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7/15-7/18 Red Sox @ Yankees Thread
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Post by ramireja on Jul 14, 2021 23:49:46 GMT -5
7/15 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez, 6-5, 5.52, 89.2 IP, 104K:21BB) @ Yankees (RHP Domingo German, 4-5, 4.44, 81.0 IP, 75K:19BB) 7:08 pm ET, ESPN/WEEI7/16 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez, 6-5, 5.52, 89.2 IP, 104K:21BB) @ Yankees (LHP Jordan Montgomery, 3-4, 4.16, 93.0 IP, 95K:28BB) 7:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 7/17 Red Sox (RHP Nathan Eovaldi, 9-5, 3.66, 103.1 IP, 99K:20BB) @ Yankees (RHP Gerrit Cole, 9-4, 2.68, 114.0 IP, 147K:22BB) 7:15 pm ET, FOX/WEEI 7/18 Red Sox (LHP Martin Perez, 7-5, 4.04, 84.2 IP, 69K:29BB) @ Yankees (RHP Jameson Taillon, 4-4, 4.90, 82.2 IP, 86K:24BB) 7:08 pm ET, ESPN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2021: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by ramireja on Jul 14, 2021 23:50:20 GMT -5
To be updated once the Yankees set their rotation...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 15, 2021 1:51:04 GMT -5
ERod might be pitching for his trade value here.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 15, 2021 5:04:14 GMT -5
To be updated once the Yankees set their rotation... Cole in his career has been better on 4 days rest than 5, but he's been much better this year on 5 and they've only had him start on 4 days rest 4 times. So he has to be the starter in game 2.
Game 1 starter would be either Montgomery on 6 days rest, or Nelson Cortes, the soft-tossing lefty who shut us down mopping up the first game of the first series in NY, on 5. Taillon likely starts game 3 on 5 days rest, where he's thrived over his career, although they might give him another day.
My guess is Montgomery, Cole, Taillon, Cortes.
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Post by cheers on Jul 15, 2021 5:55:19 GMT -5
Sweep those filthy Bronx infidels right into sell-mode.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 15, 2021 7:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2021 8:13:53 GMT -5
So DFA Brice and send down Chavis? Then go to a four man bench once we get a 1B to platoon with Dalbec?
Given that Andriese only pitched a total of 9 1/3 innings the last month anyway and August has more off days. With both Houck and Whitlock in the pen I’d imagine they could manage with one fewer reliever for a month.
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Post by cba82 on Jul 15, 2021 8:16:04 GMT -5
The Red Sox are using the opportunity of the All Star break to skip over Garrett Richards in the rotation; no complaints here.
With Houck joining the team, will he slot into the rotation and Richards go to the bullpen? I’m skeptical about that, since Richards seems to improve after his first inning of work.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 15, 2021 9:24:23 GMT -5
The Red Sox are using the opportunity of the All Star break to skip over Garrett Richards in the rotation; no complaints here. With Houck joining the team, will he slot into the rotation and Richards go to the bullpen? I’m skeptical about that, since Richards seems to improve after his first inning of work. They won't be starting Houck and moving Richards to the pen. Houck isn't stretched out enough and Richards has been reasonably impressive re-inventing himself on the fly. I'm guessing the skip of Richards is partly that he has been less effective than the others, but also to give him more time to work on his new repertoire.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 15, 2021 10:52:46 GMT -5
Hope the boys keep tending to their business just like the 1st half. Tough go for Eduardo against all the righties, but he can get the job done.
Great draft. Duran called up. Sale on the horizon. The MFY's in the first series after the break. It's a great time right now !!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 15, 2021 10:53:49 GMT -5
It's a possibility Houck is a 6th starter, but also possible (and I'd guess based on his usage in Worcester) that he's in the role they hoped Andriese would fill better of being able to pull long relief as well as late, high-leverage short work.
It probably comes down to whether they think it's more helpful for him to piggyback and get guys out early or to start and get guys an extra day of rest.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 15, 2021 10:54:25 GMT -5
ERod might be pitching for his trade value here. I can't imagine how this club would be in a position to trade a starting pitcher...
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 15, 2021 11:32:16 GMT -5
ERod might be pitching for his trade value here. I can't imagine how this club would be in a position to trade a starting pitcher... Absolutely. They don't have guys to spare. We have no idea how Sale will look and when he'll be in the rotation. And they've been spared from injuries to their starters so far. All of that argues for bringing in reinforcements like Houck, and not for trading pieces.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2021 11:45:50 GMT -5
ERod might be pitching for his trade value here. I can't imagine how this club would be in a position to trade a starting pitcher... Let alone the team leader in xERA, xFIP, and K-BB%!
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Post by tookme55 on Jul 15, 2021 12:06:57 GMT -5
ERod might be pitching for his trade value here. I can't imagine how this club would be in a position to trade a starting pitcher... I would prefer we sign E Rod to a team friendly deal. We can always trade him later if we have enough pitching options post 2021.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 15, 2021 12:37:14 GMT -5
So if things go right , the FO has to monitor Dalbec at 1B, and possible another bullpen piece at the deadline. Thank you Chaim for being smart. Houck and Duran with Sale right behind. I also thank Cora.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2021 13:21:31 GMT -5
Our bullpen is fine. Keep in mind the pen shortens up in October and the roster expands to 28 in September.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 15, 2021 13:37:19 GMT -5
ERod might be pitching for his trade value here. I can't imagine how this club would be in a position to trade a starting pitcher... My unposted reply, under the dubious principle of "if you can't say something snarky, don't say anything at all" was: I wasn't sure that people would get that this was literally true.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 15, 2021 13:47:22 GMT -5
Any word on what the corresponding moves were to add Duran to the 40 and call him and houck up?
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 15, 2021 13:57:08 GMT -5
I can't imagine how this club would be in a position to trade a starting pitcher... Absolutely. They don't have guys to spare. We have no idea how Sale will look and when he'll be in the rotation. And they've been spared from injuries to their starters so far. All of that argues for bringing in reinforcements like Houck, and not for trading pieces. All of the so called starting depth evaporated (Andriese ineffective, Whitlock needed in the pen, Seabold hurt, Houck hurt, Hart-Gonsalves-Gossett-Weber not effective). The starting 5 have needed to make every start as the options to replace them have been no better..... The starters could have been better, but first place 55-36 after 91 games, I will not complain about anything that happened in the first half.
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Post by evanstonredsox on Jul 15, 2021 13:58:17 GMT -5
Ian all over it
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 15, 2021 13:59:22 GMT -5
ERod might be pitching for his trade value here. Hopefully the Red Sox could get someone almost as good back.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 15, 2021 14:10:10 GMT -5
With Arroyo getting reps at first, maybe this will allow the Red Sox to DFA Santana to open the 40-man spot for Duran and send down Chavis. Gonzalez plays more defensive positions than Santana, so i would says he stays if it comes down to a DFA between them.
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Post by henry on Jul 15, 2021 14:32:16 GMT -5
DFA'ing Santana while on the IL would likely be seen as poor form (and not even sure on the legality, does anyone know?). For now they will likely DFA a reliever, Brice or Workman, and then DFA Santana once he is healthy to create flexibility to add back Brasier or Sale. Can't imagine Marwin is at any risk of being DFA'd given his versatility and defensive aptitude.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 15, 2021 15:00:33 GMT -5
DFA'ing Santana while on the IL would likely be seen as poor form (and not even sure on the legality, does anyone know?). For now they will likely DFA a reliever, Brice or Workman, and then DFA Santana once he is healthy to create flexibility to add back Brasier or Sale. Can't imagine Marwin is at any risk of being DFA'd given his versatility and defensive aptitude. This is being discussed both here and in Duran's thread while it actually belongs in the 40-man roster thread!
Given his history, it's likely that more one team would be interested in paying Santana MLB minimum the rest of the way, with the Sox paying the rest of it. Therefore, they may well be able to trade him to the most interested team for some kind of minimal return, a borderline prospect or small small salary relief. They can even offer to pay more than they're on the books for, in return for an actually interesting prospect, which would be very Bloom-like.
The DFA exists for the purpose of giving teams an opportunity to shop a player in trade after adding his replacement. Teams trade for guys on the IL all the time. It's not bad form at all.
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