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7/15-7/18 Red Sox @ Yankees Thread
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 15, 2021 16:21:10 GMT -5
They afraid of us
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Post by Guidas on Jul 15, 2021 16:26:21 GMT -5
Incidentally, I just saw a clip of Scott Gottlieb projecting this new covid wave; he was saying the models expected it to peak around late September. That could certainly end up making a giant mess of the post-season. For context, here's what's happening with covid cases in the UK, which has a higher vaccination rate than the US and where the Delta variant has had longer to take root. Sigh.
I'm going to write my congressfolks and suggest a new law: all the fucktards who didn't get vaccinated must partially refund their stimulus money. Half goes to infrastructure and half to subsidize free food delivery for those of us who did. I was tested 10 times (my wife is a VA nurse and was exposed almost weekly) and was negative every time. We both got vaccinated and I refuse to be locked down again. Plenty of evidence the effectiveness was nil or even worse than not locking down. And the mental health and other health implications have been horrific. I swear I'll move my whole family to Tennessee, Florida or Texas before going through that crap ever again.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 15, 2021 16:31:16 GMT -5
Incidentally, I just saw a clip of Scott Gottlieb projecting this new covid wave; he was saying the models expected it to peak around late September. That could certainly end up making a giant mess of the post-season.
For context, here's what's happening with covid cases in the UK, which has a higher vaccination rate than the US and where the Delta variant has had longer to take root.
Sigh.
I'm going to write my congressfolks and suggest a new law: all the fucktards who didn't get vaccinated must partially refund their stimulus money. Half goes to infrastructure and half to subsidize free food delivery for those of us who did. Inclined to agree except for the fact that vaccination does not preclude one from getting Covid, it does however lessen the symptoms or the likelihood of hospitalization. Me, personally, I want everyone to act responsibly and get the damn vaccine. it's 2 days, 30 minutes of your life if you get the Pfizer or Moderna. If you're a dude, the chances you even have side effects are minor compared to women (something to do with women's hormonal response to the vaccine, and I'm not saying this from a sexist place). This is yet another example of we can't have nice things because 40 percent of our population eats paint chips. But I do agree, there should be a consequence for refusing science and choosing ignorance, but that is a dangerous road to walk down in any supposedly free society. Best we can hope for right about now is natural selection. Who knows, maybe another 4-7 years of this and the commensurate IQ of surviving Americans might finally trend positively..
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2021 16:31:40 GMT -5
Does this mean the Yankees don't have enough to field a team? Just have them play shorthanded (it's their problem) or have them call-up some players from Somerset (NJ). Are you telling me they can't make it to the Bronx in time? Great, now we get 2 seven inning games this weekend? Are we going to be able to even play this weekend? This is BS. Get F-ing vaccinated!!! Idiots. The yankees were one of the first teams to pass MLBs 85 percent threshold for the vaccine and Cashman says that of the 6 players most were previously vaccinated. Now what "most" means who knows I'm guessing 4 of the 6 otherwise he'd probably have said all but 1 but I don't think this is necessarily a scenario to point and say idiots go get vaccinated. The Delta variant is highly transmissible, and if vaccines are 85% effective against it (may be higher, but that's one number I've seen) then 1 unvaccinated player could get another 2 or 3 vaccinated players on his team infected pretty easily. But yeah, as much as I'd like to single out the Yankees for blame here, I imagine most every team has some guys who have chosen not to get vaccinated.
Mentioned it in the trade thread, but it is something teams might consider in terms of personnel moves. The 25th or 26th guy on the roster may be more trouble than they're worth if they're unvaccinated and a threat to the rest of the team; it could make sense to keep them in AAA or even DFA. (It is, of course, "their choice" not to get vaccinated. But as most adult humans have learned somewhere along the way, choices have consequences.)
The dynamic now is that we have another significant wave of covid, but without social distancing, etc., that we had in earlier waves, and a percentage of players who won't get vaccinated. One has to assume that in such an environment, the options are to either get vaccinated or get covid.
ADD: The other three "expected positives" are players as well. Among other things, this is kind of a worrying sign about how common breakthrough cases might be! For this many vaccinated Yankees players to have gotten it...
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 15, 2021 16:36:37 GMT -5
Let's move on from the vaccination debate, please!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2021 16:49:46 GMT -5
Man I hate the 7-inning double headers. I feel like it definitely favors the Yankees as they’re the weaker team and at home. Easier for them to jump out to a lead and then go straight to their top pen arms.
On the bright side, they’ll be missing some guys. Have to think they probably still play tomorrow, no? Otherwise we have a mess on our hands.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2021 16:53:50 GMT -5
At least two Yankee position players tested positive according to Marly Rivera, ESPN.
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Post by jmei on Jul 15, 2021 16:55:52 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I think this is a "there but for the grace of god go I" moment and wouldn't use it as an example of how the Red Sox are handling COVID so much better than the Yankees. The Yankees reached the 85% vaccination threshold in April ( link), but the Red Sox are one of the few teams that have yet to reach that threshold ( link). Per Cashman, all three confirmed Yankees cases are in vaccinated players (Jonathan Loaisiga, Nestor Cortes and Wandy Peralta).
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 15, 2021 16:56:35 GMT -5
Let's move on from the vaccination debate, please! Feel free to move the discussion somewhere else, but it is hugely relevant to MLB. It may take consent from the players and their union, but there has got to be consideration of the consequences if this thing gets out of control. We all hated the restrictions on us. Ball players had much tighter controls than we did. If MLB is forced to postpone a bunch of games, the schedule becomes next to impossible. It is not beyond imagining that we will see teams sequestering again.
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Post by jmei on Jul 15, 2021 17:06:38 GMT -5
Could be Judge, Chapman or Cole (Cole was replaced on the roster because he pitched a few days prior but still attended ASG festivities).
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jul 15, 2021 17:11:45 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I think this is a "there but for the grace of god go I" moment and wouldn't use it as an example of how the Red Sox are handling COVID so much better than the Yankees. The Yankees reached the 85% vaccination threshold in April ( link), but the Red Sox are one of the few teams that have yet to reach that threshold ( link). Per Cashman, all three confirmed Yankees cases are in vaccinated players (Jonathan Loaisiga, Nestor Cortes and Wandy Peralta). I believe that if the real vaccination numbers were revealed for just players on the teams (not including staff), those teams claiming to have 85% compliance would show more like a 60% player compliance.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 15, 2021 17:14:52 GMT -5
Could be Judge, Chapman or Cole (Cole was replaced on the roster because he pitched a few days prior but still attended ASG festivities). I thought I read that Chapman didn't do an interview he was expected to do, so perhaps that's the reason? Also I thought I read that two position players on the Yankees were affected as well, but I could have read it wrong.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2021 17:15:07 GMT -5
Could be Judge, Chapman or Cole (Cole was replaced on the roster because he pitched a few days prior but still attended ASG festivities). Its Judge according to Pete Abe’s sources.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jul 15, 2021 17:15:41 GMT -5
Could be Judge, Chapman or Cole (Cole was replaced on the roster because he pitched a few days prior but still attended ASG festivities). Wow, what a nightmare. Astros were smart not going.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 15, 2021 17:15:56 GMT -5
Could be Judge, Chapman or Cole (Cole was replaced on the roster because he pitched a few days prior but still attended ASG festivities). Its Judge according to Pete Abe’s sources. Wow. I hope he'll be okay.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 15, 2021 17:23:09 GMT -5
Judge Higgy and Urshela according to Buster Olney.
So now what?
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Post by Canseco on Jul 15, 2021 17:30:49 GMT -5
Judge Higgy and Urshela according to Buster Olney. So now what? If an unvaccinated player catches COVID and it impacts an actual game, then his team should forfeit. This is horse shit.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 15, 2021 17:36:42 GMT -5
I'm vaccinated. I believe in Covid. This isn't political in anyway and don't want it to be.
With that said, the game is played outside. We've been told the chance of transmission is incredibly low. Everyone who wants to be vaccinated should be by now.
Why stop the game? Test everyone and pluck the positive players.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 15, 2021 17:37:35 GMT -5
Judge Higgy and Urshela according to Buster Olney. So now what? If an unvaccinated player catches COVID and it impacts an actual game, then his team should forfeit. This is horse shit. Or just be forced to play with a 24, 23, 22 man roster if they can't call someone to fast enough.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 15, 2021 17:47:15 GMT -5
Disclaimer...the following post is vaccinated against any form of reverse jinx that may occur.
Admittedly, I don't know the Covid rules, but if it is Judge, doesn't that preclude him from playing for the next 7-10 days. Furthermore, isn't that a benefit for our guys ? Today's lost game notwithstanding, this could work out in our favor.
Add: check that...he is in protocol. Not sure how or what the downtime is in that case.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2021 17:49:20 GMT -5
I'm vaccinated. I believe in Covid. This isn't political in anyway and don't want it to be. With that said, the game is played outside. We've been told the chance of transmission is incredibly low. Everyone who wants to be vaccinated should be by now. Why stop the game? Test everyone and pluck the positive players. It is kind of weird. Fans are invited into the stadium at full capacity to masklessly yell loudly in each other's faces but we can't allow players to stand near each other in the middle of a large field? Whatever you think of the wisdom of those two policies, they're hard to square with each other.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 15, 2021 17:53:01 GMT -5
All this nonsense aside, i am extremely bummed not to see Duran's first game tonight. I was pumped all day for it.
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Post by semperfisox on Jul 15, 2021 18:02:01 GMT -5
All this nonsense aside, i am extremely bummed not to see Duran's first game tonight. I was pumped all day for it. No guarantee he was going to be in the lineup tonight anyway.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 15, 2021 18:03:01 GMT -5
Judge Higgy and Urshela according to Buster Olney. So now what? If an unvaccinated player catches COVID and it impacts an actual game, then his team should forfeit. This is horse shit. I agree with this. I'm also waiting for the 1904 WS to be declared a forfeit and another banner raised at Fenway. Mugsy McGraw wimped out and wouldn't play the defending world champion Boston Americans. THAT was horse shit!
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2021 18:04:00 GMT -5
All this nonsense aside, i am extremely bummed not to see Duran's first game tonight. I was pumped all day for it. No guarantee he was going to be in the lineup tonight anyway. He was scheduled to play CF and bat 7th.
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