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Patriots 2021 season thread
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jan 16, 2022 10:11:36 GMT -5
We're on to next year...
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Post by texs31 on Jan 16, 2022 10:28:23 GMT -5
So clear NE needs a massive upgrade on D (especially considering potential losses this offseason) . . .
So we'll probably get that WR we've been clamoring for.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 16, 2022 12:41:30 GMT -5
I'm really not that surprised, given we were down two starting CBs and that team had all it's weapons. Nevermind third meeting in a short period.
You obviously need some CB depth, I still focus on the offense for Mac Jones. Overall a good year!
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 16, 2022 12:52:02 GMT -5
Respect the effort by Mac, going against a Top 5 QB in the league and not looking overmatched despite everyone around him playing like they were off early.
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Post by marrcus on Jan 16, 2022 13:49:51 GMT -5
Some new coordinators, a personnel guy, a slot receiver, a deep threat (speed to keep things honest) a new LB Corps, Bill can't avoid change this time. Folk had a fabulous year but is that going to happen again given his age (kicker)?
I don't think it would happen but if Bill left for the nyg I wouldn't mind.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 16, 2022 14:25:51 GMT -5
Matt Judon was clearly not himself after that first Bills game where he was injured and came out for a bit. First 13 games 12.5 sacks and 25 QB hits, last five games no sacks and one QB hit. 13 tackles for loss in first 13 games, one the last five games. Likely our best player turned into a pumpkin the last five games and with the CB injuries really shows you why the D tanked at the end.
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Post by jmei on Jan 16, 2022 15:24:28 GMT -5
Judon was killing guys with the speed rush around the edge during the first half of the season. Opposing tackles adjusted during the second half and just pushed him past the quarterback consistently. He wasn’t able to add much in the way of counters (bull rush, spin moves, etc.) and it showed in the numbers. Combine that with Barmore missing some time and the DL reverted to being unable to consistently get pressure, especially against mobile QBs where they had to maintain rush lane integrity.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 16, 2022 15:56:42 GMT -5
That's not what I watched happened. More like he was banged up and down played that rib injury like most tough football players do, add in Covid and he just wasn't close to 100%. It wasn't the halfway point, it was literally right after week 13 playing the Bills when he hurt his ribs. Read reports also after that how his run grades also dropped a ton, it was his complete overall play. You went from having a massive disruptive force to last year with nothing overnight.
You see OTs improving, I see a guy a step slower because he's not 100% and that’s why he couldn't get the corner or make basically any impact.
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Post by cdj on Jan 16, 2022 16:24:48 GMT -5
Positive year overall even with the sour taste left in our mouth. Add at CB and add more speed at LB. I’d like one more legitimate receiving threat, preferably through the draft. Jahan Dotson is my target. Maybe they’ll be able to get Jameson Williams now with the injury
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 16, 2022 16:49:44 GMT -5
This was a good year for the rookie class, but other recent draft classes look even worse after this season. I feel worse about Onwenu, Wynn, Uche, Winovich, Harry, Williams, Jennings, Stidham, Asiasi, and Keene than I did at the end of last year. I don't think there's any argument to suggest any of those players improved their stock this year. Dugger and Harris improved, but Harris is already entering a contract year and that step forward/step back ratio is beyond terrible. They've had a huge problem with drafting and developing for years now, and that's why the roster is still full of holes after a record spending spree.
The good news is this recent draft class looks like a hit, but things need to keep trending that way in year two, and they really need to stack two or three more good to great draft classes to get this roster where it needs to be. JC is the first big domino, and if they can't extend him it makes most sense to tag and trade him, as letting him play out the year on the tag feels like the worst possible option at this current time.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 16, 2022 17:26:40 GMT -5
LOL some of you guys just crack me up with your comments. GOAT coach is washed up and can go coach another team..... sorry the Pats can't win the SB every year.
This was a successful season by any measure. Sure it ended on a really bad note but hey that should be motivation for them in regards to Buffalo in the future and that is a good thing. The Bills are for real and they aren't going anywhere so suck it up you bunch of buttercups.
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Post by rminns10 on Jan 16, 2022 18:31:35 GMT -5
This was a good year for the rookie class, but other recent draft classes look even worse after this season. I feel worse about Onwenu, Wynn, Uche, Winovich, Harry, Williams, Jennings, Stidham, Asiasi, and Keene than I did at the end of last year. I don't think there's any argument to suggest any of those players improved their stock this year. Dugger and Harris improved, but Harris is already entering a contract year and that step forward/step back ratio is beyond terrible. They've had a huge problem with drafting and developing for years now, and that's why the roster is still full of holes after a record spending spree. The good news is this recent draft class looks like a hit, but things need to keep trending that way in year two, and they really need to stack two or three more good to great draft classes to get this roster where it needs to be. JC is the first big domino, and if they can't extend him it makes most sense to tag and trade him, as letting him play out the year on the tag feels like the worst possible option at this current time. The Onwenu situation puzzles me, he was so good last year. Wish i knew what the rationale was/is for him not being a starter. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 17, 2022 8:31:49 GMT -5
Onwenu has been very good this year too. Whole situation is weird
Wynn played better with Karras next to him but Onwenu imo is better than Karras
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 17, 2022 9:52:06 GMT -5
I’m a little confused why the number one question going forward is not by far Jonnu Smith. He is basically our highest paid player and did almost nothing. Why aren’t more people talking about that?
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Post by costpet on Jan 17, 2022 10:04:20 GMT -5
For some reason the defense looked slow and old. That has to change. Hightower is a shell of his former self. The whole linebacker crew was just plodding. DB's couldn't cover. Lack of pass rush. Can't stop the run. No amount of coaching can fix that. However, a good draft could. Also, need some speed at WR. Harry is gone.
Lots of guys won't be resigned to free up cap space. Going crazy signing players to big multi-year contracts last year looks like a big mistake. Never should have done it, I guess. Now they are strapped with no cap space and little to show for it. So, they'd better have a great draft.
Needs among many - WR, CB, LB
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Post by texs31 on Jan 17, 2022 10:58:07 GMT -5
I’m a little confused why the number one question going forward is not by far Jonnu Smith. He is basically our highest paid player and did almost nothing. Why aren’t more people talking about that? Not really much to say. What you said is . . . true. Not much to do about it thought except hope there is a significant improvement in Yr 2 bc you can't really get off that deal. |
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Post by rjw on Jan 17, 2022 11:00:16 GMT -5
Going crazy signing players to big multi-year contracts last year looks like a big mistake. Never should have done it, I guess. I don't know that is completely true. Henry & Bourne look like good signings. Judon & Godchaux looked like pretty good signings until they faded late, so the jury is still out of them. Smith & Agholor though, yuck! |
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Post by costpet on Jan 17, 2022 11:09:16 GMT -5
If McCourty retires, it will cost us about $4 mil in cap space. But, if they cut Godchaux $5 Mil, Van Noy $5 mil, Anderson $1 mil Harry $1 mil Williams $1.5 mil Asiasi $1 mil Chase $1 mil Tavai $1 mil McMillan $1 mil, and Taylor $1 mil, that frees up a lot of space.
We will need it next year. Plus, a great draft.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 17, 2022 11:13:35 GMT -5
For some reason the defense looked slow and old. That has to change. Hightower is a shell of his former self. The whole linebacker crew was just plodding. DB's couldn't cover. Lack of pass rush. Can't stop the run. No amount of coaching can fix that. However, a good draft could. Also, need some speed at WR. Harry is gone. Lots of guys won't be resigned to free up cap space. Going crazy signing players to big multi-year contracts last year looks like a big mistake. Never should have done it, I guess. Now they are strapped with no cap space and little to show for it. So, they'd better have a great draft. Needs among many - WR, CB, LB Well not to say you are totally wrong as there are issues but the Pats were 2nd in the league in points allowed this season so maybe they did something right along the way. And that is what coaching does. It has always been a bend but don't break scheme and it has a decent track record over the last 20 yrs. Sometimes it doesn't look so good but it has been effective under BB wouldn't you say? As for your second paragraph. Big mistake? Well it got them back into the playoffs didn't it? I know as Pats fans we have been spoiled over the last 20 yrs but some good teams that were expected to be in the playoffs this season didn't make it. Miami, the Chargers, Baltimore, Cleveland all didn't make it. Making it into the playoffs after last season and moving on from the Brady era is an absolute success. The Pats had ONE losing season and are back in the playoffs. Go look at every other team in football and look at what their rebuilds looked like if they happened at all. Three traditionally very good teams haven't been to the playoffs in 5 yrs, Broncos, Dolphins and Giants and the Jets haven't in 11 yrs. Maybe we are being a bit too reactionary over one bad loss. I can understand it during the game but now that it is over it is time to look at the big picture and that picture looks a whole hell of a lot better than it did a year ago. In fact what BB did in the offseason has him favored as executive of the yr and you are calling it a big mistake, I disagree. Was it perfect, no but the pros completely outweigh the cons. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2022 11:43:20 GMT -5
I’m a little confused why the number one question going forward is not by far Jonnu Smith. He is basically our highest paid player and did almost nothing. Why aren’t more people talking about that? Not really much to say. What you said is . . . true. Not much to do about it thought except hope there is a significant improvement in Yr 2 bc you can't really get off that deal. By my count you can save 2.5 million if you can trade him. Yet his next year salary is fully guaranteed and like 6.25 million in 2023. So it won't be easy to trade him. Maybe for another bad contract, yet highly unlikely. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 17, 2022 11:49:35 GMT -5
They barely had Jonnu running routes, I think his production falls more on McDaniels than his actual ability
He was obviously not worth anything close to the numbers he makes but he’ll be on the roster next year and it wouldn’t shock me to see him be a lot better
I’d like them to use him more in the red zone. Would just make Henry that much more dangerous down there too
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Post by mobaz on Jan 17, 2022 11:50:52 GMT -5
We have to give a little leeway on the CB front as we were expecting to have Gilmore, J Jones and Mills as #1, 3 and 4 CBs by playoffs. That's a huge swing. DL and LBs both underperformed as units by by the end of the year with no similar excuse.
I still think the spending spree was worthwhile but this team needs to win at the draft the same way they did in 2021. I don't trust any FA WRs this year (or ever really) so hoping they target one at 21 or above. Calvin Ridley is a major potential trade target but has commitment to football questions.
I expected more from Jonnu; on TEN it seemed like injuries held him back but he didn't have a single "oh wow" game in a full mostly healthy season.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jan 17, 2022 11:55:19 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 17, 2022 11:56:07 GMT -5
I don't see cap space as an issue besides Jackson, you can't tag him and let him play on the tag. You need a long-term deal that drives down his cost this year and all deals need to do that. If you can't agree quickly, you need a quick trade as the tag would eat a ton of cap space.
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Post by jmei on Jan 17, 2022 11:57:58 GMT -5
The first year of a big free agent spending spree needs to look good because usually the big dead money cap hits are in later years. This last year was very good but not great.
Internal development of their young guys are huge. Need guys like Duggar, Barmore, Onwenu, Stevenson to keep taking that next step forward and a few guys from the Uche, Winovich, Joejuan Williams, J.J. Taylor, etc. tier to pop.
Most importantly, Mac Jones needs to keep improving. He was excellent for a rookie, but overall, he was just averagish, maybe a tick below. There’s a big difference between a Matt Cassel and a Kirk Cousins and a Matt Ryan.
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