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Post by tizzle on Jul 28, 2021 11:33:36 GMT -5
I could see ownership pushing Bloom to be aggressive whether that's in a supportive way or even in sort of a "we're in first, flags fly forever, let's get something done here" sort of way. I have a harder time seeing them specifically pushing him to trade for a specific player unless it was in response to internal talks in which he laid out several scenarios and they were like "we like this one make it happen" or something. Like I don't think John Henry at this point is calling up Bloom and saying hey, I saw Buster Olney said Max Scherzer is available. He's a big name - go get him at all costs. I was going to say something similar. "pushing him to make a deal" could mean any number of things. Stuff like that, in snippets and Tweets, lacks context. Telling him they'd be fine with adding Max's contract if he wants to, or telling him they want him to do it and they'll be pissed if he doesn't, and like a thousand points in between those two, all could be reported as "pushing him to make a deal". This ownership group ha had it's missteps, but at this point in time, I personally don't see them forcing their GM's hand to make a trade he doesn't want to make.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 28, 2021 12:04:16 GMT -5
My thoughts on this are that Dombrowski was fired because of the fact he stripped the minor leagues and Bloom was brought in to build it back up. It seems ludicrous to believe that the owners would put pressure on him now to make a deal that would cost minor league players. He may make a small deal from the rule 5 options. I just don't see a deal for a feature player that will cripple the minors at this point. The owners are not stupid to put pressure on Bloom after seeing how well he has been building this team so far
The fact that we never saw any of his moves previously, I have a firm belief that we will be surprised in whatever he pulls out of his hat.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 28, 2021 12:05:51 GMT -5
Cron's away numbers are, well, Dalbecian. You may have made a substantial contribution to baseball lexicon. "Dalbecian" might someday rival Mendoza. It certainly rolls off the tongue. I really like Dalbec and hope “Dalbecian” becomes synonymous with towering 110 MPH HRs, but, sadly, the current data don’t indicate that as a near-term event.
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 28, 2021 12:13:45 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jul 28, 2021 12:14:36 GMT -5
My thoughts on this are that Dombrowski was fired because of the fact he stripped the minor leagues and Bloom was brought in to build it back up. It seems ludicrous to believe that the owners would put pressure on him now to make a deal that would cost minor league players. He may make a small deal from the rule 5 options. I just don't see a deal for a feature player that will cripple the minors at this point. The owners are not stupid to put pressure on Bloom after seeing how well he has been building this team so far The fact that we never saw any of his moves previously, I have a firm belief that we will be surprised in whatever he pulls out of his hat.
I thought Dombrowski was fired for re-signing Sale when he was obviously injured, and Pierce and Eovaldi. I think John Henry in particular wanted him to be a little ruthless and build on the strength of the WS team. He even mentioned something about “I didn’t think we were going to bring back the exact same team.” High level execs always want improvement in performance and creativity, not the same.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 28, 2021 12:16:41 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 28, 2021 12:17:52 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 28, 2021 12:22:07 GMT -5
The highly regarded Luzardo has had a pretty disappointing season. Breaks his hand playing video games and hasn't really rebounded
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 28, 2021 12:23:32 GMT -5
A's top prospect in 2020 now graduated 4+ years of team control left...the first significant overpay this deadline? EDIT: Marlins pay entirety of the salary...so a reasonable deal? EDIT2: OK it's still a significant overpay...
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 28, 2021 12:25:01 GMT -5
Woof, if that's all there is to it then that trade is a dog for the A's. Luzardo sounds like he might be a guy they're anxious to sell, but 50 games of Marte just isn't worth much.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 28, 2021 12:49:04 GMT -5
Cron's away numbers are, well, Dalbecian. Rockies first baseman C.J. Cron left last night’s game with a groin strain and will be further evaluated today. Manager Bud Black said after the game that the Rockies have their “fingers crossed” that Cron won’t require a trip to the 10-day injured list (Twitter link via The Athletic’s Nick Groke), though that very comment is seemingly an acknowledgement of such a possibility. If Cron does head to the injured list, that would likely dash any hopes of the Rockies trading him — or at least of receiving much at all in return. (Injured players can still be traded.) Let's trade Andriese (who's under contract for next year) for Cron. But make him give Whitlock his phone number first.
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Post by lancect on Jul 28, 2021 12:50:00 GMT -5
Homecoming to Miami for Luzardo, he grew up in Parkland and played for Stoneman Douglas High School
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 28, 2021 12:53:07 GMT -5
I have noticed that every trade proposal has been linked to the Yankees.
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Post by nomar on Jul 28, 2021 13:08:50 GMT -5
If a rental Marte costs that much I’m kind of scared
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 28, 2021 13:12:34 GMT -5
Guys, it's Jim Bowden talking here. I put zero trust in what he's saying. I change the channel on mlbnetwork in the car when he is on. Even after all of our drubbing of the MFY he still keeps saying the Yankees will be there and are the better team. It's like he gets advertising dollars every time he says their names. I think it's more linked to his job being dependent on followers/listeners. He thinks 'say Yankees a lot and I'll keep my job'. Same with the trade rumors he makes up, if people tune in or click, his metrics look better and he stands to keep his job. (I'm guessing he gets paid a lot for an easy job that any of us could do)
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 28, 2021 13:54:45 GMT -5
Would the Marlins entertain a swap of Duran, Dalbec, Wilson + for Alcantara?
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Post by jimoh on Jul 28, 2021 14:05:09 GMT -5
Would the Marlins entertain a swap of Duran, Dalbec, Wilson + for Alcantara? Alcantara's mom died last week.
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Post by soxaddict on Jul 28, 2021 14:13:17 GMT -5
If a rental Marte costs that much I’m kind of scared Yeah, but I’m not surprised. IMO, the best rental outfielder available and getting the Marlins to pay the remaining salary is worth a premium, not to mention the offers the Marlins already had for Marte. Can you imagine what Scherzer is going to bring in? With a bidding war going on out west, it’s going to be a ridiculous haul.
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Post by nomar on Jul 28, 2021 14:14:46 GMT -5
If a rental Marte costs that much I’m kind of scared Yeah, but I’m not surprised. IMO, the best rental outfielder available and getting the Marlins to pay the remaining salary is worth a premium, not to mention the offers the Marlins already had for Marte. Can you imagine what Scherzer is going to bring in? With a bidding war going on out west, it’s going to be a ridiculous haul. Yeah I’m hoping weren’t being more creative than Scherzer. Price will be too high
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 28, 2021 14:20:26 GMT -5
I read one thing that said this trade means you must really love Abraham Toro and his .352 .485 .593 1.078 in 68 AAA PA this year and his 324 .411 .527 .938 in nearly a full season of AA-AAA in 2019, despite his poor mlb numbers (except for 7 hrs in 123 PA--including one in his first AB in Seattle last night!--which of course they could not love in advance. His OPS in Seattle is 5.000). And you have to think that closers are easily replaceable. Closers with an era below 1 are easily replaceable? And you trade him to the team in front of you in your division? Maybe in the long run it works out and this guy rakes but in the short run every guy in your locker room is saying WTF!! In the short run he lost the room and that team has already had a tough season based on the inept FO. You think they implode or make the playoffs? Closers with an ERA below 1 can have an ERA of 2.5 after one bad game.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 28, 2021 14:23:55 GMT -5
I want Scherzer but can't ownership just let Chaim do his job? damn I agree nothing good ever happens when ownership changes their mindset on a whim. Stay out of it and let Chaim do his job. That's when you wind up with Carl Crawford and Hanley Ramirez.
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Post by e on Jul 28, 2021 14:26:50 GMT -5
I feel like Renfroe could be a good trade candidate. Chaim talked about looking for unconventional upgrades in certain areas and trading Renfroe could help with that. He's probably our best trade chip that wouldn't dent the farm system, could get us something legitimate back, and isn't a highly integral part of the team. Not saying this would happen, but just a thought.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 28, 2021 14:27:29 GMT -5
I could see ownership pushing Bloom to be aggressive whether that's in a supportive way or even in sort of a "we're in first, flags fly forever, let's get something done here" sort of way. I have a harder time seeing them specifically pushing him to trade for a specific player unless it was in response to internal talks in which he laid out several scenarios and they were like "we like this one make it happen" or something. Like I don't think John Henry at this point is calling up Bloom and saying hey, I saw Buster Olney said Max Scherzer is available. He's a big name - go get him at all costs. Hopefully it's more along the lines of "Hey Chaim, if you can make a trade that makes sense for Scherzer, we're good with adding to the budget."
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Post by jmei on Jul 28, 2021 14:27:45 GMT -5
Renfroe is a highly integral part of this team.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2021 14:28:50 GMT -5
I feel like Renfroe could be a good trade candidate. Chaim talked about looking for unconventional upgrades in certain areas and trading Renfroe could help with that. He's probably our best trade chip that wouldn't dent the farm system, could get us something legitimate back, and isn't a highly integral part of the team. Not saying this would happen, but just a thought. I don't follow, how is Renfroe not a highly integral part of this team? Beyond the big 3 of offense, Renfroe (or either Verdugo) has been the next best hitter, and his defense has been gold glove caliber. Renfroe isn't going anywhere this year.
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