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Celtics 2021 Offseason
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 8, 2021 11:25:09 GMT -5
Look at the roster
C- R. Williams, Horford, Kanter and Bruno
PF- Tatum, Parker, G. Williams
SF- Brown, Nesmith, Hauser
SG- Richardson, Langford and Edwards
PG- Smart, Pritchard and Dunn
Bruno looks like a guy you pay a team to take if you can. You can debate Edwards and Parker would be third, yet a likely lock for me. He’s an NBA player, maybe you don't like just a scorer, yet I do.
Dennis Schroder would be huge. Allows you to move Smart around, could be a starter type player. Talk about Brad nailing the mid-level signing. I can't think of a better place for Schroder to take a one year prove it deal to earn a bigger contract. Still give I don't see a sign and trade or even full mid-level it still seems unlikely, hope I'm wrong. That's a flawed team, yet it's a flawed team full of guys that can play D and team ball.
Best case you get Schroder, then get Svi to add another scorer and shooter. Svi is just more experienced than Edwards, has better size and likely more ready to help you next year. Then focus on that last two-way contract.
If you can't get Schroder, Svi would be my next target. I feel you need scoring and shooting at the guard position. You could also look at Avery Bradley, James Ennis and Paul Millsap, yet I don't think you can get Millsap. That's not an exciting group, yet Avery Bradley is a legit NBA player. He's just not a great fit. Evans would be, if that's even an option, haven't heard his name mentioned once.
You could always look at trades.
Just for Don I'll mention Lauri Markkanen. He'd be a great small ball center, fill that Kornet role. If you were going all in I could see it. I just see Tatum as a PF and Markkanen can't play center full time. So given the current path I just don't see it. You want him, he makes you better for sure, I just don't want to pay him. He's really hurt by the new NBA, as he's going to struggle guard guys that are now PF like Tatum and Durant. Yet he doesn't rebound and bang down low enough to be a full-time center.
First summer league game today. Lots of things to look at, yet is Madar ready to come over? Has Edwards taken a big jump forward? If Madar is ready, do you give him a two way contract or a roster spot? I expect a darn good showing with Pritchard, Nesmith, Langford and Edwards. If those guys are going to help us next year, they should do rather well against younger talent that doesn't have the practice time together that group does. Also we get to see Cooper and I just can't seem to get him out of my head.
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Post by jmei on Aug 8, 2021 12:19:37 GMT -5
I actually think Bradley would be a nice fit. Doesn’t need the ball, plays good defense, hits corner 3s. He’s a veteran minimum guy, though, and may prefer a team with better championship odds.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 8, 2021 17:51:39 GMT -5
I actually think Bradley would be a nice fit. Doesn’t need the ball, plays good defense, hits corner 3s. He’s a veteran minimum guy, though, and may prefer a team with better championship odds. Is he that good of a defender though? He never was a great team defender - he had perimeter on ball skills but I’m fairly certain those have diminished.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 9, 2021 6:50:50 GMT -5
Juhann Begarin is super raw, but he is really athletic and moves like a basketball player. He’s one of these guys that if he has the right work ethic, can really develop. It’s such an advantage that he gets to develop overseas versus as a super raw rookie, getting no time in the NBA or back and forth G league minutes.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 9, 2021 7:44:29 GMT -5
Juhann Begarin is super raw, but he is really athletic and moves like a basketball player. He’s one of these guys that if he has the right work ethic, can really develop. It’s such an advantage that he gets to develop overseas versus as a super raw rookie, getting no time in the NBA or back and forth G league minutes. Completely agreed. I was incredibly impressed by how massive he is - dude looks like a linebacker and honestly more like a tanky "4" than a traditional wing or SG. He's incredibly well built for a guy that turned 19 two days ago. He's very raw but will absolutely benefit from another year getting 35+ mins a game overseas. I hope he develops as he looks like a potential good fit with the Jays. Yam Madar also absolutely looks like an NBA player, I would rather give the NBA roster spot to a guy like him versus Bradley - but the question is can he shoot yet or no.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 9, 2021 8:47:58 GMT -5
Not what you wanted to see in the summer league game, as the 20th pick looked like the best player. Edwards is just Edwards, it's all about how efficient he is. Pritchard was like last years SG, just bombing away from deep. Nesmith just looked awkward. That's the difference with Nesmith versus Langford, everything with Langford looks natural and easy. Madar showed you flashes, about what you wanted to see.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 9, 2021 11:30:27 GMT -5
Summer league is a mess - you’re most likely not going to see what you want and when you think you do it’s probably meaningless. I’m not saying the league is meaningless but you’re not going to get clean play - especially not in the first game. And if you’re looking for team oriented PG play, it’s not the place you are likely to find such a thing.
Madar should be overseas for another year. He’s another guy we’d rather have play big minutes. I think I read he may be playing in turkey next year which is a step up from Israel.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 9, 2021 11:40:50 GMT -5
Summer league is a mess - you’re most likely not going to see what you want and when you think you do it’s probably meaningless. I’m not saying the league is meaningless but you’re not going to get clean play - especially not in the first game. And if you’re looking for team oriented PG play, it’s not the place you are likely to find such a thing. Madar should be overseas for another year. He’s another guy we’d rather have play big minutes. I think I read he may be playing in turkey next year which is a step up from Israel. Would over seas be better than the GLeague at this point. Is their any monetary reason? It would seem like the G would be better for his NBA and Celtic development.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 9, 2021 12:33:17 GMT -5
Summer league is a mess - you’re most likely not going to see what you want and when you think you do it’s probably meaningless. I’m not saying the league is meaningless but you’re not going to get clean play - especially not in the first game. And if you’re looking for team oriented PG play, it’s not the place you are likely to find such a thing. Madar should be overseas for another year. He’s another guy we’d rather have play big minutes. I think I read he may be playing in turkey next year which is a step up from Israel. Would over seas be better than the GLeague at this point. Is their any monetary reason? It would seem like the G would be better for his NBA and Celtic development. Madar needs a buyout from his current team and I think overseas competition is better than the G league at this point.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 9, 2021 13:31:47 GMT -5
Not what you wanted to see in the summer league game, as the 20th pick looked like the best player. Edwards is just Edwards, it's all about how efficient he is. Pritchard was like last years SG, just bombing away from deep. Nesmith just looked awkward. That's the difference with Nesmith versus Langford, everything with Langford looks natural and easy. Madar showed you flashes, about what you wanted to see. I'm not yet at BUST ALERT for Nesmith, but my finger is close to the button. A shooter that can't get separation and lacks a quick release, not looking super right now.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 9, 2021 13:44:57 GMT -5
Not what you wanted to see in the summer league game, as the 20th pick looked like the best player. Edwards is just Edwards, it's all about how efficient he is. Pritchard was like last years SG, just bombing away from deep. Nesmith just looked awkward. That's the difference with Nesmith versus Langford, everything with Langford looks natural and easy. Madar showed you flashes, about what you wanted to see. I'm not yet at BUST ALERT for Nesmith, but my finger is close to the button. A shooter that can't get separation and lacks a quick release, not looking super right now. Yeah I think you’re right. He can’t get separation and he has a slow release. I also don’t think he’s a great shooter. I don’t love the way his shot looks and never have. But he’s got a lot of dog in him. He thinks he’s a great shooter, and he’s probably only an above average one. But I sort of like that. I’m keeping my Nesmith stock for the long haul. I just love the character.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 9, 2021 17:25:27 GMT -5
Not what you wanted to see in the summer league game, as the 20th pick looked like the best player. Edwards is just Edwards, it's all about how efficient he is. Pritchard was like last years SG, just bombing away from deep. Nesmith just looked awkward. That's the difference with Nesmith versus Langford, everything with Langford looks natural and easy. Madar showed you flashes, about what you wanted to see. I'm not yet at BUST ALERT for Nesmith, but my finger is close to the button. A shooter that can't get separation and lacks a quick release, not looking super right now. I agree. With Nesmith the weirdness is that he just....completely fails the eye test for what a fluid basketball player should be. He looks just... uncoordinated and out of control almost always. Like he would make a good rugby player to just smash into things with energy. Maybe he will figure it out, but he moves so, so awkwardly. I like him and want him to succeed, we'll see.
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Post by cdj on Aug 9, 2021 23:06:51 GMT -5
Brian Robb saying we have an offer out to Schroder
He’s currently doing kick flips. I’m not joking, check his Instagram lol
Somebody online said it but his agent is probably having an aneurysm
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Post by karl1 on Aug 10, 2021 3:11:21 GMT -5
Brian Robb saying we have an offer out to Schroder He’s currently doing kick flips. I’m not joking, check his Instagram lol Somebody online said it but his agent is probably having an aneurysm Just check it. Looks pretty good. But getting Schroeder for one year and for a reasonable price would be great. I think he is a valuable player if you have the right role for him (especially as he wants to sign a big contract next year he has to show what is capable of).
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Post by texs31 on Aug 10, 2021 7:02:10 GMT -5
Looks like it's the MLE (5.9M as a Tax Payer) - also per BRobb
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Post by mobaz on Aug 10, 2021 7:13:44 GMT -5
I feel a little bad for Schroder. I was a little negative earlier in the thread but he's fantastic on any 1 year deal, and likely movable on a 1+1. I just didn't want him on THIS TEAM at 4/80 or whatever he thought he might get.
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Post by cdj on Aug 10, 2021 7:58:35 GMT -5
I feel terrible for Schroder, chances are he lost out on $80 mill. But if he comes here he’ll have a pivotal role on a possibly good team where if he’s successful he’ll be able to get that back
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Post by texs31 on Aug 10, 2021 8:11:50 GMT -5
I agree Schroder is good value on a 1 year deal at around 6M. I do have SOME concerns:
- While his role would be defined, what about other ball handlers. Dunn (there was talk about moving him before the deal was finalized), Pritchard, Madar (maybe) are all primary ball handlers. There was even talk about testing Langford's ability in that role. If Smart is the starter, where do the minutes go? If this was a truly contending team, the answer would be easy. But Brad/Ime need to figure out what we have to see what's needed go forward.
- Defense? Is he a good defender? Seems like that's what Ime wants but I don't remember Schroder as being good (thought that could be relative as Pritchard/Madar have inexperience working against them to some degree).
It's probably a low risk move though I would've hoped they'd spend money on bigger wing. Maybe they have confidence that Parker can be that guy. Also, the ship may have sailed on any good big wings so sitting on the MLE now probably isn't the right idea.
Again, in any of the prior years, I would have been all in on Schroder as a bench scorer. Now? I can talk myself into it as a low cost move.
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Post by jmei on Aug 10, 2021 8:53:19 GMT -5
It’s a no-brainer from my perspective. Smart and Schroder can split ball handling duties—both have lots of experience playing off the ball (remember, Schroder played with LeBron, Chris Paul, SGA, Westbrook, etc.) and Smart is honestly better guarding SGs than PGs at this point in his career. Schroder is not a plus defender but can hold his own on that end and had the tools (quickness/athleticism, wingspan) to be even better when he’s motivated. I’m also not worried about blocking the young guys. Pritchard is a backup and Dunn is really only a defense-only player, and there will still be lots of minutes up for grabs for the wings.
With all that said, I’m skeptical that he signs with Boston. I have to imagine that there are better offers (in terms of money or playing time or both) out there.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 10, 2021 11:58:51 GMT -5
bleacherreport.com/articles/2947075-inside-chicago-bulls-85-million-demar-derozan-deal-and-markkanen-freeze-outNot sure how looped in Jake Fischer is but in the linked piece, he mentions that: - C's are 1 of 4 teams (Dallas, New Orleans and Minny, the others) looking into Markkanen via Sign-and-Trade. Both he and BRobb (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/08/celtics-have-shown-interest-in-lauri-markkanen-is-there-a-realistic-path-to-acquiring-bulls-restricted-free-agent.html) point out that it would be a costly acquisition for any teams. - Boston is still trying to move Dunn and Fernando.
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Post by bcsox on Aug 10, 2021 12:17:35 GMT -5
We zig when every one else is zagging. This is a shooting league now. 7 footers who can play out on the perimeter and forwards who can shoot are mandatory in the NBA, and we are loading up on non shooters. If Schroeder arrives, the Richardson, Smart, Dunn, Schroeder pu-pu platter will be must watch tv. Brick city.
I had forgotten how ridiculous the Summer league games are. Most of the players dont know the plays, which leads to a lot of late in the shot clock 28 foot off balance hero shots by a guard. No way to evaluate bigs in this league.
Begarin for late pick off the radar, young 2nd division French kid, did not look out of place. the body gave me some Kendrick Brown vibes, but I dont want to think about that. He is obviously not coming over here this year, does anyone know where he is projected to play next year. I hope he at least makes the jump to 1st division in France? he needs to play against better players.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 10, 2021 14:01:59 GMT -5
bleacherreport.com/articles/2947075-inside-chicago-bulls-85-million-demar-derozan-deal-and-markkanen-freeze-outNot sure how looped in Jake Fischer is but in the linked piece, he mentions that: - C's are 1 of 4 teams (Dallas, New Orleans and Minny, the others) looking into Markkanen via Sign-and-Trade. Both he and BRobb (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/08/celtics-have-shown-interest-in-lauri-markkanen-is-there-a-realistic-path-to-acquiring-bulls-restricted-free-agent.html) point out that it would be a costly acquisition for any teams. - Boston is still trying to move Dunn and Fernando. Sign Lauri Legend based Brad. Please. Do it for me.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 10, 2021 15:12:45 GMT -5
How much you willing to give up?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 10, 2021 16:05:55 GMT -5
You only have three options Horford, Smart or Richardson/Dunn. You are about 4.3 million from the hard cap point. I wouldn't like our D, yet Horford makes sense from a long-term point of view. Yet good luck finding a team to take him. The other two packages are much easier to trade, yet that's setting us up to play big. Markkanen D was equal to Kevin Loves last year at PF for example. So moving Tatum to SF for Markkanen doesn't excite me. Not a fan of trying to hide our wing depth by going bigger.
Just my two sents, it's just Brad doing his due diligence. If I can get Schroder and Smart won't sign that extension, let's maybe see if I can get Horfords long-term replacement.
Was thinking if you get Schroder, maybe trade Dunn for Josh Jackson. I want him for his D, passing, rebounding and driving.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 10, 2021 16:44:49 GMT -5
Does anybody have any idea of what this team is going to look like the next time they are competing for the finals? And I am not trying to be a jerk, serious question. Other than the Js all I have is hope for a few of RW, PP, RL and AN to step up.
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