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5/25/-5/26 Red Sox vs. Braves Series Thread
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Post by manfred on May 25, 2021 20:11:08 GMT -5
Wow! Pair of shoes!
I would really like to trust Sawamura more. He has great stuff but... I don’t know.
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 25, 2021 20:20:13 GMT -5
We can tell that the Sox are home now.
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Post by Guidas on May 25, 2021 20:33:17 GMT -5
I mean, is the point of emphasis this year to swing at anything?
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Post by Guidas on May 25, 2021 20:40:11 GMT -5
This is so frustrating. 1 hit and zero walks after the second inning in a game where they should’ve chased Morton out of the game in the first, if not second inning.
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Post by chrisfromnc on May 25, 2021 20:42:28 GMT -5
At least Whitlock induced Sandoval to ground out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2021 20:43:19 GMT -5
Since it's being brought up a bunch, Red Sox ranks (highest to lowest): O-Swing%: 1st (35.0%) O-Contact%: 2nd (66.6%) Zone%: 21st (41.8%) SwStr%: 13th (11.7%) So they do swing at the most pitches outside of the zone of any team in the league, but they make contact on pitches outside of the zone more than almost any team in the league and they are in the bottom third in the number of pitches they get in the zone, and are in the middle of the pack at swinging and missing generally. So there's a bit of a chicken-egg thing: are they swinging at more pitches outside of the zone because they don't get strikes to hit? Or are they being pitched to a certain way but still succeeding? Team leaderboard: www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=10&type=5&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=3&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=2,d I'm sure it'll surprise nobody that Chavis (by a TON), Renfroe, Devers lead the team in O-Swing. Might surprise folks that Hernandez is near the bottom. Vazquez, Bogaerts, Verdugo have the highest O-Contact, Chavis and Franchy the lowest.
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Post by cdj on May 25, 2021 20:46:28 GMT -5
Robot umps.
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Post by soxfaninnj on May 25, 2021 20:46:51 GMT -5
We finally have a hitter trying to take a walk and they call that a strike gtfo
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 25, 2021 21:04:20 GMT -5
Since it's being brought up a bunch, Red Sox ranks (highest to lowest): O-Swing%: 1st (35.0%) O-Contact%: 2nd (66.6%) Zone%: 21st (41.8%) SwStr%: 13th (11.7%) So they do swing at the most pitches outside of the zone of any team in the league, but they make contact on pitches outside of the zone more than almost any team in the league and they are in the bottom third in the number of pitches they get in the zone, and are in the middle of the pack at swinging and missing generally. So there's a bit of a chicken-egg thing: are they swinging at more pitches outside of the zone because they don't get strikes to hit? Or are they being pitched to a certain way but still succeeding? Team leaderboard: www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=10&type=5&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=3&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=2,d I'm sure it'll surprise nobody that Chavis (by a TON), Renfroe, Devers lead the team in O-Swing. Might surprise folks that Hernandez is near the bottom. Vazquez, Bogaerts, Verdugo have the highest O-Contact, Chavis and Franchy the lowest. seeing is believing Chris. It is hard to barrel up pitches when you are constantly chasing pitches outside the zone. When Devers barrels up, it is usually in the zone. Xander swings at some inside pitches that he can actually get good wood on, but when i see them contort to swing outside the zone i want tear my hair out.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on May 25, 2021 21:11:15 GMT -5
Whitlock - the better of the Garretts tonight. Let's get him a win!
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Post by kjkramer on May 25, 2021 21:12:07 GMT -5
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 25, 2021 21:15:00 GMT -5
" -- Corey Kluber's bid to match Johnny Vander Meer's feat of consecutive no-hitters ended when Toronto's Bo Bichette reached on an infield single with one out in the third on Tuesday night, and the New York Yankees removed the 35-year-old right-hander after the inning. veteran had tightness in his right shoulder, and will be further evaluated Wednesday. An MRI will be a part of the evaluation." ESPN
Yesterday: Eddie Rosario singled — the first hit off Turnbull since May 13 — in the second.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 25, 2021 21:15:59 GMT -5
oh well....so much for home cooking being a good thing.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 25, 2021 21:18:27 GMT -5
The bats.. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Post by manfred on May 25, 2021 21:19:58 GMT -5
Well... Yanks and Rays lost, so could be worse. Pivetta tomorrow.
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 25, 2021 21:20:27 GMT -5
Glad to see that they hit double digits in strikeouts once again. They must lead the league in whifferoos.
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Post by manfred on May 25, 2021 21:38:24 GMT -5
Richards is trailing Jordan Lyles for worst WHIP in the AL. Rough.
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Post by cdj on May 25, 2021 22:17:53 GMT -5
3.72 ERA, 3.87 FIP. He’s been pitching well for a month. I’m very much unconcerned about Garrett Richards and his WHIP.
Edit: 3.83 ERA after tonight, my B! Point still remains
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Post by cdj on May 25, 2021 22:24:01 GMT -5
Glad to see that they hit double digits in strikeouts once again. They must lead the league in whifferoos. I think I heard it on the broadcast recently but I don’t think they’re #1, definitely top 10 though. Could be mistaken It’s alarming but that’s baseball today for ya Edit: I just checked and apparently they’re 15th in strikeouts? What a sad state of affairs for the league
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 25, 2021 23:21:57 GMT -5
That was a lousy and predictable loss. When they loaded the bases with none out and only scored one run which Morton gift wrapped and then put the leadoff hitter on 3b with no outs and failed to score, you knew it was a matter of time before it would bite them and cost them the game and it did. Then the offense went dead as Morton, off the ropes, recovered and was excellent.
It's a good thing that TB and NYY lost. The Sox are a good team whose 9 game winning streak is what has kept them above .500. Similar situation with TB whose 11 game winning streak had them 11 games over .500 before tonight. The Yankees have been playing more consistently for a longer time. I would suspect that sooner or later they'll take over 1st. Maybe Jomboy is right and there's something up with Kluber. We'll see.
Meanwhile, I'll hope (like Cora does) that the Sox find ways to cash in runs that they should really cash in - this overagressiveness sometimes catches up to them. And they have to find a way to win at home. This homestand features two teams that aren't playing that great. I would hope the Sox can go 3-2. They really need to win Wednesday's game, but Pivetta is due to lose one sooner or later. He almost did last time until JDM took him off the hook.
After this homestand the schedule starts to really toughen up. Hope this team can get really hot again.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2021 23:34:04 GMT -5
Glad to see that they hit double digits in strikeouts once again. They must lead the league in whifferoos. 16th in the league in k%, 15th in strikeouts. That's just baseball now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2021 23:36:44 GMT -5
Since it's being brought up a bunch, Red Sox ranks (highest to lowest): O-Swing%: 1st (35.0%) O-Contact%: 2nd (66.6%) Zone%: 21st (41.8%) SwStr%: 13th (11.7%) So they do swing at the most pitches outside of the zone of any team in the league, but they make contact on pitches outside of the zone more than almost any team in the league and they are in the bottom third in the number of pitches they get in the zone, and are in the middle of the pack at swinging and missing generally. So there's a bit of a chicken-egg thing: are they swinging at more pitches outside of the zone because they don't get strikes to hit? Or are they being pitched to a certain way but still succeeding? Team leaderboard: www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=10&type=5&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=3&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=2,d I'm sure it'll surprise nobody that Chavis (by a TON), Renfroe, Devers lead the team in O-Swing. Might surprise folks that Hernandez is near the bottom. Vazquez, Bogaerts, Verdugo have the highest O-Contact, Chavis and Franchy the lowest. seeing is believing Chris. It is hard to barrel up pitches when you are constantly chasing pitches outside the zone. When Devers barrels up, it is usually in the zone. Xander swings at some inside pitches that he can actually get good wood on, but when i see them contort to swing outside the zone i want tear my hair out. Interesting point so I looked it up. 5th in the league in barrels per plate appearance, 7th in hard hit percentage, 11th in hard hit per swing, so that doesn't seem right: baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast?type=batter-team&year=2021&position=&team=&min=qAll this said, the argument could be that they're "millionaires who should be billionaires," to swipe a phrase from CM Punk, in the sense that the offense could be even better if they were less aggressive... but you could also see it being that the aggressiveness is part of what makes them so dangerous. They don't walk much at 29th in the league with a 7.3% BB rate, but they're second in the league in batting average at .263, 7th in OBP (.324), and first in slugging (.450). Does, say, the slugging come down proportionately if they get more selective? I honestly don't know the answer to that, but I don't know that it's safe to assume everything else stays the same if they just swing less.
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Post by Guidas on May 26, 2021 6:15:05 GMT -5
Since it's being brought up a bunch, Red Sox ranks (highest to lowest): O-Swing%: 1st (35.0%) O-Contact%: 2nd (66.6%) Zone%: 21st (41.8%) SwStr%: 13th (11.7%) So they do swing at the most pitches outside of the zone of any team in the league, but they make contact on pitches outside of the zone more than almost any team in the league and they are in the bottom third in the number of pitches they get in the zone, and are in the middle of the pack at swinging and missing generally. So there's a bit of a chicken-egg thing: are they swinging at more pitches outside of the zone because they don't get strikes to hit? Or are they being pitched to a certain way but still succeeding? Team leaderboard: www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=10&type=5&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=3&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=2,d I'm sure it'll surprise nobody that Chavis (by a TON), Renfroe, Devers lead the team in O-Swing. Might surprise folks that Hernandez is near the bottom. Vazquez, Bogaerts, Verdugo have the highest O-Contact, Chavis and Franchy the lowest. seeing is believing Chris. It is hard to barrel up pitches when you are constantly chasing pitches outside the zone. When Devers barrels up, it is usually in the zone. Xander swings at some inside pitches that he can actually get good wood on, but when i see them contort to swing outside the zone i want tear my hair out. I agree, it is difficult to make solid contact outside the zone. And if they’re not seeing a lot of strikes, then take the picthes, load up the bases with walks and put the picture on the hot seat. What becomes really disconcerting is to see someone like JD, who usually has pretty good plate discipline, go chasing like he did tonight. I have to believe that there is some free screenings philosophy/emphasis going on behind the scenes. In Devers’ case, I sincerely believe it’s keeping him from becoming a superstar. He looks ridiculous and a lot of it bats. It was funny when he was 21-22, but it’s frustrating now and he should know better. Bad habits are hard to shake.
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Post by Guidas on May 26, 2021 6:25:19 GMT -5
seeing is believing Chris. It is hard to barrel up pitches when you are constantly chasing pitches outside the zone. When Devers barrels up, it is usually in the zone. Xander swings at some inside pitches that he can actually get good wood on, but when i see them contort to swing outside the zone i want tear my hair out. Interesting point so I looked it up. 5th in the league in barrels per plate appearance, 7th in hard hit percentage, 11th in hard hit per swing, so that doesn't seem right: baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast?type=batter-team&year=2021&position=&team=&min=qAll this said, the argument could be that they're "millionaires who should be billionaires," to swipe a phrase from CM Punk, in the sense that the offense could be even better if they were less aggressive... but you could also see it being that the aggressiveness is part of what makes them so dangerous. They don't walk much at 29th in the league with a 7.3% BB rate, but they're second in the league in batting average at .263, 7th in OBP (.324), and first in slugging (.450). Does, say, the slugging come down proportionately if they get more selective? I honestly don't know the answer to that, but I don't know that it's safe to assume everything else stays the same if they just swing less. The millionaires who should be billionaires analogy is perfect. If they want to get to the next level in terms of winning a division/going to a World Series they have to maximize their strengths and minimize the self-inflicted errors. Swinging outside the zone wildly is one of the latter. One of the reasons that Tampa has been winning the last few years is good pitching combined with a sort of “Patriot Way” approach where they minimize their mistakes, maximize the opportunities when they come and wait for the other team to make mistakes or fail with RISP. this team is not good enough offensively after the top four to just be cavalier at the plate. If they were more stacked from one through nine, they might be able to carry this through, but you can’t do that with a bunch of .280 OBP guys making up the bulk of your line-up. it may work against the Orioles and the Tigers, but it likely won’t work against Tampa, New York, Toronto and Houston. it’s frustrating to watch, because it’s sloppy and completely self-inflicted laziness at the plate, and its cost them between three and five games already this year.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 26, 2021 6:41:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure where one would go to look this up, but it feels like strikeouts are up an awful lot this year. Not just for the Sox but for all of baseball.
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