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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 20, 2021 20:35:56 GMT -5
Just to remind everyone: Druw Jones: this thread Andruw Jones: this thread |
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 21, 2021 0:00:46 GMT -5
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Post by borisman on Dec 21, 2021 10:12:02 GMT -5
If we go prep LHP would prefer this guy but he's a Vandy commit so you never know with these guys. |
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Post by jaffinator on Dec 21, 2021 15:07:37 GMT -5
If we go prep LHP would prefer this guy but he's a Vandy commit so you never know with these guys. I feel like Vandy actually takes commitments from guys with pretty good chances to sign if drafted pretty much every year. No particular insight into Brandon Barriera though. |
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Post by soxinnj on Dec 22, 2021 8:30:00 GMT -5
If we go prep LHP would prefer this guy but he's a Vandy commit so you never know with these guys. I feel like Vandy actually takes commitments from guys with pretty good chances to sign if drafted pretty much every year. No particular insight into Brandon Barriera though. Well, based upon the Perfect Game Mock, Barriera is picked before the Sox turn....and Schultz is also a Vandy commit.... |
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Post by tyler3 on Dec 26, 2021 12:28:08 GMT -5
Will be kinda interesting this year. I think the red Sox may have a second shot at Connor Prielipp as well as Reggie Crawford. Don’t believe either will pitch this year (TJ). Feels like with the extra picks the Sox will be able to throw a little extra cash here and there to either make Connor drop down a bit or snag Reggie. Both have risk but it would be nice to have a high octane lefty on the farm. Doesn’t look like Groome’s ceiling is what it once was. Also nobody loves a high risk HS arm like me, but would also be nice to have somebody who is not 5 years away if it all breaks right.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 27, 2021 7:21:01 GMT -5
I can see why he's on the bubble. His career kind of fell off a cliff when he left Atlanta (at age 31), with a lot of injuries and bouncing from team to team. Great peak but lower career numbers (e.g. less than 2000 hits) than you typically see in the HOF. I'll always remember how shallow he played in CF to take singles away but running down virtually every ball hit over his head that didn't carom high off the wall or go over it. The more voters who consider defense as an important part of the game (despite the long history of inadequate stats to describe it) and who understand that his 10 gold gloves weren't of the Jeterian variety, the more likely he'll eventually make it. I always felt that when they ended up putting Jim Rice in the Hall of Fame it would eventually open the door to Andruw Jones. He was an elite player for about 8 years. The way he fell off a cliff after leaving Atlanta is the reason why he's not in. The fact that in 8 years he was able to have a WAR of 64 is astounding. He'll get in from the Veterans Committee eventually. I feel old seeing his kid as the potential #1 pick in the draft. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 27, 2021 10:43:47 GMT -5
I can see why he's on the bubble. His career kind of fell off a cliff when he left Atlanta (at age 31), with a lot of injuries and bouncing from team to team. Great peak but lower career numbers (e.g. less than 2000 hits) than you typically see in the HOF. I'll always remember how shallow he played in CF to take singles away but running down virtually every ball hit over his head that didn't carom high off the wall or go over it. The more voters who consider defense as an important part of the game (despite the long history of inadequate stats to describe it) and who understand that his 10 gold gloves weren't of the Jeterian variety, the more likely he'll eventually make it. I always felt that when they ended up putting Jim Rice in the Hall of Fame it would eventually open the door to Andruw Jones. He was an elite player for about 8 years. The way he fell off a cliff after leaving Atlanta is the reason why he's not in. The fact that in 8 years he was able to have a WAR of 64 is astounding. He'll get in from the Veterans Committee eventually. I feel old seeing his kid as the potential #1 pick in the draft. I think you're underselling him a bit - he had about an 11-year peak from 1997-2007 (64.2 fWAR, 60.9 bWAR) during which he won 10 Gold Gloves, made 5 All-Star teams, finished in the top 20 in the MVP 5 times (including a runner-up in 2005) and was generally extremely productive on both sides of the ball. However, his body broke down (apparently in part from his not taking care of himself and showing up to camp out of shape, per Wikipedia at least), but he did recover a bit to become a productive hitter, at least, as a part-time player later in his career. He also is important as the first star from Curaçao, which I think is relevant for a HOF case given that it's become a relative baseball hotbed since (the wave of Curaçaoan players like Andrelton Simmons, Kenley Jansen, etc. comes 10 years after his debut, no coincidence I'm sure). I also think the fact that he finished his career in Japan is seen as more of a negative now than it will be even in, say, 5 years. That said, he's definitely a borderline case simply because of how quickly he fell off. Even with the same peak but more graceful aging he just aesthetically has a better case. Reaching 2000 hits, getting closer to 500 HR if not passing it, and even playing a passable CF post-Atlanta would've all helped a lot for a guy who's probably right on the edge. |
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Post by borisman on Jan 3, 2022 15:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by borisman on Jan 4, 2022 11:29:41 GMT -5
I read about some of these prospects. There's a whole another season to play out but I would not be opposed to drafting a HS pitcher with the first pick. Maybe it will make up for when Mick Abel was drafted ahead of us and we had to settle for Nick Yorke. Seriously though, I don't remember seeing so many HS arms in the top 100. A lot of southpaws at the top (more than one lol) as well. Poor example (or maybe a good one, depending on your view of taking HS pitchers early) but there's a Nick Bitsko type in Walter Ford, RHP from Florida. Reclassified for 2022 so he's young for this class. Also plays 3B. Someone to keep an eye on. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 4, 2022 12:07:24 GMT -5
To piggyback on this, they drop Mock 1.0 tomorrow |
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Post by tyler3 on Jan 5, 2022 0:41:17 GMT -5
I would love to get one the following:
Brandon Barriera
Ian Ritchie
Or Owen Murphy
All are HS pitchers at about 6-1 or 6-2 that have multiple good pitches with good traits and plus command. They all presently sit in the low 90s and will occasionally bump the 95. As a lefty Barriera may climb out of reach for us but as a HS right Ritchie may be there for our Fabian pick.
As for Owen well Mason McRae who goes absolutely bonkers for fastball traits has Owen as his highest ranked pitcher overall right now while mlb almost excludes him from the top 100.
I actually like that all these guys aren’t pumping 98 right now.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 5, 2022 9:16:16 GMT -5
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 5, 2022 9:32:48 GMT -5
A catcher is fitting as Adrian Del Castillo was the main guy linked to the Sox in most 1.0 mocks last yr |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 5, 2022 11:12:45 GMT -5
Red Sox acquire former Georgia Tech catcher? Has worked before...
Kidding aside I'd absolutely LOVE Parada.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 5, 2022 11:52:48 GMT -5
Didn't even know (or had forgotten) Parada was draft eligible, that's cool.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 5, 2022 12:21:15 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised he's mocking that low. The way Collazo and Badler talked about him on Future Projection it seemed like he was likely a top 10 guy. Although who knows where ProspectsLive gets its info sometimes - BA has him as the #2 college draft prospect, which doesn't square with falling to 24.
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Post by tyler3 on Jan 5, 2022 13:51:36 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised he's mocking that low. The way Collazo and Badler talked about him on Future Projection it seemed like he was likely a top 10 guy. Although who knows where ProspectsLive gets its info sometimes - BA has him as the #2 college draft prospect, which doesn't square with falling to 24. True but Fangraphs has him at 33 overall so with the following notes, “ Full Report Parada was the rare high-profile California high schooler who left the state for college, traveling all the way to Atlanta for two years at Georgia Tech. He'll be a draft-eligible sophomore in 2022 when he's just shy of being 21, and he is coming off an incredible freshman season (.318/.379/.550) and tenure with Team USA. Parada has pull-power and decent feel for contact, able to pull pitches down and away from him while whacking pitches up and away to the opposite field. His swing path causes him to drive inside pitches into the ground most of the time, and there's a little more in-zone swing-and-miss here to truly separate him from the other college catchers in this class, but if the hit/power tools hold water, then Parada (fringe receiver, average arm) will be an everyday catcher.” I think right now he falls into the category of, if he can catch he’s a top 10 guy, if not well… |
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Post by jaffinator on Jan 5, 2022 14:17:10 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised he's mocking that low. The way Collazo and Badler talked about him on Future Projection it seemed like he was likely a top 10 guy. Although who knows where ProspectsLive gets its info sometimes - BA has him as the #2 college draft prospect, which doesn't square with falling to 24. The college catcher class is pretty deep this year as well. Obviously with the later draft date we'll probably see some separate themselves, but in addition to Parada Daniel Susac should be a first rounder and Hayden Dunhurst and Logan Tanner could very easily be top round guys. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 5, 2022 16:46:30 GMT -5
Fair enough.
Good example why one should not just rely on a single source and should cast a wide net.
Jokes aside Tek was my favorite player and I'm fanboying out over the idea of getting another Georgia Tech catcher, which is not rational necessarily.
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Post by jaffinator on Jan 6, 2022 16:05:17 GMT -5
Fair enough. Good example why one should not just rely on a single source and should cast a wide net. Jokes aside Tek was my favorite player and I'm fanboying out over the idea of getting another Georgia Tech catcher, which is not rational necessarily. I would love Parada personally, though it's obviously dependent on his upcoming season. He's an athletic guy and that bodes well both for flexibility and the ability to make some strategic changes if needed in my opinion. Something I don't think he gets quite enough credit for is a strong command of the strike zone (at least so far). Some guys have strong enough contact skills that it can obfuscate a good eye a bit as well. At GT I hope he also gets the chance to call his own games and such this year. Can get on top of some, like here: |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 17, 2022 9:29:49 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 17, 2022 11:28:36 GMT -5
1. Druw Jones 2. Termarr Johnson 3. Brooks Lee 4. Jace Jung 5. Elijah Green 6. Chase DeLauter 7. Dylan Lesko 8. Jacob Berry 9. Brock Jones 10. Gavin Cross 11. Robert Moore 12. Blake Tidwell 13. Peyton Palette 14. Cole Young 15. Kevin Parada ... 24. Connor Prielipp (that'd be fun) ... 26. Kumar Rocker ... 35. Reggie Crawford, UConn ... 46. Jud Fabian ... 96. Sebastian Keane, Northeastern (probably has to pitch himself into the top 65 or 70 picks to get the $1M he was asking for out of HS, at this range probably gets about what he would've gotten to sign) |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 17, 2022 12:02:50 GMT -5
1. Druw Jones 2. Termarr Johnson 3. Brooks Lee 4. Jace Jung 5. Elijah Green 6. Chase DeLauter 7. Dylan Lesko 8. Jacob Berry 9. Brock Jones 10. Gavin Cross 11. Robert Moore 12. Blake Tidwell 13. Peyton Palette 14. Cole Young 15. Kevin Parada ... 24. Connor Prielipp (that'd be fun) ... 26. Kumar Rocker ... 35. Reggie Crawford, UConn ... 46. Jud Fabian ... 96. Sebastian Keane, Northeastern (probably has to pitch himself into the top 65 or 70 picks to get the $1M he was asking for out of HS, at this range probably gets about what he would've gotten to sign) Any chance you saw where Cam Collier was ranked? Have a feeling we'll see the Sox linked to him |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 17, 2022 12:21:34 GMT -5
1. Druw Jones 2. Termarr Johnson 3. Brooks Lee 4. Jace Jung 5. Elijah Green 6. Chase DeLauter 7. Dylan Lesko 8. Jacob Berry 9. Brock Jones 10. Gavin Cross 11. Robert Moore 12. Blake Tidwell 13. Peyton Palette 14. Cole Young 15. Kevin Parada ... 24. Connor Prielipp (that'd be fun) ... 26. Kumar Rocker ... 35. Reggie Crawford, UConn ... 46. Jud Fabian ... 96. Sebastian Keane, Northeastern (probably has to pitch himself into the top 65 or 70 picks to get the $1M he was asking for out of HS, at this range probably gets about what he would've gotten to sign) Any chance you saw where Cam Collier was ranked? Have a feeling we'll see the Sox linked to him He's #25 on the list. |
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