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Post by ianrs on Jun 16, 2021 3:53:25 GMT -5
Celtics are going to be competing for championships as long as Tatum and Brown stay healthy into their primes, its that simple.
On top of that, I really believe Robert Williams is an all-star caliber center. Literally just keep him in bubble wrap until the playoffs, lol. Also please have him start doing some strength/bulking training.
I expect Tatum to plant some recruitment seeds at the Olympics. I expect the front office to consult with the players to hire the right coach for the job. I expect really great things over the next couple years.
Who really is the competition? Not Milwaukee unless they find a PG to complement Giannis and realize Giannis is a center. Brooklyn as long as they are healthy, but in a year or two I take Tatum+Brown+complements over aging KD, Harden, and Kyrie. I'm super excited about the future of our team.
I agree with umass that Smart needs to be a true PG and you have to unlock that side of him. I think its more likely Smart can function better as a PG when Robert Williams is in the lineup providing secondary playmaking and vertical spacing.
The next step for us IMO is unlocking the small death lineup of Smart/JB/Tatum/Timelord/Filler Wing (Nesmith would be perfect here as a spot up shooter, then probably have Romeo as a primary or secondary ballhandler off the bench, but either is fine). JB and Tatum need to learn to play better together and complement each other rather than taking turns IMO. Obviously you can also play with iterations of this - I like how the Nets have done it where sometimes they do take turns (but not always): KD is the guy, sometimes Harden, sometimes Kyrie - you can unlock creative new looks with this and keep the team fresh and excited to try new things.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 16, 2021 10:40:42 GMT -5
Two more coaching openings. SVG out in OKC, and Scott Brooks out in WAS. Neither team is in the same place as the Celts in current talent or legacy/prestige.
My view is Boston >> NO >> Indiana/Portland >> Orlando > Wash
I'm still not sure who my preference for next Celts coach might be. Not Kidd. Maybe Ime Udoka, whose name has floated for a few years in every opening. Longtime Spurs asst before one year in Philly, and now in Brooklyn.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 16, 2021 11:23:59 GMT -5
Two more coaching openings. SVG out in OKC, and Scott Brooks out in WAS. Neither team is in the same place as the Celts in current talent or legacy/prestige. My view is Boston >> NO >> Indiana/Portland >> Orlando > Wash I'm still not sure who my preference for next Celts coach might be. Not Kidd. Maybe Ime Udoka, whose name has floated for a few years in every opening. Longtime Spurs asst before one year in Philly, and now in Brooklyn. Looks like he may be going to Portland, but Chauncey would excite me. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2021 12:19:04 GMT -5
nbadraftroom.com/p/ayo-dosunmu/He's like a bigger more athletic Pritchard. Not a fan of his shot mechanics or low release, yet his release is ultra quick. You are likely passing on higher upsides for the more NBA ready player. Yet I see a taller Jeff Teague type player that actually plays D.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 16, 2021 22:12:22 GMT -5
EPIC choke by the 6ers.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 17, 2021 4:05:40 GMT -5
Ben Simmons worse contract than Kemba IMO. I'm not joking. |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 17, 2021 8:13:10 GMT -5
Ben Simmons worse contract than Kemba IMO. I'm not joking. Remember 6 months ago when they could have had Harden instead... Simmons can't even be a Good Stats Bad Team guy at this point. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 17, 2021 9:11:28 GMT -5
Ben Simmons worse contract than Kemba IMO. I'm not joking. Remember 6 months ago when they could have had Harden instead... Simmons can't even be a Good Stats Bad Team guy at this point. And this is hard to figure out considering the talent he had/has shown in the past. The Sixers just can't win and I'm happy to see it, Go Hawks!! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 17, 2021 10:45:20 GMT -5
It's Rondo after that age 25 playoff run when he and Rose went crazy head to head. He looked like a future star, attacking the rim like a mad man, then the FT issues set in and he was never the same. Simmons is even worse 32.8% from the FT line this playoffs. All in his head just like Rondo.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 17, 2021 11:42:35 GMT -5
Remember 6 months ago when they could have had Harden instead... Simmons can't even be a Good Stats Bad Team guy at this point. And this is hard to figure out considering the talent he had/has shown in the past. The Sixers just can't win and I'm happy to see it, Go Hawks!! I like Embiid "Jerry McGuire" style, for what he could be and what he almost is. I am grateful for Doc's time here, but kinda smile about his new rep as "Can't get it done in the playoffs" coach. The rest of them can pound sand. Related point: is it just impossible to be a good NBA coach over any period of time? In the midst of the Celtics search I have a hard time thinking of a coach on a currently good team I'd want; so few seem decent or better. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 17, 2021 11:49:37 GMT -5
Ben Simmons worse contract than Kemba IMO. I'm not joking. I'm a huge fan actually (absolutely insane defender), but if he can't shoot FTs then yeah he's pretty much useless. It's one thing to not be a 3 point shooter, it's much more ominous if you have no range AT ALL. His shooting form has deteriorated to drunken sailor launching bottles at the sea. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 17, 2021 12:18:21 GMT -5
And this is hard to figure out considering the talent he had/has shown in the past. The Sixers just can't win and I'm happy to see it, Go Hawks!! I like Embiid "Jerry McGuire" style, for what he could be and what he almost is. I am grateful for Doc's time here, but kinda smile about his new rep as "Can't get it done in the playoffs" coach. The rest of them can pound sand. Related point: is it just impossible to be a good NBA coach over any period of time? In the midst of the Celtics search I have a hard time thinking of a coach on a currently good team I'd want; so few seem decent or better. Are we blaming Doc for Simmons meltdown? If Simmons was at his 61.3% FT rate for the season, they certainly win game five and who knows about the other two close games. They have lost three games by ten points, Simmons has missed 17 FTs in those three games. I'd hire Doc in two seconds if he was available. It's not always the coaches fault if a team crashes and burns. Portland was more roster than coach, heck same with Steven's. It's just a lot easier to change coaches than the roster. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 17, 2021 14:19:09 GMT -5
And this is hard to figure out considering the talent he had/has shown in the past. The Sixers just can't win and I'm happy to see it, Go Hawks!! I like Embiid "Jerry McGuire" style, for what he could be and what he almost is. I am grateful for Doc's time here, but kinda smile about his new rep as "Can't get it done in the playoffs" coach. The rest of them can pound sand. Related point: is it just impossible to be a good NBA coach over any period of time? In the midst of the Celtics search I have a hard time thinking of a coach on a currently good team I'd want; so few seem decent or better. Interesting point on the coach. How does a coach get the credibility to stick around and accomplish some longevity? Win right. Now that the players have the power and control to move around and create super teams they are the ones that decide who wins most of the time. Maybe even a guy like Popovich would have a hard time doing what he has in todays NBA. Which to me means A former player that can demand a bit more respect is the direction the C's should go in. Someone other players might want to play for, especially vets that want a ring. |
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Post by malynn19 on Jun 17, 2021 15:41:55 GMT -5
I don't say much anymore, and when I did it was mostly about our beloved Sox, but I want to say that it's time for Rick Carlisle to come back home.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 17, 2021 17:37:54 GMT -5
I don't say much anymore, and when I did it was mostly about our beloved Sox, but I want to say that it's time for Rick Carlisle to come back home. Carlisle would be on my short list of "yeah probably a really good coach in a variety of team lifecycle ." Call me intrigued. As for Doc, I know Kawhi is a handful (understatement) and likely CP3 before him but the Clips under him just seemed to consistently underachieve and have simmering issues all the time. The team pieces never seemed to fit or be maximized. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 17, 2021 17:50:01 GMT -5
I don't say much anymore, and when I did it was mostly about our beloved Sox, but I want to say that it's time for Rick Carlisle to come back home. If he's still hungry about coaching, yeah! Dude's a great one. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 17, 2021 18:06:11 GMT -5
Yes on Carlisle
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 18, 2021 6:32:16 GMT -5
I don't say much anymore, and when I did it was mostly about our beloved Sox, but I want to say that it's time for Rick Carlisle to come back home. If he's still hungry about coaching, yeah! Dude's a great one. It sounds like he is tired and needs to step back. |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 18, 2021 8:12:15 GMT -5
Kemba is a negative asset. He gone. Big Al back.
ADD: TRADER BRAD!!!
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Post by ianrs on Jun 18, 2021 8:25:35 GMT -5
We just traded Kemba and the first for Horford, I feel sick. This is more of the same dumb shortsighted bs garbage (giving up assets to make up for bad past decisions) and Kemba is going to turn back into a positive real fast for OKC.
I really just... Man. I guess at least we got Moses Brown?
I just feel like the 16th pick in a deep draft would be valuable....
At least Thompson's probably gone now but we better do something with the added flexibility of this move.
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Post by jmei on Jun 18, 2021 8:31:32 GMT -5
Has to be motivated in part by the deterioration of the relationship between Kemba and the team.
Horford’s skill set is a good fit for the rest of the roster, but at his age, can he stay healthy and keep up on defense?
A little disappointing that it took the 16th pick to unload Kemba. Was hoping they could get it done for less given that they’re taking back a negative asset in Horford’s contract.
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Post by cdj on Jun 18, 2021 8:35:27 GMT -5
Moses Brown had some monster games last year
Love getting Big Al back. Offense flows through him again
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Post by natesp4 on Jun 18, 2021 8:44:21 GMT -5
For my own sanity I'm thinking of this as two separate trades: Kemba and a 2nd for Horford and a first rounder for Moses Brown. I don't love either of those trades but I'm fine with them.
Just a really disappointing end to Kemba's Boston career when it seemed like such a cool fit.
Edit: Just realized the Celtics also got a 2nd back, so the Kemba/Horford deal would be a straight swap
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Post by jmei on Jun 18, 2021 8:52:05 GMT -5
Moses Brown put up some big numbers on a bad team last year, but he’s still very raw, especially on the defensive end. He does some to offset the first rounder, but is not at all equivalent in value.
Horford makes ~$9 million less than Kemba next year, so this gives them some more flexibility to re-sign Fournier, use the rest of the Hayward TPE and/or use the nontaxpayer MLE, without dipping (too far) into the luxury tax.
I also do think that they look to move Thompson. Horford, Williams and Thompson is a very crowded center rotation (none of those guys can really play PF), even with Williams’ injury history and Horford’s age.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 18, 2021 9:14:34 GMT -5
Well that didn't take long. Don't love it, don't completely hate it either. Once again time will tell. I trust the C's know more about Kemba and his knee issues than we do but he wasn't a great fit with the J's either way so those are the motives. Horford on the other hand might be exactly what the C's need to get back to playing the D they were known for pre 2021. And Horford can and would rather play PF going forward so he is versatile. Either way at his age 25 minutes max per sounds about right.
Moving forward they are probably in better shape to round out the roster with a veteran PG with the exception left from Hayward. Sucks to lose an asset like the 1st but we all knew it wasn't going to be cheap getting rid of that contract. Add that PG, sign Fournier and thin out some of the dead weight and I would be fine with this roster.
Is Smart next or can the next coach get him to shoot less?
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