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2021 Draft Signing Period
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Post by azblue on Jul 31, 2021 11:43:32 GMT -5
Look at 2022 draft class by ProspectsLive: "2022 MLB Draft. Off the cuff, the 2022 class looks much, much healthier in terms of college bats. It’s also loaded with high octane prep arms. As it stands today, it might be a lighter year on the college pitching side, but there’s a ton of time between now and next July for guys to really pop and take enormous leaps forward." On the surface, no reason to think that the quality of the choices when the Sox draft at 41 will be less than it was this year. Prospects Live preview of 2022 draft |
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Post by nomar on Jul 31, 2021 12:06:37 GMT -5
Really hope they sign Kavadas. I can live with Fabian giving us back a 2nd rounder next year but Kavadas was my favorite pick
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Post by bcsox on Jul 31, 2021 12:21:59 GMT -5
Why no 8/1 deadline with Kavadas? Is there a deadline for him?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 31, 2021 12:35:21 GMT -5
The deadline to sign Fabian, Hickey, Kavadas, Ehrhard, Green, Guerrero, and Hood is tomorrow at 5pm.
Obviously Hickey and Guerrero are rumored to be done, but nothing official yet.
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Jul 31, 2021 12:40:25 GMT -5
Why no 8/1 deadline with Kavadas? Is there a deadline for him? No 8/1 deadline for seniors because they should theoretically be out of eligibility. Since he has the extra Covid year of eligibility, I assume he can sign up until he returns to school, assuming he does. ETA: Maybe they do have a deadline with Kavadas (emphasis mine): EXCEPTION: A college senior with no baseball eligibility left remains on the club's Negotiation List until the player signs or until one week prior to the next Rule 4 Draft (whichever comes first). I haven’t been able to find anything else specific to college seniors with remaining eligibility. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2021 12:48:58 GMT -5
Why no 8/1 deadline with Kavadas? Is there a deadline for him? Because he's a college senior. Don't ask me to elaborate. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2021 12:49:51 GMT -5
The deadline to sign Fabian, Hickey, Kavadas, Ehrhard, Green, Guerrero, and Hood is tomorrow at 5pm. Obviously Hickey and Guerrero are rumored to be done, but nothing official yet. Guerrero would be a solid get. EDIT: ... solid got, according to Chris. |
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 31, 2021 13:08:16 GMT -5
Look at 2022 draft class by ProspectsLive: "2022 MLB Draft. Off the cuff, the 2022 class looks much, much healthier in terms of college bats. It’s also loaded with high octane prep arms. As it stands today, it might be a lighter year on the college pitching side, but there’s a ton of time between now and next July for guys to really pop and take enormous leaps forward." On the surface, no reason to think that the quality of the choices when the Sox draft at 41 will be less than it was this year. Prospects Live preview of 2022 draftGood to see that people who actually are experts who do this for a living have a similar take on things as I did. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 31, 2021 13:21:04 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2021 13:40:41 GMT -5
I'll give him one thing: he's got a killer agent. And he's not lacking in self-confidence (no ugly gf on his arm...). |
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Jul 31, 2021 14:24:22 GMT -5
Callis says that Fabian is likely headed back to Florida:
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Jul 31, 2021 14:42:30 GMT -5
We may never know what the final offer to Fabian was but if it turns out that they didn’t offer him $2.5 or they did it with a time window, I’m ok with that. I’d like to see them sign him but I’m not enamored with him and, given the choice, I’d take a package of Hickey, Kavadas (assuming they get him done), and next year’s 41 over Fabian.
One note on next year, though: if the Sox sign a FA with a QO attached, they’ll lose the 41st pick and keep their original ‘22 pick, which will obviously be much lower.
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Post by jchang on Jul 31, 2021 15:15:58 GMT -5
We may never know what the final offer to Fabian was but if it turns out that they didn’t offer him $2.5 or they did it with a time window, I’m ok with that. I’d like to see them sign him but I’m not enamored with him and, given the choice, I’d take a package of Hickey, Kavadas (assuming they get him done), and next year’s 41 over Fabian. One note on next year, though: if the Sox sign a FA with a QO attached, they’ll lose the 41st pick and keep their original ‘22 pick, which will obviously be much lower. The Sox had 3m? If both signed. Presuming hickey’s price had been 1m all along, then the initial Sox offer could have been 2.6 to Fabian and slot to hickey or somewhat less to fab and more to hickey. Since Fabian did not accept whatever his offer was , the Sox gave hickey his price, which is high considering his rank, while 2.6 to fab would have been inline with his ranking. Oh well, time to move on |
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Jul 31, 2021 15:32:08 GMT -5
We may never know what the final offer to Fabian was but if it turns out that they didn’t offer him $2.5 or they did it with a time window, I’m ok with that. I’d like to see them sign him but I’m not enamored with him and, given the choice, I’d take a package of Hickey, Kavadas (assuming they get him done), and next year’s 41 over Fabian. One note on next year, though: if the Sox sign a FA with a QO attached, they’ll lose the 41st pick and keep their original ‘22 pick, which will obviously be much lower. The Sox had 3m? If both signed. Presuming hickey’s price had been 1m all along, then the initial Sox offer could have been 2.6 to Fabian and slot to hickey or somewhat less to fab and more to hickey. Since Fabian did not accept whatever his offer was , the Sox gave hickey his price, which is high considering his rank, while 2.6 to fab would have been inline with his ranking. Oh well, time to move on Nope, I guess I wasn’t clear: they could have offered Fabian all of their remaining pool (around 2.6) and not done Hickey, Kavadas (assuming he gets over slot), and maybe Guerrero (same qualifier). I think they already knew they couldn’t sign Hickey at slot. Instead, they gave Hickey $1M and have about $243k left for Kavadas/Guerrero. Btw, I just listened to the most recent podcast and Ian basically said what I said above, that 2022 #41, Hickey and Kavadas > Fabian. |
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 31, 2021 15:42:07 GMT -5
I am going to assume that Hickey forgot the word ENOUGH in his posting
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Post by radiohix on Jul 31, 2021 15:47:50 GMT -5
I am going to assume that Hickey forgot the word ENOUGH in his posting Had to go back and read it again to understand what you were alluding to lmao |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2021 15:51:27 GMT -5
I am going to assume that Hickey forgot the word ENOUGH in his posting I've gotten so used to reading ridiculous auto-corrects and bad grammar that I don't even notice anymore. |
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 31, 2021 15:59:59 GMT -5
I am going to assume that Hickey forgot the word ENOUGH in his posting I've gotten so used to reading ridiculous auto-corrects and bad grammar that I don't even notice anymore. Ya, we have all been there. Kinda funny when it changes the message by 180 degrees |
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Post by chr31ter on Jul 31, 2021 17:46:30 GMT -5
You know, guys... I'm really starting to think that Jud Fabian may not sign.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 31, 2021 18:09:37 GMT -5
I'd rather have the extra money next season than Fabian this season, but what happens if you don't use all of your cap money? Do you get to carry it over?
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 31, 2021 18:12:38 GMT -5
No.
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Post by kman22 on Jul 31, 2021 18:20:48 GMT -5
You know, guys... I'm really starting to think that Jud Fabian may not sign. Based on the DMCA crackdown that's been happening, can't think that tweet is long for this world |
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Post by auger1 on Jul 31, 2021 18:22:37 GMT -5
I guess I’ll be the lone dissenting voice on this. If the day after the draft you said that the Sox were going to sign Hickey for $1M and forgo signing Fabian, literally everyone on this board would be freaking out and wondering what the hell happened.
All we have to go by are the industry rankings, which obviously have less info than Chaim, but when a contract looks this out of whack (which is to say it looks completely freaking insane) it’s never good.
Let’s hope this works out but, as of now, it doesn’t look good.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 31, 2021 18:26:06 GMT -5
I'm thinking of Hickey as a typical 5th round talent that played his cards well after the draft, and not a "real" overslot talent. Does that sound right to you guys, or is Hickey better than I'm thinking?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 31, 2021 18:29:39 GMT -5
I'd rather have the extra money next season than Fabian this season, but what happens if you don't use all of your cap money? Do you get to carry it over? They won’t have any money left over, they lose Fabians slot amount and what’s left is going to go to Kavadas |
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