I get they added a top-50 guy. But then… Mata and Ward had bad injuries and Downs must be movibg down boards. Are they *that* improved? I think a lot of it is Bello and the lower minors |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 16, 2021 12:35:30 GMT -5
And perhaps some teams ahead of us got way worse because of the trade deadline, or prospects graduating?
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Post by incandenza on Aug 16, 2021 12:49:53 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand the leap. Mayer? I get they added a top-50 guy. But then… Mata and Ward had bad injuries and Downs must be movibg down boards. Are they *that* improved?
Number of prospects by grade:
| 2020 | pre-2021
| Now | 55
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| 1 | | 50 | 2 | 2
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| 2 | | 45 | 3 | 5
| 5 | | 40+ | 1 | 8
| 7 | | 40 | 15 | 18
| 21 | | 35+ | 14 | 15
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They have more now at every grade than at the start of 2020 (it was a very successful losing season!). At the top, they've added Mayer, and Casas and Duran have moved up. Then they've added depth throughout the system, an obvious emphasis for Bloom.
But most of the movement happened prior to this season; the difference between the off-season and now really is mostly Mayer. It might also partly be other teams falling back as guys graduate. Notably, the Yankees and Blue Jays have fallen behind as they traded a ton of prospect value at the deadline (but a lot of it went to Texas, who still didn't catch the Red Sox in the rankings, and the Twins, who were already ahead).
ADD: Well I see from the NESN article that BA moved Duran all the way to #22 overall. That seems... aggressive. But it certainly helps the farm ranking.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 16, 2021 12:58:31 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand the leap. Mayer? I get they added a top-50 guy. But then… Mata and Ward had bad injuries and Downs must be movibg down boards. Are they *that* improved? Duran too. He's a top 25 guy for them. If he was top 100 before for them, he was in the back |
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Post by malynn19 on Aug 16, 2021 12:59:35 GMT -5
To whom it may concern,
It means the Bloom has done a good job. I know you hate the guy, but we are ranked #9 on BA. And while we are on the subject... Give Verdugo, Downs, Wong and Franchy a break as well. I don't know how people can root for a team while hating on some of its players.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Aug 16, 2021 13:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 16, 2021 13:20:40 GMT -5
More to say later, but I want to point out that Whitlock went from total non-consideration to graduation without ever being ranked or included in team rankings. It might be fun to ask the experts (Callis, etc.) where he would have ranked as a prospect just before graduation.
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Post by manfred on Aug 16, 2021 13:32:18 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand the leap. Mayer? I get they added a top-50 guy. But then… Mata and Ward had bad injuries and Downs must be movibg down boards. Are they *that* improved? Duran too. He's a top 25 guy for them. If he was top 100 before for them, he was in the back I can’t see the rankings, but do the Sox have 3 top 25 guys? Duran, Casas, Mayer? |
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Post by incandenza on Aug 16, 2021 13:39:10 GMT -5
Duran too. He's a top 25 guy for them. If he was top 100 before for them, he was in the back I can’t see the rankings, but do the Sox have 3 top 25 guys? Duran, Casas, Mayer?
Casas 20 Duran 22 Mayer 32
Per the NESN article.
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Post by manfred on Aug 16, 2021 13:40:39 GMT -5
I can’t see the rankings, but do the Sox have 3 top 25 guys? Duran, Casas, Mayer?
Casas 20 Duran 22 Mayer 32
Per the NESN article.
Ah! Thanks. Close! |
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 16, 2021 14:15:29 GMT -5
Those rankings for Casas and Duran seems kinda nuts to me
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 16, 2021 14:46:29 GMT -5
Its about time were ranked top 10. We were getting screwed. I mean not this high but I didnt feel we were that low either.
From previous rankings.
Oh one more thing, I'D rather have quality over quantity anyday. We produce quality. So far not one of the Padres prospects that I heared panned out. There best guy came from the White Sox. This is an example thats been bothering me. Also the MFY'S. always get a pass on there guys.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 16, 2021 15:45:22 GMT -5
Its about time were ranked top 10. We were getting screwed. I mean not this high but I didnt feel we were that low either. From previous rankings. Oh one more thing, I'D rather have quality over quantity anyday. We produce quality. So far not one of the Padres prospects that I heared panned out. There best guy came from the White Sox. This is an example thats been bothering me. Also the MFY'S. always get a pass on there guys. Prospects are not just for replacing starters. They are also very cheap depth with options. If you can get some actual replacement level players at AAA with options, that makes the team much easier to manage with the roster spots and not having to rely on complete disasters for too long because you're worried about having to cut guys because you're out of 40 man spots. We used to have these discussions about how DDo traded so much quantity away that there was no useful depth. Someone like Manuel Margot would have been a great bench piece, a guy who could play anywhere in the OF and spell JBJ and Benintendi vs LHP. Instead, we had guys like Chris Young, Rajai Davis and even Blake Swihart playing OF at below replacement level. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 16, 2021 16:02:57 GMT -5
I can’t see the rankings, but do the Sox have 3 top 25 guys? Duran, Casas, Mayer? Casas 20 Duran 22 Mayer 32 Per the NESN article.
Masslive:
Casas — who belted three home runs in the Tokyo Olympics — is ranked No. 19 on Baseball America’s Top 100 prospect list. Jarren Duran is ranked No. 21 and 2021 first-rounder Marcelo Mayer is listed at No. 31.Maybe somebody graduated. |
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Aug 16, 2021 20:03:47 GMT -5
More to say later, but I want to point out that Whitlock went from total non-consideration to graduation without ever being ranked or included in team rankings. It might be fun to ask the experts (Callis, etc.) where he would have ranked as a prospect just before graduation. Somebody (Fangraphs maybe?) had Whitlock top-100 in the offseason and most people clowned on them.... looks like they were too low |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 16, 2021 20:07:14 GMT -5
More to say later, but I want to point out that Whitlock went from total non-consideration to graduation without ever being ranked or included in team rankings. It might be fun to ask the experts (Callis, etc.) where he would have ranked as a prospect just before graduation. Somebody (Fangraphs maybe?) had Whitlock top-100 in the offseason and most people clowned on them.... looks like they were too low Somebody dug up an old Alex Cora tweet dated in February. Something to the effect of wait until you see this Whitlock kid. |
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Post by alan on Aug 16, 2021 20:27:01 GMT -5
More to say later, but I want to point out that Whitlock went from total non-consideration to graduation without ever being ranked or included in team rankings. It might be fun to ask the experts (Callis, etc.) where he would have ranked as a prospect just before graduation. Somebody (Fangraphs maybe?) had Whitlock top-100 in the offseason and most people clowned on them.... looks like they were too low Fangraphs had him at 17th in the Sox system with a 40+ FV |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 23:15:53 GMT -5
Sad thing is C Daniel Flores would probably be rank in the top 50 by now had he not past away. One of the saddest story in recent memory.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Aug 17, 2021 0:30:51 GMT -5
Sad thing is C Daniel Flores would probably be rank in the top 50 by now had he not past away. One of the saddest story in recent memory. Westmoreland instantly comes to mind. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 17, 2021 7:05:50 GMT -5
Sad thing is C Daniel Flores would probably be rank in the top 50 by now had he not past away. One of the saddest story in recent memory. Westmoreland instantly comes to mind. Instantly |
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Post by fenwaymabe on Aug 17, 2021 12:20:02 GMT -5
Its about time were ranked top 10. We were getting screwed. I mean not this high but I didnt feel we were that low either. From previous rankings. Oh one more thing, I'D rather have quality over quantity anyday. We produce quality. So far not one of the Padres prospects that I heared panned out. There best guy came from the White Sox. This is an example thats been bothering me. Also the MFY'S. always get a pass on there guys. Prospects are not just for replacing starters. They are also very cheap depth with options. If you can get some actual replacement level players at AAA with options, that makes the team much easier to manage with the roster spots and not having to rely on complete disasters for too long because you're worried about having to cut guys because you're out of 40 man spots. We used to have these discussions about how DDo traded so much quantity away that there was no useful depth. Someone like Manuel Margot would have been a great bench piece, a guy who could play anywhere in the OF and spell JBJ and Benintendi vs LHP. Instead, we had guys like Chris Young, Rajai Davis and even Blake Swihart playing OF at below replacement level. Don't even get me started on Blake Swihart. We royally screwed up his development. I was hoping that a change of scenery would unlock something, but it hasn't to date. I always liked him as a prospect and I will always believe that we didn't do him any justice developmentally. |
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Post by alan on Aug 18, 2021 21:28:31 GMT -5
Marcelo Mayer NINTH on the new top 100 list by MLB.com
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