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Post by cdj on Aug 10, 2021 17:19:17 GMT -5
not interested in Markkanen. To me we’d have to give him a deal that basically makes him the 3rd option and I don’t think he’s a 3rd option on a real contender. Would rather just roll with Horford this year and stay flexible
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Post by texs31 on Aug 10, 2021 17:49:13 GMT -5
I was trying to come up with a scenario where:
- They S&T Fournier to the Knicks (assuming Keith Smith is right and it's not official, per Spotrac) which would create an 18M TPE. Side note - it would also be hysterical to count just how many picks Boston would be willing to throw away just to get something for Gordon Hayward leaving. I think we're at 4 2nds and counting.
- You're probably not using the full TPE but a decent chunk of it and then they'd likely have to give a pick or more to Chicago to complete the S&T.
- But wait. As UMass reminds, you're now hard capped so you're likely looking to move as much salary as you can in a separate deal. For example, if you sign Markkanen for about 14 (and, remember, you have to commit 3 years w/o an option for a valid S&T), you'd probably have to move a significant player (the list UMass indicated is probably right). But not many teams can take on much salary (or would want to without being coerced so - again, more assets tacked on).
- I thought maybe trading Smart (if you can find someone with a TPE they're willing to use on him) and replacing him with Schroder but my head exploded so, yeah, due diligence makes more sense (or, at least, is simpler . . . which probably still means it makes more sense).
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Post by mobaz on Aug 10, 2021 17:58:01 GMT -5
Schroder for 1 year at 5.9 done, per Woj. Quite a steal!
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Post by philarhody on Aug 10, 2021 18:07:40 GMT -5
Schroder for 1 year at 5.9 done, per Woj. Quite a steal! Oh that’s a great deal. Props to Brad on waiting out the market. Upgrade over Kemba considering team needs.
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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 10, 2021 18:24:37 GMT -5
Whether you agree with the plan or not, the Celtics have a clear plan. Kudos to them
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Post by cdj on Aug 10, 2021 18:31:58 GMT -5
I dig it a lot
What’s not to like?
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Post by cdj on Aug 10, 2021 19:15:03 GMT -5
Upgraded every spot but Fournier, and even then I think Richardson might fit the identity of the team better (he’s a scrappier, better defender)
I mean maybe Bruno Fernando for Semi is a downgrade but they are different positions and honestly neither should see the court here
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 10, 2021 19:17:54 GMT -5
Schroder for 1 year at 5.9 done, per Woj. Quite a steal! Good deal. Now let's get Lauri Legend and kick ass!
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 10, 2021 19:19:53 GMT -5
How much you willing to give up? For Lauri? Whatever it takes outside of Tatum, Brown and Smart. He's the promised euro I've long defended.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 10, 2021 19:42:33 GMT -5
Real hard to argue with that contract.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 10, 2021 19:59:20 GMT -5
MUCH better showing for Nesmith. SL caveat of course but still.
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Post by cdj on Aug 10, 2021 20:06:44 GMT -5
Point Pritchard
And yeah Nesmith was slightly better this game lol
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 10, 2021 21:36:26 GMT -5
Pritchard and Nesmith were ridiculously good, Langford continued to underwhelm, and I cannot wait until we don’t have to watch Edwards shoot.
I also don’t understand why Grant isn’t playing in summer league. He needs to take some strides if he wants to crack the rotation next season.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 11, 2021 2:33:37 GMT -5
Pritchard and Nesmith were ridiculously good, Langford continued to underwhelm, and I cannot wait until we don’t have to watch Edwards shoot. I also don’t understand why Grant isn’t playing in summer league. He needs to take some strides if he wants to crack the rotation next season. Agree on Edwards, it's a joke he's taking shots from other players in summer league right now. Please cut him and get it over with. Langford I've been impressed in two ways: playmaking improvement, defense, and his shot is quicker with a smoother release. I think he's improved a lot around the fringes. I think he's just miscast in the point forward role and he will be much better as a 3/D slasher type assuming his shot keeps improving. His dunk was also impressive. Nesmith and Pritchard two man game was unstoppable, they will both be NBA rotation players for a long time.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 11, 2021 3:02:41 GMT -5
Well okay then, way to go Brad Stevens. I'm officially impressed. They have to do something with 16 contracts, yet they aren't all official yet. Don't stop now, if Bruno is gone for Schroder, dump Edwards for Svi and trade Dunn for Jackson.🤣
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Post by ianrs on Aug 11, 2021 5:00:06 GMT -5
The Schroeder signing absolutely saves the offseason. You just stole a 13-18 mill a year player for the MLE on an expiring, and he is going to play his ass off and play good guy to get a bag next offseason. We are going to shock a lot of people this year.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 11, 2021 5:41:07 GMT -5
Upgraded every spot but Fournier, and even then I think Richardson might fit the identity of the team better (he’s a scrappier, better defender) I mean maybe Bruno Fernando for Semi is a downgrade but they are different positions and honestly neither should see the court here Ok, well then maybe the rebuilt middle of the C's roster has some potential. I have to agree with much of these comparisons. A little early but maybe Brad deserves some credit. The Schroder deal is an absolute coup but he better get plenty of minutes and an opportunity to earn back the 80 million he just bypassed or he is not going to be happy. That isn't what I see happening as I think he will end up being a great addition and maybe even be the next core piece. Does this mean Smart will be the off guard in a lineup that puts both him and DS in the starting rotation? I would think so. Those 2 could make for a very good and pesky duo. I like it and for 5.9 I love it, DS will be motivated and MS is always motivated. They could get under the competitions skin.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 11, 2021 6:02:23 GMT -5
Ahhh the summer league emotions.
The Celtics can just waive Parker to be at 15 contracts.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 11, 2021 6:04:14 GMT -5
Upgraded every spot but Fournier, and even then I think Richardson might fit the identity of the team better (he’s a scrappier, better defender) I mean maybe Bruno Fernando for Semi is a downgrade but they are different positions and honestly neither should see the court here Ok, well then maybe the rebuilt middle of the C's roster has some potential. I have to agree with much of these comparisons. A little early but maybe Brad deserves some credit. The Schroder deal is an absolute coup but he better get plenty of minutes and an opportunity to earn back the 80 million he just bypassed or he is not going to be happy. That isn't what I see happening as I think he will end up being a great addition and maybe even be the next core piece. Does this mean Smart will be the off guard in a lineup that puts both him and DS in the starting rotation? I would think so. Those 2 could make for a very good and pesky duo. I like it and for 5.9 I love it, DS will be motivated and MS is always motivated. They could get under the competitions skin. Remember the Celtics won’t have DS’s bird rights so they won’t be able to easily resign him, unless they want to use that valuable cap room to do so.
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Post by karl1 on Aug 11, 2021 6:27:02 GMT -5
I think they will have a look who DS plays and develops. Will be hard to resign him but if he improves the team and fits to the other guys he may will be worth it. I think it is a double win situation for the Celtics as the signing partly saves the off season by getting a real good player for the MLE and as DS will be motivated to get a big contract next year.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 11, 2021 6:30:21 GMT -5
I think they will have a look who DS plays and develops. Will be hard to resign him but if he improves the team and fits to the other guys he may will be worth it. I think it is a double win situation for the Celtics as the signing partly saves the off season by getting a real good player for the MLE and as DS will be motivated to get a big contract next year. Completely agreed. Worst case if he's a bad fit or even if he's good but we aren't real contenders is you steal a 1st round pick or he's a facilitator in a mid-season 3 team Beal trade. Injuries happen all the time and it wouldn't be surprising if a contender wants an upgrade or replacement at PG midseason.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 11, 2021 7:11:58 GMT -5
We can all hope that he gels with the Js and plays well enough that an extension is worth it. I know this goes against the conventional wisdom of needing 3 stars and all but maybe the Js with the right guys around them will be enough. DS can score and play D when motivated and I would suspect losing 80 million would motivate a guy.
The upcoming season just became a lot more interesting to me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 11, 2021 8:34:37 GMT -5
I feel like the contract is making people over-rate Schröder’s ceiling. Why in the world would one good season (theoretically) change our opinion of this player so drastically? He’s a great player for 5.9. He’s probably worth a FMLE contract and he’s overpaid once you get above that number. Turning down that contract is like when Jody Reed turned down big money and never sniffed it again. The difference being he’ll still make 5-10m a year for a few years, whereas Jody is probably an insurance agent right now.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 11, 2021 10:03:37 GMT -5
If my math is right, they have:
15 Guaranteed contracts 1 Non-Guaranteed contract
Are 33.779M over the Cap Are 6.6M into the Luxury Tax Would be 200K over the Apron if they were hard capped (which isn't really true since another move would be required to Hard Cap them but . . . )
Easiest savings is cutting Parker and his 2.2M non-guaranteed contract. Sounds like they are still shopping Dunn and Fernando (tried to find a 3rd party prior to completing the trade and reports are that they are still looking to move them). The duo total close to 6.8M but may need to wait, especially on Dunn (for offseason options to really dry up for other teams and/or an injury leaving a team with a hole at backup PG).
Not sure they'd be looking to bring in any vets unless the cap exchange is favorable. They have 1 more 2-Way currently. Not sure if they want to bring Madar over (could depend on moving Dunn).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 11, 2021 11:28:11 GMT -5
I feel like the contract is making people over-rate Schröder’s ceiling. Why in the world would one good season (theoretically) change our opinion of this player so drastically? He’s a great player for 5.9. He’s probably worth a FMLE contract and he’s overpaid once you get above that number. Turning down that contract is like when Jody Reed turned down big money and never sniffed it again. The difference being he’ll still make 5-10m a year for a few years, whereas Jody is probably an insurance agent right now. I don't know about that, I rank him on par with Marcus Smart, heck I've been debating since this talk started who's actually better. If you like the idea of paying Smart 17 million, not sure why you feel Schroder is worth so much less. Same age, career win shares are darn close yet Smart has played on good teams almost his whole career, Schroder hasn't. Last year Schroder was 3.8 to Smarts 3.3, it's 20 versus 24 for their careers.
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