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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 29, 2021 14:09:24 GMT -5
Years ago, on the old message board (so I can't quote the specific post) Mike Andrews outlined the entire draft signing process, which was then much more complex and drawn out because of the "Draft and Follow" process that many draftees went through back then. He had like eight different numbered points legitimately detailing the signing process after the draft. IIRC, the last point he made was something like, "8. Everybody freaks out right up until the deadline and the draftees initially predicted to sign actually sign." Maybe Fabian signs, but first we need to all freak out for another couple days and Mike will be proven right on a post he made like 13 years ago. One can hope. It is reasonable to wonder why I remember a specific message board post from that long ago. Its kina weird, really.  www.tapatalk.com/groups/redsoxprospects57174/viewtopic.php?p=249071#p249071 |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 29, 2021 19:46:30 GMT -5
After Aug 1st can the Red Sox still sign undrafted picks.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 29, 2021 20:14:07 GMT -5
After Aug 1st can the Red Sox still sign undrafted picks. Yes. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 30, 2021 11:42:11 GMT -5
Cubs draft signing below. Never seen this before and honestly didn't even know this was a possible arrangement:
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 30, 2021 12:00:48 GMT -5
Cubs draft signing below. Never seen this before and honestly didn't even know this was a possible arrangement: I wonder what the Cubs long term plan for his growth and improvement is then? University of Chicago doesn't play Division 1 for any sport that I'm aware of. It's also not like he's Noah Song and has an advanced profile even if he takes a couple years off from playing super competitive baseball. I guess improvement is measured in the stuff as much as it is the results, and if he's in the same city he can still be getting instruction and they can have some sort of program for him. Interested to see how this works out. |
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Post by jchang on Jul 30, 2021 12:03:04 GMT -5
Cubs draft signing below. Never seen this before and honestly didn't even know this was a possible arrangement: This type of arrangement should be available to any draftee or undrafted with low signing bonus below some amount Signer can no longer play college baseball and attends pro camp after school |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2021 12:16:49 GMT -5
Cubs draft signing below. Never seen this before and honestly didn't even know this was a possible arrangement: I wonder what the Cubs long term plan for his growth and improvement is then? University of Chicago doesn't play Division 1 for any sport that I'm aware of. It's also not like he's Noah Song and has an advanced profile even if he takes a couple years off from playing super competitive baseball. I guess improvement is measured in the stuff as much as it is the results, and if he's in the same city he can still be getting instruction and they can have some sort of program for him. Interested to see how this works out. I mean if he signed a pro contract he can't play in college. Would seem the plan is he goes to school and comes to them over the summer. If you think he's going to need a couple years at the complex it makes some sense. |
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Post by sarcasmo on Jul 30, 2021 15:19:36 GMT -5
Isn't Leiter doing the same thing?
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Post by kman22 on Jul 30, 2021 15:51:20 GMT -5
Lawlar got $6.7M, slightly more than Mayer.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 30, 2021 19:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 30, 2021 19:10:33 GMT -5
Wow, when I heard Hickey was demanding 1 million I figured the was negotiating and the Sox would meet him around 800k.
So Fabian ain’t even getting 2.5 now. They called Fabians bluff who really has no negotiating power now. Take the 2.1 million or go back to school.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 30, 2021 19:11:03 GMT -5
If I have my math correct, the Red Sox can offer Fabian $2,100,580 without going over the cap + 5%. Alternatively, the Red Sox have $243,880 to spend on Kavadas, Ehrhard, and Guerrero (assuming Green and Hood will not sign).
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 19:11:31 GMT -5
Someone with more working brain cells than me should figure out (1) how much they can offer Fabian and (2) if they don’t sign Fabian, how much they can offer Kavadas.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2021 19:11:51 GMT -5
If I have my math correct, the Red Sox can offer Fabian $2,100,580 without going over the cap + 5%. Alternatively, the Red Sox have $243,880 to spend on Kavadas, Ehrhard, and Guerrero (assuming Green and Hood will not sign). Damnit dude slow down |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 30, 2021 19:15:32 GMT -5
You would think if Fabian is bluffing he might as well just sign now. No point in posturing now. I guess it doesn’t matter what we hear from his camp because we’re going to know soon one way or another.
I hope next years draft class is deep.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 30, 2021 19:17:36 GMT -5
Yes, unless Fabian really was posturing and has self doubts/wants to start his career, we're on to 2022.
Edit: I assume this is the white flag to not signing Fabian.
You kids are too young to remember you would lose a pick if you didn't sign them, making the Trot Nixon negotiations a huge deal. With getting the pick next year, the Sox will be fine.
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Post by unitspin on Jul 30, 2021 19:41:07 GMT -5
Its a bummer but if jud believes he can turn it around and double his bonus then its worth the gamble. But when you gamble you can lose as well. Brady Aiken comes to mind he lost millions and that was his one chance to cash in.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 30, 2021 20:32:28 GMT -5
] You kids are too young to remember you would lose a pick if you didn't sign them, making the Trot Nixon negotiations a huge deal. With getting the pick next year, the Sox will be fine. 1986 made me sad in more ways than one. Sox with the 14th pick took Greg McMurtry an outstanding baseball and football player at Brockton High School. He turned down a big bonus to play football at Michigan, then later caught passes for four years, the first three with the Patriots. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2021 23:07:21 GMT -5
Luis Guerrero is in Fort Myers and has pitcher for the red Sox in his IG bio. Looks like he's signing.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 30, 2021 23:15:42 GMT -5
Fabian should hire whoever Hickey’s agent was next go around. Dude made out like a bandit.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 30, 2021 23:23:25 GMT -5
Cubs draft signing below. Never seen this before and honestly didn't even know this was a possible arrangement: "Good aptitude." I should hope to smoke a pickle, as our neighbors' mom across the street used to say. They don't let kids with bad aptitude into U. Chicago. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 30, 2021 23:25:59 GMT -5
Good. I had a better feeling about Hickey than Fabian anyway. Give me the kid that already carries a rake. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2021 23:35:05 GMT -5
no biggie on Fabian- would’ve been nice to get him in the system but at the same time there is definitely a lot of risk there and it just makes next year fun
Glad they were able to get Hickey and Guerrero in the building
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 30, 2021 23:59:12 GMT -5
I was not a big Fabian fan and I've been relatively consistent about this. For all the talk about his swing mechanics, it was his pitch recognition skills that worried me most this past season. It obviously depends on how things settle during the offseason, but it's not impossible to believe the Sox end up with a comp round pick as well. It's very hard to scout HS players (so I don't really bother) but supposedly it might be another good year for HS players, and with multiple selections the Sox could make something interesting happen. If they decide to go in the same direction again though, it definitely should be a deeper year for college hitting.
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Jul 31, 2021 11:05:11 GMT -5
I haven’t seen anything on Ehrhard, who I believe Mike projected to sign at $125k or less, so if I’m looking at the numbers correctly, the Hickey signing leaves them with $243,980 to split between Guerrero and Kavadas (in addition to the $125k each that doesn’t count towards the pool). Since they don’t have a deadline tomorrow with Kavadas, I guess they just offer him whatever’s left after Guerrero and let him think about it for a while?
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