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Post by bettsonmookie on Aug 4, 2023 9:45:15 GMT -5
His brother definitely read this thread lmao I hope so. Ceddanne has one weakness in his game and is otherwise the complete package. If he has a chip on his shoulder, I want that chip to be about fixing that one weakness. Seems like (thru his brother) Ceddanne already has a bit of a chip re: the chase-rate critiques. I love that. Fuel for the slow grind toward improvement.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 4, 2023 10:33:26 GMT -5
I kinda wanted him to go to winter ball and play 2b. He’s doing so well in AAA. Would the Boston Red Sox be better with him at SS and Story at 2b?
Story is gonna end up at 2b anyway. Once Marcelo is ready. Probably 2025. We can move Ceddanne to RF then. Marcelo plays SS and Verdugo becomes a free agent.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 4, 2023 10:39:18 GMT -5
I kinda wanted him to go to winter ball and play 2b. He’s doing so well in AAA. Would the Boston Red Sox be better with him at SS and Story at 2b? Story is gonna end up at 2b anyway. Once Marcelo is ready. Probably 2025. We can move Ceddanne to RF then. Marcelo plays SS and Verdugo becomes a free agent. THIS IS THE WAY. If Rafaela and Mayer develop the way we all hope this is likely the best outcome IMO.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 4, 2023 10:41:24 GMT -5
Hard for me to see Ceddanne ending up in right unless it is because of Durran's weak arm. Hope we give him as much time next year as we did with Casas this season. He seems to make adjustments quite well.
Really want our defense to be much improved, at least, by next year, and he will be one of the reasons.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 4, 2023 10:47:35 GMT -5
My 2 cents is that there's no way I'd want him down on the defensive spectrum from SS & CF. Kiermaier, Pillar & JBJ would all have been great RFers but... JBJ played games in RF in his first three years and later. 182 games as a RF. Fenway is different. Playing RF is like playing CF. Of his 182 career games in right field, 117 have been 2021 or later. It's a smattering. He had 32 in 2015 but that was mostly in deference to Mookie because he was still not settled in as a RF yet. He also played all of 10 games in RF on the minors, all of those in AAA.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 4, 2023 15:38:07 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 4, 2023 15:56:00 GMT -5
I kinda wanted him to go to winter ball and play 2b. He’s doing so well in AAA. Would the Boston Red Sox be better with him at SS and Story at 2b? Story is gonna end up at 2b anyway. Once Marcelo is ready. Probably 2025. We can move Ceddanne to RF then. Marcelo plays SS and Verdugo becomes a free agent. I am worried about Story playing too much at SS. I 'd rather him at 2b.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 4, 2023 16:01:18 GMT -5
I mean, that's my question too. As far as what you say about Story being back in a matter of days: The team can't really afford a couple of days. This upcoming series against Toronto is pretty darn important, and Rafaela has made it clear he can help now. Why wait? Has he though? He's only had 109 PA at AAA and still has a lot to work on offensively per this site. If slash lines were what mattered, Franchy, Dalbec, Danny Santana, etc. would be carrying us into the playoffs right now... Rafaela should be an upgrade with the glove, but who knows with the bat. It could easily be worse than Arroyo. I dont know what will happen but to me if the FO gave all those other prospects and were very patient with them I like this kid to be given a chance too.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Aug 4, 2023 19:41:25 GMT -5
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Post by patford on Aug 4, 2023 19:57:38 GMT -5
I believe that is what is known as "kicking down the door." That and this:
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Post by incandenza on Aug 4, 2023 20:22:59 GMT -5
Remember how he started out slow in AA this year? And then just... decided to be excellent, was up to Worcester within weeks, and is now absurdly dominant at the highest minor league level? What switch did he flip there, exactly?
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Post by cdj on Aug 4, 2023 20:42:26 GMT -5
Starting to force the issue at this point, sheeeeesh
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Aug 4, 2023 20:55:34 GMT -5
I know the caveats. I know the bad chase rate. I know he doesn't walk. I get it. But, stupidly, I want to see him in right field at Fenway tomorrow.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 4, 2023 21:03:02 GMT -5
I know the caveats. I know the bad chase rate. I know he doesn't walk. I get it. But, stupidly, I want to see him in right field at Fenway tomorrow. Someone needs to breath life into this team.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Aug 4, 2023 21:15:03 GMT -5
I know the caveats. I know the bad chase rate. I know he doesn't walk. I get it. But, stupidly, I want to see him in right field at Fenway tomorrow. Someone needs to breath life into this team. Yeah, I agree. It's so lethargic in the lineup right now. I think a dynamic player like Rafaela, much like Duran, could give some energy to the team. Hoping Story has a similar effect when he comes back, as well.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 4, 2023 21:15:32 GMT -5
I know the caveats. I know the bad chase rate. I know he doesn't walk. I get it. But, stupidly, I want to see him in right field at Fenway tomorrow. Someone needs to breathe life into this team. Yeah definitely feel a lack of energy, we need an energizer bunny. Kinda need a psycho on the team, Boston loves that lol
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 4, 2023 21:33:40 GMT -5
This is reminding me of when Duran was bashing in Worcester. At some point they're going to have to consider moving him up, and maybe he'll struggle with the MLB pitchers who will tactically game plan against him, but if he keeps tearing the cover off the ball we have to challenge him. I still want to see how things go in August, very curious to see what adjustments the AAA pitchers make, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's in the lineup come September. Get his some experience heading into the offseason.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 4, 2023 22:14:03 GMT -5
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Post by ephus on Aug 4, 2023 23:19:36 GMT -5
This is reminding me of when Duran was bashing in Worcester. At some point they're going to have to consider moving him up, and maybe he'll struggle with the MLB pitchers who will tactically game plan against him, but if he keeps tearing the cover off the ball we have to challenge him. I still want to see how things go in August, very curious to see what adjustments the AAA pitchers make, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's in the lineup come September. Get his some experience heading into the offseason. I have been thinking about this a lot and here’s what I’m thinking: With this morning’s NESN story and all of the tweets (xes?) if Rafaela does not come up at some point this year, expectations over the winter might get unachievable. What I mean is, sometimes it is best to push a player and make their blemishes obvious so the media doesn’t create a myth that can never be realized* * I once read Gammo call Ellis Burks “the next Willie Mays.”
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 5, 2023 8:21:41 GMT -5
Outside of a couple of posters, everyone discussing Rafaela seems to have a similar opinion, but there is a growing number of posters misrepresenting what others are saying which is causing a form of tribalism. Can we all agree on the below? - Rafaela is an exciting prospect who has been very successful both offensively and defensively over the past two years. - Rafaela has a high chase rate which leads to more weak contact and strikeouts than would be expected for a player with his offensive skill set. There are concerns that when he reaches the majors this flaw will be further exploited and lead to him struggling. - If Rafaela can manage a ~90 wRC+ he should become a valuable MLB player due to his defense and baserunning. If his defense is as good as people suggest I'd argue he could be an average or better MLB player with an 80 wRC+ FWIW Kiermaier put up a 2.6 fWAR with a 79 wRC+ in 2019.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 5, 2023 9:00:17 GMT -5
This is reminding me of when Duran was bashing in Worcester. At some point they're going to have to consider moving him up, and maybe he'll struggle with the MLB pitchers who will tactically game plan against him, but if he keeps tearing the cover off the ball we have to challenge him. I still want to see how things go in August, very curious to see what adjustments the AAA pitchers make, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's in the lineup come September. Get his some experience heading into the offseason. I have been thinking about this a lot and here’s what I’m thinking: With this morning’s NESN story and all of the tweets (xes?) if Rafaela does not come up at some point this year, expectations over the winter might get unachievable. What I mean is, sometimes it is best to push a player and make their blemishes obvious so the media doesn’t create a myth that can never be realized* * I once read Gammo call Ellis Burks “the next Willie Mays.” He had about half of Willie Mays career if you look at 340 career HRs vs 660 for Mays and also a little more than half of Willie Mays' hit total, but while he was no Willie Mays... I think only Ken Griffey Jr could say he had a Willie Mays career....but Ellis Burks had one helluva great career, but it just goes to show how legendary Willie Mays was.
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Post by 0ap0 on Aug 5, 2023 9:11:00 GMT -5
Remember how he started out slow in AA this year? And then just... decided to be excellent, was up to Worcester within weeks, and is now absurdly dominant at the highest minor league level? What switch did he flip there, exactly? Pedroia probably told him to be good at baseball.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 5, 2023 9:23:01 GMT -5
If Rafaela were called up today I’m curious where people think he would stack up among recent top prospect debuts. Like, is he right now as good of a prospect as Casas was when called up, better? Or Belloo or Duran?
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 5, 2023 9:39:48 GMT -5
Steveofbradenton and I watched Rafaela in what was the GCL and he stood out all around. We mentioned that here. I saw him last season in Portland with the same impression. I was a bit surprised by some comments here that implied his offensive capabilities might lag. I think that he is going to be a stud all around. I don't know about him being 5'9" but 195? ...more like 175.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 5, 2023 10:17:21 GMT -5
Steveofbradenton and I watched Rafaela in what was the GCL and he stood out all around. We mentioned that here. I saw him last season in Portland with the same impression. I was a bit surprised by some comments here that implied his offensive capabilities might lag. I think that he is going to be a stud all around. I don't know about him being 5'9" but 195? ...more like 175. Sarasoxer is totally right. He, in many ways, was impressive then...and now he has added some legit power. It blows me away how too much of the conversation on here has been on what he can't do. Maybe you remember a thread where it was asked who we thought would be our next centerfielder of the future. And to definitely boast, I said this kid! Not one of our prospects are perfect. Mayer is showing that right now. Most of our prospects wish they had Ceddanne's skills. I have NO doubt he will have a solid major league career. It just is "how high". I do believe he could come up right now and add as much as Adam Duval. And I like Duval. After this weak stretch of 10 games after the Jays, we should bring him up then if we haven't gotten hot and made up ground with this group. After those games it will be difficult and we might as well get Rafaela comfortable in Boston. He is part of our future. I believe in center...but right he fine...and he will excel.
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