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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 6, 2021 16:22:42 GMT -5
I turned away for a minute. Did Ottavino walk the leadoff hitter?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 6, 2021 16:23:28 GMT -5
Guess I got my answer. I'm getting really tired of him walking leadoff guys. His control is brutal.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 6, 2021 16:24:42 GMT -5
Ye of little faith. We need some lessons on not giving up 'round here. Complain....sure...it is fun to do....but let's work on not bringing on the apocalypse every time we are down. Or was it all part of the reverse jinx plan? You see the Tigers D? Only happens when you been whammied. there is no way this could credibly fall under a reverse jinx attempt. this was out and out frustration for losing to a clearly terrible baseball team. That is fine...but let's wait until the whole game is played out before the "end is nigh" stuff. LOL.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 6, 2021 16:29:07 GMT -5
Hallelujah! World Series here we come.
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Post by Guidas on May 6, 2021 16:29:17 GMT -5
GREAT WIN!!
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Post by cdj on May 6, 2021 16:29:27 GMT -5
Hard fought battle. Don’t care how it gets done, I just care that it gets done. Victory.
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Post by nomar on May 6, 2021 16:30:21 GMT -5
Any W is big when you’re playing as poorly as this team is. We truly are a 4 man baseball team right now. Hopefully there won’t be that many stretches where the starters, bullpen, and half the order are all struggling. Just ride out the rough stretches
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Post by 75tillnow on May 6, 2021 16:31:33 GMT -5
Six game winning streak coming' up!
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Post by manfred on May 6, 2021 16:31:46 GMT -5
Two observations: 1) Arroyo is good. I like that kid. 2) I am not as down on Ottavino as others. Sure, he makes me nervous, but one part of his problem is his slider moves so damn much, he has trouble keeping in the zone. I still think he could go on a streak as a real shutdown 8th inning guy. Also still think that was the best (non-Whitlock) move of the off-season.
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Post by jimoh on May 6, 2021 16:36:46 GMT -5
I know there are several moves that could be made, and also that no moves moth be made, but I for one would like to see Josh Taylor sent down simply for not covering first base.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 6, 2021 16:39:00 GMT -5
Two observations: 1) Arroyo is good. I like that kid. 2) I am not as down on Ottavino as others. Sure, he makes me nervous, but one part of his problem is his slider moves so damn much, he has trouble keeping in the zone. I still think he could go on a streak as a real shutdown 8th inning guy. Also still think that was the best (non-Whitlock) move of the off-season. Agree on 1. Disagree on 2. I know Christian Arroyo's numbers have been going down. It was bound to happen but he has extenuating circumstances. The dip coincides with his thumb getting hit the first time. I think this kid can hit .270 this year. In the year of the .230 hitter that's like hitting .300 during a normal season. Not a lot of walks or a lot of power so you can call it a bit empty, but you know what? In an era where it's 3 true outcomes, guys who can ping their way to a .270 BA are actually enjoyable to watch. He can be Mark Loretta this season. I don't know if I'm traumatized from my youth from watching Mark Clear come into games late and going 3-2 on virtually every batter and walking a lot of them. Absolutely drove me crazy then and it drives me crazy now. I'd much rather see a pitcher make a batter beat him than issuing a free pass, especially leading off the inning. Want no part of that in close games late. I think Ottavino has been declining and I don't think he'll be a reliable 8th inning guy for the team this season.
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Post by incandenza on May 6, 2021 16:41:38 GMT -5
Eovaldi now has a 4.62 ERA and a 2.05 FIP.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 6, 2021 16:53:04 GMT -5
Funky game. Just came in from shoveling a mess of gravel. Read the details on the 8th inning. Left me shaking my head laughing. I'll bet it was even weirder watching!
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 6, 2021 17:22:00 GMT -5
I offically have a jones for Robbie Grossman. If we acquired him at the end of May, we'd owe him $3.35M for the rest of the year. Fangraphs has the RS 2021 projected payroll at $207.66M, so he'd nudge us above the $210M threshold. But we could easily get under at the deadline if we're out of the race. If we're in the race, we'll be going over at the deadline anyways.
His .351 career OBP would look a lot better in the leadoff spot than KKH's serial out making.
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Post by Guidas on May 6, 2021 17:55:03 GMT -5
Funky game. Just came in from shoveling a mess of gravel. Read the details on the 8th inning. Left me shaking my head laughing. I'll bet it was even weirder watching! Jekyll and Hyde team, Norm.
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Post by patford on May 6, 2021 18:02:25 GMT -5
I wanted to just relax this season and think about next year. It was seen as a bridge year. The Sox as of right now have the best record in MLB. Just a weird year. Detroit is so bad I feel like the Sox just got swept. And yet you look around and it seems there is no dominant team in MLB.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 6, 2021 18:34:52 GMT -5
If I can pick a nit here, I don't know that I agree. Debuting in 2020 as a 2016 pick is a pretty standard timeline (and his debut last year was probably delayed by how the season played out). The leader in GP from that draft is Alonso with 243. I think we got spoiled by guys like Betts and Benintendi tearing through the system in the past decade or so. curious question - is that a standard timeline for both highschool AND college draftees? wouldn't it stand to reason that college dudes should move up a little quicker due to their 2-4 years of extra experience? Yeah college guys should move faster, definitely. But here's Dalbec's progression: 2016: Lowell 2017: Greenville 2018: Salem/Portland 2019: Portland/Pawtucket 2020: ATS/Boston That he debuted late in 2020 makes it seem like he took longer but he probably debuts sooner in a normal 2020 season. He's probably on the slower end of normal but I'd still say within the range of normal. Like Duran will debut about a year sooner, which is about squarely normal (that was roughly Houck's timeline).
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 6, 2021 19:17:33 GMT -5
I've always assumed college guys arrive faster too. And my unscientific, SSS observation seemed to confirm that. Nomar, Pedroia, Papelbon and Ellsbury were all in the show two years after being drafted. In the case of JP and JE, they were making major contributions by the end of that first season in the bigs.
And Beni, of course, was drafted in 2015 and got significant at bats for the AL East Champs in late 2016.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 6, 2021 19:52:36 GMT -5
Yeah it's kind of like when this system was gangbusters for about 4 years and we got spoiled as hell by having like 6 Top 100 guys every year while the MLB team was also great. Benintendi and Betts didn't take normal progressions to the majors - but when it goes down like that, it makes it seem like that's normal. Like even JBJ was drafted in '11, debuted in '13 but wasn't really a major leaguer until 2014.
Like I said, Dalbec was a shade slowish in the range of normal. But he wasn't like, particularly very slow. If, say, CJ Chatham debuts this year and becomes a regular, I'd say he was slow.
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Post by soxfaninnj on May 6, 2021 19:54:47 GMT -5
Yeah it's kind of like when this system was gangbusters for about 4 years and we got spoiled as hell by having like 6 Top 100 guys every year while the MLB team was also great. Benintendi and Betts didn't take normal progressions to the majors - but when it goes down like that, it makes it seem like that's normal. Like even JBJ was drafted in '10, debuted in '13 but wasn't really a major leaguer until 2014. Like I said, Dalbec was a shade slowish in the range of normal. But he wasn't like, particularly very slow. If, say, CJ Chatham debuts this year and becomes a regular, I'd say he was slow. Jbj was drafted in 11
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 6, 2021 20:22:28 GMT -5
Yeah it's kind of like when this system was gangbusters for about 4 years and we got spoiled as hell by having like 6 Top 100 guys every year while the MLB team was also great. Benintendi and Betts didn't take normal progressions to the majors - but when it goes down like that, it makes it seem like that's normal. Like even JBJ was drafted in '10, debuted in '13 but wasn't really a major leaguer until 2014. Like I said, Dalbec was a shade slowish in the range of normal. But he wasn't like, particularly very slow. If, say, CJ Chatham debuts this year and becomes a regular, I'd say he was slow. Jbj was drafted in 11 True and he didn't really establish himself as a big leaguer until the second half of 2015. He went on a tear with a 211 OPS-plus in August, helped a lot by a .354 BABIP. He had significant PAs in 2014 but put up a puny 49 OPS-plus and only .7 WAR.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 6, 2021 21:46:43 GMT -5
5/6/2021 at 11:43 pm - even after a strange three game series with the lowly Tigers, and as bad as the Red Sox looked at times. THE RED SOX HAVE THE MLB BEST RECORD AT 19-13 .593 winning percentage is the best in the MLB!!!!
Worchester is 0-3 and was out scored 21-4...ouch😖 Duran and Downs were hit less.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 6, 2021 23:03:26 GMT -5
At the moment the Sox have the best record in baseball....
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 6, 2021 23:39:14 GMT -5
At the moment the Sox have the best record in baseball.... Then I guess the 1906 Cubs and 2001 Mariners regular season record of 116 victories is safe. Seriously, I don't think I can ever remember a year that was about 20% in the books where NOBODY was playing even .600 ball. Virtually everybody is clumped around .500. The law of averages would dictate that some separation takes place and the cream shall rise and the dregs will fall. For my part I'm cool with MLB declaring the 2021 regular season over as of 11:43pm pm 5/6. Let the playoffs begin.
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Post by James Dunne on May 6, 2021 23:47:51 GMT -5
With regards to Dalbec being a little slower to the majors, it's also important to remember that he was seen as something more of a project than a normal college junior because he'd been a two-way player until then. Both the team and Dalbec both said outright that the amount of attention he needed to put into pitching had his bat behind where it otherwise would be if he could've focused on it. And considering his gradual improvement and ability to make adjustments as he climbed the ladder, I'd say Boston's evaluation there turned out to be pretty correct.
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