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Post by costpet on Jul 20, 2021 9:23:04 GMT -5
Duran is just a rookie. Comparing him with Santana is not even close. Santana has reached the best he will ever be. Duran might someday be our best hitter. He's a natural hitter with potential great power, kind of like Devers. We are lucky (7th rounder) to find him.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 20, 2021 9:29:15 GMT -5
Duran is just a rookie. Comparing him with Santana is not even close. Santana has reached the best he will ever be. Duran might someday be our best hitter. He's a natural hitter with potential great power, kind of like Devers. We are lucky (7th rounder) to find him. Duran is the same age as Devers. He could possibly be a great all around offensive force some day, but there is not the slightest indication that he will ever be a better hitter than Devers.
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Post by worldbfree on Jul 20, 2021 9:59:59 GMT -5
Duran is just a rookie. Comparing him with Santana is not even close. Santana has reached the best he will ever be. Duran might someday be our best hitter. He's a natural hitter with potential great power, kind of like Devers. We are lucky (7th rounder) to find him. Duran is the same age as Devers. He could possibly be a great all around offensive force some day, but there is not the slightest indication that he will ever be a better hitter than Devers. I was going to say that this is one hell of a jump if you start to suggest Duran can be in the same class with Devers.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 20, 2021 10:17:30 GMT -5
My point is, they got Steve Pearce late June 2018. I don’t quite understand the lack of urgency given our opponents these next two weeks and the glaring need. There is no need to wait. I think a Steve Pearce trade works out like it did 1 time out of a million.
Actually once in a lifetime.
It's way more likely that a Steve Pearce is worse than what we have now.
1 time out of a million? You don't think history suggests we could get someone better than Dalbec/Santana? 2003 June Gabe Kapler .291 .349 .449 .798 2004 Dave Roberts 256 .330 .442 .772 ... plus.... 2004 Orlando Cabrera .294 .320 .465 .785 (yeah, big trade) 2005 Alex Cora .269 .310 .394 .704 2006 Aug 13 Eric Hinske .288 .352 .425 .777 2008 Jason Bay .293 .370 .527 .897 (yeah, big trade) 2009 August 14 Alex Gonzalez .284 .316 .453 .769 2011 Mike Aviles .317 .340 .436 .775 2015 June 3 Alejandro De Aza .292 .347 .484 .831 in 60 games 2017 Eduardo Nunez .321 .353 .539 .892 (Eduardo Nunez 2016 for Giants after July 28 trade: .269 .327 .418 .744 with 13 sb) 2018 Steve Pearce .279 .394 .507 .901 (2018 Nathan Eovaldi)
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 20, 2021 11:45:50 GMT -5
You know if the Nationals are out of it, There’s Josh Bell that can play 1st. I think he has one more year also.
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 20, 2021 11:53:09 GMT -5
You know if the Nationals are out of it, There’s Josh Bell that can play 1st. I think he has one more year also. He's a switch hitter but has been much better against RHP. Could be a nice platoon fit with Dalbec, but I'd rather they give Franchy a shot at that role first.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 20, 2021 13:02:14 GMT -5
Franchy coming up and being good would be nice but that’s more of a backup plan that would be nice rather than plan A.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 20, 2021 13:19:30 GMT -5
You know if the Nationals are out of it, There’s Josh Bell that can play 1st. I think he has one more year also. He's a switch hitter but has been much better against RHP. Could be a nice platoon fit with Dalbec, but I'd rather they give Franchy a shot at that role first. Teams that are legit out of it (more than 5 games back of Div or WC): The Entire NL Central Except for Milwaukee Baltimore Detroit Minnesota Kansas City The Anaheim Angels Inexplicably of Los Angeles Texas The Washington Bullets Miami Colorado Arizona Teams Likely Out of It (not indicated above but 4 or more games back of Div or WC):MFYs Cleveland Atlanta San Diego
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 20, 2021 13:42:38 GMT -5
Franchy coming up and being good would be nice but that’s more of a backup plan that would be nice rather than plan A. I agree. At this point Franchy will not be the answer at first. He had his incredible hot streak in AAA but his K issues are still there. Last 30 days in AAA: 105PA 38K = 36% K rate His K split over the season in AAA is 39% vs lefties, 27% vs righties i don't think thats good enough.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 20, 2021 13:52:42 GMT -5
We’re trying to win pennant.
1a Big league first baseman 1b Pitcher like Eovaldi circa 2018. Start and slide to pen for playoffs
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 20, 2021 13:56:25 GMT -5
I think a Steve Pearce trade works out like it did 1 time out of a million.
Actually once in a lifetime.
It's way more likely that a Steve Pearce is worse than what we have now.
1 time out of a million? You don't think history suggests we could get someone better than Dalbec/Santana? 2003 June Gabe Kapler .291 .349 .449 .798 2004 Dave Roberts 256 .330 .442 .772 ... plus.... 2004 Orlando Cabrera .294 .320 .465 .785 (yeah, big trade) 2005 Alex Cora .269 .310 .394 .704 2006 Aug 13 Eric Hinske .288 .352 .425 .777 2008 Jason Bay .293 .370 .527 .897 (yeah, big trade) 2009 August 14 Alex Gonzalez .284 .316 .453 .769 2011 Mike Aviles .317 .340 .436 .775 2015 June 3 Alejandro De Aza .292 .347 .484 .831 in 60 games 2017 Eduardo Nunez .321 .353 .539 .892 (Eduardo Nunez 2016 for Giants after July 28 trade: .269 .327 .418 .744 with 13 sb) 2018 Steve Pearce .279 .394 .507 .901 (2018 Nathan Eovaldi) To be more clear, I don't think that a guy you gave up next to nothing for is going to be 10 times the hitter he ever was or will be again for 2 months and then is David Ortiz' equal in the playoffs, leading to the WS MVP.
It's more likely that you're getting the next Rajai Davis or Andrew Cashner.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 20, 2021 14:00:28 GMT -5
Franchy coming up and being good would be nice but that’s more of a backup plan that would be nice rather than plan A. I agree. At this point Franchy will not be the answer at first. He had his incredible hot streak in AAA but his K issues are still there. Last 30 days in AAA: 105PA 38K = 36% K rate His K split over the season in AAA is 39% vs lefties, 27% vs righties i don't think thats good enough. Franchy, Chavis. Dalbec. Right now they are all very Simular. Probably are weak link and 1B should be the easyest / cheapest to bring in an impact player.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 20, 2021 14:27:48 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 20, 2021 14:58:26 GMT -5
Ok I think we’re all on the same page here. I won’t harp on this anymore…
Rays game is on YouTube today at 7 if anyone is interested.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 20, 2021 15:15:36 GMT -5
I agree that's really all they need at the position to really solidify the offense. Theoretically it shouldn't be all that costly to acquire a replacement level 1st baseman. Give me a guy like cron at the deadline.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 20, 2021 16:05:58 GMT -5
I agree that's really all they need at the position to really solidify the offense. Theoretically it shouldn't be all that costly to acquire a replacement level 1st baseman. Give me a guy like cron at the deadline. I think they need another OF, too, if we assume that Kiké is the second baseman for the next month at least. Whether that's Franchy or someone else, not sure but Verdugo isn't right and Renfroe's regressed a bit, so someone to give those guys a night off or even, in the case of Verdugo, a minimum stint on the IL. I think his hammy is still barking and it's either directly or indirectly affecting his swing/pivot.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 20, 2021 16:07:43 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 20, 2021 16:08:42 GMT -5
I agree that's really all they need at the position to really solidify the offense. Theoretically it shouldn't be all that costly to acquire a replacement level 1st baseman. Give me a guy like cron at the deadline. I think they need another OF, too, if we assume that Kiké is the second baseman for the next month at least. Whether that's Franchy or someone else, not sure but Verdugo isn't right and Renfroe's regressed a bit, so someone to give those guys a night off or even, in the case of Verdugo, a minimum stint on the IL. I think his hammy is still barking and it's either directly or indirectly affecting his swing/pivot. I keep wanting them to give Wilson a cup of coffee or trade him. Maybe he could fetch some sort of outfielder who can at least be average so Verdugo can heal up if they just don't see him being able to hack it in the majors at all. Also they could just use Chavis at 2nd and play Hernandez in OF. Guess time will tell.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 20, 2021 16:24:38 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jul 20, 2021 16:25:58 GMT -5
I don’t think you’ll see him against tough righties again this season
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Post by cdj on Jul 20, 2021 16:27:17 GMT -5
I think they need another OF, too, if we assume that Kiké is the second baseman for the next month at least. Whether that's Franchy or someone else, not sure but Verdugo isn't right and Renfroe's regressed a bit, so someone to give those guys a night off or even, in the case of Verdugo, a minimum stint on the IL. I think his hammy is still barking and it's either directly or indirectly affecting his swing/pivot. I keep wanting them to give Wilson a cup of coffee or trade him. Maybe he could fetch some sort of outfielder who can at least be average so Verdugo can heal up if they just don't see him being able to hack it in the majors at all. Also they could just use Chavis at 2nd and play Hernandez in OF. Guess time will tell. Verdugo playing through injury >>>>>> Chavis You think Chavis works those walks last night? Hell no. I have no desire to see him again
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Post by jimoh on Jul 20, 2021 16:28:49 GMT -5
I agree that's really all they need at the position to really solidify the offense. Theoretically it shouldn't be all that costly to acquire a replacement level 1st baseman. Give me a guy like cron at the deadline. I think they need another OF, too, if we assume that Kiké is the second baseman for the next month at least. Whether that's Franchy or someone else, not sure but Verdugo isn't right and Renfroe's regressed a bit, so someone to give those guys a night off or even, in the case of Verdugo, a minimum stint on the IL. I think his hammy is still barking and it's either directly or indirectly affecting his swing/pivot. if they get a 1b and Arroyo is back Kiké can spell any outfielder.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 20, 2021 16:48:45 GMT -5
I keep wanting them to give Wilson a cup of coffee or trade him. Maybe he could fetch some sort of outfielder who can at least be average so Verdugo can heal up if they just don't see him being able to hack it in the majors at all. Also they could just use Chavis at 2nd and play Hernandez in OF. Guess time will tell. Verdugo playing through injury >>>>>> Chavis You think Chavis works those walks last night? Hell no. I have no desire to see him again I'm not a Chavis fan don't get me wrong but if the alternative is letting Verdugo heal up for 10 days so he can look more like the guy we saw early in the year and not recently then I don't hate the thought. Doesn't have to be Chavis could be Wilson or anyone else really. I'm with you in agreement that Verdugo could use some time to heal is all.
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 20, 2021 16:54:25 GMT -5
Verdugo playing through injury >>>>>> Chavis You think Chavis works those walks last night? Hell no. I have no desire to see him again I'm not a Chavis fan don't get me wrong but if the alternative is letting Verdugo heal up for 10 days so he can look more like the guy we saw early in the year and not recently then I don't hate the thought. Doesn't have to be Chavis could be Wilson or anyone else really. I'm with you in agreement that Verdugo could use some time to heal is all. If Marwin is back soon, he does provide OF depth at the expense of Chavis or Santana. I am not a fan of Franchy, but I would give him another look. It would be helpful to add a left-handed bat that actually hits above the Mendoza line if he could be that.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 20, 2021 16:55:49 GMT -5
I don’t think you’ll see him against tough righties again this season I find it just a little confounding, given that he's actually hit righties better than lefties since the beginning of May (.294 vs. .277 wOBA), and not due to some big BABIP split either. Of course he's been bad against both overall. But I'm still way more interested in seeing if he can start another hot streak than having Danny Santana (himself rocking a .242 wOBA against righties) get the starts.
They probably need to upgrade 1B, but until then, with no better options, why not just give Dalbec the shot?
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