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2021 Draft Signing Period
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2021 14:48:05 GMT -5
I was trying to figure out who Elmer.Javierr was. Then I figured out that they didn't draft multiple Elmers.
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Post by homerdante on Jul 24, 2021 14:51:16 GMT -5
So according to the above (not updated on Draft History page yet), Waiting on: Fabian Hickey Kavadas Ehrhard and then 15 and beyond which we're not expecting a couple to sign anyway? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2021 5:36:33 GMT -5
If the kid left money on the table 4 years or so away from the bigs so essentially the team could give more money to an unknown draft pick then his agent should be fired on the spot and have his professional license taken away. He signed for slot because his alternative was to go to college, risking injury or poor performance in the three years until being eligible for the draft again and then needing to still be a top four or five pick in 2024 to get a similar payday.
Also, many expect the new CBA to include an international draft, which could mean a much larger pool of players to beat out for that top four or five pick. He made the right decision, not least because he signed with a big-market team that is always trying to build a contender.
He likely signed for slot for one simple (ok 2) reasons. He wanted to sign quickly and slot in the top 4 or so picks was a lot of money. He likely wasn’t motivated to give money to others or have better teammates. He just wanted to get it over with and start his career. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2021 5:39:38 GMT -5
I need one of those lists that shows the draft picks to see who signed and hasn’t and for what amount (I’d know) compared to slot. Who’s making that? Or where is it? Lol
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 25, 2021 5:49:23 GMT -5
I need one of those lists that shows the draft picks to see who signed and hasn’t and for what amount (I’d know) compared to slot. Who’s making that? Or where is it? Lol |
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jul 25, 2021 7:45:07 GMT -5
Another update of draft signing projections. Italics = known bonus.
Top Ten Rounds (entire amount counts towards bonus cap)
Round, Overall Pick, Player, Projected Bonus
1 Marcelo Mayer $6,640,000
2 Jud Fabian $2,750,000
3 Tyler McDonough $831,100
4 Elmer Rodriguez $200,000
5 Nathan Hickey $800,000
6 Daniel McElveny $200,000
7 Wyatt Olds $100,000
8 Hunter Dobbins $100,000
9 Tyler Miller $125,000
10 Matt Litwicki $47,500
After 10th round, above $125K (first $125,000 does not count towards bonus cap)
11 Niko Kavadas $175,000 ($50k towards cap)
After 10th round, possible $125,000 or less signs (count $0 towards cap)
12 Christopher Troye
13 Zach Ehrhard
14 Jacob Webb
16 BJ Vela
18 Phillip Sikes
19 Tyler Uberstine
Total spent towards cap using these projections: $11,867,600
Red Sox Cap: $11,359,600
Red Sox Cap +5%: (no draft pick penalty): $11,927,580
Super wicked early projected not to sign
15 Payton Green
17 Luis Guerrero
20 Josh Hood
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 25, 2021 9:27:48 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 25, 2021 11:20:49 GMT -5
If Fabian is getting close to 3M, I hope he’s worth it because the draft will be based on that move.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2021 12:10:17 GMT -5
If Fabian is getting close to 3M, I hope he’s worth it because the draft will be based on that move. I think it's based more on that first pick they made. |
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 25, 2021 12:27:01 GMT -5
If Fabian is getting close to 3M, I hope he’s worth it because the draft will be based on that move. If we’re signing our other guys then how is the draft based on our 2nd round pick? If 2 players from this draft makes the team and is a full time player then it was a successful draft. Don’t matter what pick or if they were paid over slot or under slot. It’s Blooms job to figure out how to sign as many as these guys as he can. I think so far he’s the GM of the year and looking at Tampa’s farm system i will trust the process. |
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 25, 2021 13:00:38 GMT -5
If Fabian is getting close to 3M, I hope he’s worth it because the draft will be based on that move. I think it's based more on that first pick they made. That could go down in the best pick this decade. Top player in the draft at the slot price?  |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 25, 2021 13:09:46 GMT -5
Listen the top pick fell to them, he would have to be an idiot to not pick him. The 2nd round pick was the decision do you understand Jimed14.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2021 13:13:17 GMT -5
Listen the top pick fell to them, he would have to be an idiot to not pick him. The 2nd round pick was the decision do you understand Jimed14. I don't really care who gets blame or credit. We got Mayer in that draft. The draft is based on that. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 25, 2021 13:13:34 GMT -5
Listen the top pick fell to them, he would have to be an idiot to not pick him. The 2nd round pick was the decision do you understand Jimed14. So if their second rd pick sucks but their 3 and 5 are great the draft sucks? Weird |
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 25, 2021 15:25:24 GMT -5
If Fabian is getting close to 3M, I hope he’s worth it because the draft will be based on that move. I think it's based more on that first pick they made. I agree the top pick is huge, though he signed at slot. I think the follow up comment about Fabian dealt more with the financial flexibility Boston has/had. If Fabian ties up any under slot monies and the 5% overage, then that greatly limits what Boston 'might' be albe to do with lower draftees. If Fabian won't sign, then that frees up monies for other players. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2021 15:36:02 GMT -5
I think it's based more on that first pick they made. I agree the top pick is huge, though he signed at slot. I think the follow up comment about Fabian dealt more with the financial flexibility Boston has/had. If Fabian ties up any under slot monies and the 5% overage, then that greatly limits what Boston 'might' be albe to do with lower draftees. If Fabian won't sign, then that frees up monies for other players. I totally get it, but it's so worth the risk to take someone in the 2nd round who was in the top 10 the prior year, especially after getting such a stud at #4. Even if Fabian stinks and never gets above AA, it's still worth the risk. That's the MLB draft. It's not the NFL where you can't afford to miss on your 2nd round picks unless your name is Bill Belichick.
I personally am not a fan of the crazy power/questionable hit tool profile, but then again, he fell crazy far which is sometimes for good reason and other times is a massive overreaction.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 25, 2021 16:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 25, 2021 17:38:43 GMT -5
Looks like Wyatt Olds got full slot and Hunter Dobbins was $11,100 over slot per the BA draft database.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 25, 2021 17:42:08 GMT -5
Not going to do the full math, but looks like before the cap + 5% amount the Red Sox have gone about $250,000 underslot in the first ten rounds and can spread that to Fabian, Hickey, Kavadas, Ehrhard, Green, Guerrero, and Hood.
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 25, 2021 18:03:01 GMT -5
Not going to do the full math, but looks like before the cap + 5% amount the Red Sox have gone about $250,000 underslot in the first ten rounds and can spread that to Fabian, Hickey, Kavadas, Ehrhard, Green, Guerrero, and Hood. |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 25, 2021 19:30:00 GMT -5
Gosh I wish we could use Fabian’s money for Green
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Post by philarhody on Jul 25, 2021 19:31:01 GMT -5
I agree the top pick is huge, though he signed at slot. I think the follow up comment about Fabian dealt more with the financial flexibility Boston has/had. If Fabian ties up any under slot monies and the 5% overage, then that greatly limits what Boston 'might' be albe to do with lower draftees. If Fabian won't sign, then that frees up monies for other players. Makes me wonder what Green would sign for. If all it would take is $1M to sign him then Fabian going over slot is effectively costing the Sox Green. There were a couple of guys drafted immediately after Fabian who signed for slot, so there's some room to speculate if Fabian was the best allocation of resources instead of a player like Jaden Hill (or whoever you're preferred player is) plus Green. That likely doesn't make or break the draft, but it's a consideration. I don’t think it works that way. I’m pretty sure the pool is for picks 1-10, then picks 10-20 have a seperate pool/signing system. |
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Post by redsox3in10 on Jul 25, 2021 19:43:39 GMT -5
Not going to do the full math, but looks like before the cap + 5% amount the Red Sox have gone about $250,000 underslot in the first ten rounds and can spread that to Fabian, Hickey, Kavadas, Ehrhard, Green, Guerrero, and Hood. I think I would be happy with Fabian/Hickey/Kavadas at this point. Everything else would be gravy. |
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 25, 2021 19:54:24 GMT -5
This worries me. The idea of not signing one of your top 10 guys because you can’t get the money right is not a good look. Hopefully they’re able to get it done. That being said, if it’s down to one or the other I take Fabian every day. He has the upside at the plate but also has defensive value. Hickey isn’t a sure bet to stay at catcher and his defensive value in that situation is slim.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 25, 2021 19:57:40 GMT -5
Based on what I've heard, everyone probably needs to get the idea of Green out of their heads. I just don't see how it works.
Hickey's price tag is higher than you'd think. They can sign Fabian for like $2.6m+ but that'd leave slot for Hickey which is unlikely to get it done.
They simply will not have $1M to sign Green unless both Fabian and Hickey come way down.
Based on the way this all worked out, I think Hickey might be the Fabian insurance.
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