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Franchy Cordero, the enigma
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Post by James Dunne on May 1, 2023 10:17:06 GMT -5
After that traditional weeklong burst, Franchy went a Franchesque 1 for 28 with 13 strikeouts and zero walks. Slash line of .036/.036/.036.
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Post by manfred on May 1, 2023 10:24:44 GMT -5
Perhaps he is not such an enigma? Perhaps the answer is staring the world in the face… he sucks?
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Post by rhswanzey on May 1, 2023 10:43:36 GMT -5
It amounts to a hitless week. Many players will have a drought like that at some point during a season. Franchyâs problem is that he adds very little when he is not on a heater. He canât play any premium positions, and heâs not anything close to elite at the ones he can play. He also has contact issues, so you canât at least get some random walks and runners moved over when heâs going cold. Itâs not that he sucks persay, itâs that he has to hit to have value, and he has neither the established track record nor the secondary skills to grant him as long a leash as other players might receive.
The Red Sox have already had weeklong droughts this year, though. That alone isnât enough to discard a player, and frankly, New York isnât getting a whole lot from any of their alternatives in LF.
Kiké - 0 for 28 / 3 for 37 Arroyo - 1 for 26 Yoshida - 0 for 18 Devers - 1 for 18 Turner - 0 for 17
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 1, 2023 12:19:45 GMT -5
It amounts to a hitless week. Many players will have a drought like that at some point during a season. Franchyâs problem is that he adds very little when he is not on a heater. He canât play any premium positions, and heâs not anything close to elite at the ones he can play. He also has contact issues, so you canât at least get some random walks and runners moved over when heâs going cold. Itâs not that he sucks persay, itâs that he has to hit to have value, and he has neither the established track record nor the secondary skills to grant him as long a leash as other players might receive. The Red Sox have already had weeklong droughts this year, though. That alone isnât enough to discard a player, and frankly, New York isnât getting a whole lot from any of their alternatives in LF. Kiké - 0 for 28 / 3 for 37 Arroyo - 1 for 26 Yoshida - 0 for 18 Devers - 1 for 18 Turner - 0 for 17 The point was that his short bender wasn't him suddenly figuring it out, which, for some reason, a lot of people thought it was because he's on the Yankees now and for some reason that still triggers people.
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Post by James Dunne on May 1, 2023 13:10:41 GMT -5
Since the start of 2021, when the Red Sox acquired him, Franchy is hitting .201/.268/.356. I'm not discarding him because of the 1 for 28, I'm saying it's consistent with the type of hitter he his, which is a not good one.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 1, 2023 15:11:25 GMT -5
Since the start of 2021, when the Red Sox acquired him, Franchy is hitting .201/.268/.356. I'm not discarding him because of the 1 for 28, I'm saying it's consistent with the type of hitter he his, which is a not good one. All of the comments about Franchy aside, two years of Beni at about $14,000,000 (2021 and 2022) vs 7 years of Winckowski if he remains anything like he has been is a win IMO. For the record, I predicted the MFY to have the 5th best record if the ALE before the season started. I still feel that way. Fifth best denotes the placement in the ALE, and not a terrible, crappy team like the A’s. (Some like to use ‘last place’ to sound worse than the Red Sox were last year, which was not a true statement.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2023 15:43:07 GMT -5
Since the start of 2021, when the Red Sox acquired him, Franchy is hitting .201/.268/.356. I'm not discarding him because of the 1 for 28, I'm saying it's consistent with the type of hitter he his, which is a not good one. All of the comments about Franchy aside, two years of Beni at about $14,000,000 (2021 and 2022) vs 7 years of Winckowski if he remains anything like he has been is a win IMO. For the record, I predicted the MFY to have the 5th best record if the ALE before the season started. I still feel that way. Fifth best denotes the placement in the ALE, and not a terrible, crappy team like the A’s. (Some like to use ‘last place’ to sound worse than the Red Sox were last year, which was not a true statement. So if the Yankees finish 78-84 in the 5th position of five teams in the East, does that mean that we can't refer to them as the last place Yankees? Conversely if the Twins finish 82-80, and would finish with the 5th best record in the AL East but make the playoffs because they have the best record of the five teams in their division, we can't call them the first place Twins or the Anerican League Central Champions? Just checking. The George Carlin side of me is curious.
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Post by bensbrothersbrother on May 1, 2023 15:53:37 GMT -5
Perhaps he is not such an enigma? Perhaps the answer is staring the world in the face… he sucks? That is an unpleasant way to label a fellow human. Especially considering he is better at baseball than most are at anything they might try to do in their entire lifetime.
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Post by manfred on May 1, 2023 16:43:36 GMT -5
Perhaps he is not such an enigma? Perhaps the answer is staring the world in the face… he sucks? That is an unpleasant way to label a fellow human. Especially considering he is better at baseball than most are at anything they might try to do in their entire lifetime. That is an unpleasant assumption about how good everyone else is at what they do.
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Post by bensbrothersbrother on May 1, 2023 16:55:10 GMT -5
That is an unpleasant way to label a fellow human. Especially considering he is better at baseball than most are at anything they might try to do in their entire lifetime. That is an unpleasant assumption about how good everyone else is at what they do. It's math. He's (roughly) top 1000 in his profession. Few can say the same about their rank in theirs. If 5% of HS baseball players get drafted & 10% of those play 1 game or more, then 1 in 200 make the show. How many of those play in 250 games, make a couple million bucks? Nothing "sucks" about what he's accomplished.
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Post by incandenza on May 1, 2023 16:59:45 GMT -5
That is an unpleasant assumption about how good everyone else is at what they do. It's math. He's (roughly) top 1000 in his profession. Few can say the same about their rank in theirs. If 5% of HS baseball players get drafted & 10% of those play 1 game or more, then 1 in 200 make the show. How many of those play in 250 games, make a couple million bucks? Nothing "sucks" about what he's accomplished. I don't have a dog in the fight over whether it's okay to say a professional athlete sucks (though I'm personally disinclined for the most part). But I will say the math checks out here, and we probably don't spend enough time in awe of the fact that the most marginal player in MLB, the most random flailing up-and-down guy, is a world-class talent the likes of which any of us rarely encounter in our daily lives.
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Post by manfred on May 1, 2023 17:09:36 GMT -5
It's math. He's (roughly) top 1000 in his profession. Few can say the same about their rank in theirs. If 5% of HS baseball players get drafted & 10% of those play 1 game or more, then 1 in 200 make the show. How many of those play in 250 games, make a couple million bucks? Nothing "sucks" about what he's accomplished. I don't have a dog in the fight over whether it's okay to say a professional athlete sucks (though I'm personally disinclined for the most part). But I will say the math checks out here, and we probably don't spend enough time in awe of the fact that the most marginal player in MLB, the most random flailing up-and-down guy, is a world-class talent the likes of which any of us rarely encounter in our daily lives. I stand corrected. He is far better than little leaguers. I assume these corrections will come whenever people denigrate Arroyo, Brasier et al. Yes, Brasier blew it, but think of how few people could rise to the level of blowing it!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2023 17:26:34 GMT -5
I don't have a dog in the fight over whether it's okay to say a professional athlete sucks (though I'm personally disinclined for the most part). But I will say the math checks out here, and we probably don't spend enough time in awe of the fact that the most marginal player in MLB, the most random flailing up-and-down guy, is a world-class talent the likes of which any of us rarely encounter in our daily lives. I stand corrected. He is far better than little leaguers. I assume these corrections will come whenever people denigrate Arroyo, Brasier et al. Yes, Brasier blew it, but think of how few people could rise to the level of blowing it! Does that mean we can't say the Yankees suck? They are better than a lot of major league teams, better than my son's little league team, albeit not better than anybody in the AL East at the moment, lol.
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Post by bensbrothersbrother on May 1, 2023 17:29:28 GMT -5
One can be unhappy with the outcome of a sporting contest without denigrating the participants -- unless they are MFY, of course -- who, even the very worst of, as I just demonstrated, are far & away athletically superior than those who embarrass themselves by not recognizing such.
Brasier pitched very poorly the other night. He is still quite good at baseball. Better than most at much.
And he is not the reason others are unhappy. It's a game, played by surrogates. It need not matter that much that humanity and common sense are sacrificed, eh?
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Post by bensbrothersbrother on May 1, 2023 17:33:11 GMT -5
I stand corrected. He is far better than little leaguers. I assume these corrections will come whenever people denigrate Arroyo, Brasier et al. Yes, Brasier blew it, but think of how few people could rise to the level of blowing it! Does that mean we can't say the Yankees suck? They are better than a lot of major league teams, better than my son's little league team, albeit not better than anybody in the AL East at the moment, lol. You can certainly say whatever you please, within forum rules. I merely showed the poster's claim to be unfair & foolish.
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Post by manfred on May 1, 2023 18:17:47 GMT -5
Does that mean we can't say the Yankees suck? They are better than a lot of major league teams, better than my son's little league team, albeit not better than anybody in the AL East at the moment, lol. You can certainly say whatever you please, within forum rules. I merely showed the poster's claim to be unfair & foolish. Yes, my post was foolish. More foolish than not recognizing it is all relative. No one denies making the bigs makes you better than billions of non-baseball playing humans. Who cares? The question is how are you relative to other big leaguers. Otherwise, they would all be all-stars. We’ll just agree to use different measures. You include every living human, I’ll go with just pros.
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Post by keninten on May 1, 2023 18:39:38 GMT -5
Franchy sucks compared to MLB players. Sports is supposed to be fun. Unless you suck. I`m not saying who this is directed at, so I also suck.
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Post by bensbrothersbrother on May 1, 2023 18:56:16 GMT -5
You can certainly say whatever you please, within forum rules. I merely showed the poster's claim to be unfair & foolish. Yes, my post was foolish. More foolish than not recognizing it is all relative. No one denies making the bigs makes you better than billions of non-baseball playing humans. Who cares? The question is how are you relative to other big leaguers. Otherwise, they would all be all-stars. We’ll just agree to use different measures. You include every living human, I’ll go with just pros. Well I care. My father cared. He taught me not to criticize another for something I can not do myself. Quaint, huh? "You want to open your mouth, let's see how good you are, huh? Otherwise shut the heck up." That was my Pops. Part of the Greatest Generation. You did. You didn't talk about it. So you do you, buddy. I've said what I needed.
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Post by keninten on May 1, 2023 18:58:25 GMT -5
Yes, my post was foolish. More foolish than not recognizing it is all relative. No one denies making the bigs makes you better than billions of non-baseball playing humans. Who cares? The question is how are you relative to other big leaguers. Otherwise, they would all be all-stars. We’ll just agree to use different measures. You include every living human, I’ll go with just pros. Well I care. My father cared. He taught me not to criticize another for something I can not do myself. Quaint, huh? "You want to open your mouth, let's see how good you are, huh? Otherwise shut the heck up." That was my Pops. Part of the Greatest Generation. You did. You didn't talk about it. So you do you, buddy. I've said what I needed. You`re taking this way too personal.
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Post by manfred on May 1, 2023 19:03:16 GMT -5
Yes, my post was foolish. More foolish than not recognizing it is all relative. No one denies making the bigs makes you better than billions of non-baseball playing humans. Who cares? The question is how are you relative to other big leaguers. Otherwise, they would all be all-stars. We’ll just agree to use different measures. You include every living human, I’ll go with just pros. Well I care. My father cared. He taught me not to criticize another for something I can not do myself. Quaint, huh? "You want to open your mouth, let's see how good you are, huh? Otherwise shut the heck up." That was my Pops. Part of the Greatest Generation. You did. You didn't talk about it. So you do you, buddy. I've said what I needed. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make a table. — Dr. Johnson.
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Post by bensbrothersbrother on May 1, 2023 19:03:33 GMT -5
Well I care. My father cared. He taught me not to criticize another for something I can not do myself. Quaint, huh? "You want to open your mouth, let's see how good you are, huh? Otherwise shut the heck up." That was my Pops. Part of the Greatest Generation. You did. You didn't talk about it. So you do you, buddy. I've said what I needed. You`re taking this way too personal. It's a comment board. I commented to what I read. And now you have commented twice to what you read. Are you taking it "way too personal?" Or does my comment -- Tl;dr: non-professional athletes criticizing professional athletes is absurd -- strike a nerve?
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Post by keninten on May 1, 2023 19:05:06 GMT -5
I just hate to see you get so upset about nothing.
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Post by bensbrothersbrother on May 1, 2023 19:06:09 GMT -5
Well I care. My father cared. He taught me not to criticize another for something I can not do myself. Quaint, huh? "You want to open your mouth, let's see how good you are, huh? Otherwise shut the heck up." That was my Pops. Part of the Greatest Generation. You did. You didn't talk about it. So you do you, buddy. I've said what I needed. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make a table. — Dr. Johnson. May you say to the carpenter "he sucks"? Or would that be reserved for the carpentry forums?
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Post by bensbrothersbrother on May 1, 2023 19:08:06 GMT -5
I just hate to see you get so upset about nothing. I'm not feeling the concern & what makes you think I'm upset? & if it's nothing why are you weighing in?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2023 19:23:54 GMT -5
Yes, my post was foolish. More foolish than not recognizing it is all relative. No one denies making the bigs makes you better than billions of non-baseball playing humans. Who cares? The question is how are you relative to other big leaguers. Otherwise, they would all be all-stars. We’ll just agree to use different measures. You include every living human, I’ll go with just pros. Well I care. My father cared. He taught me not to criticize another for something I can not do myself. Quaint, huh? "You want to open your mouth, let's see how good you are, huh? Otherwise shut the heck up." That was my Pops. Part of the Greatest Generation. You did. You didn't talk about it. So you do you, buddy. I've said what I needed. My dad had a botched hernia operation many years ago. Is it off putting to you if I criticize the doctor even if I'll never possess the skills he had? Would it be so wrong to prefer a doctor who is much better than the doctor my father had? Should the frame of reference evaluating that doctor be comparing him to other more competent doctors or comparing him to schmucks like me who cant even stand the sight of blood?
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