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Post by texs31 on Sept 21, 2021 16:33:22 GMT -5
Folk has officially been signed to the 53 following Quinn Nordin's placement (albeit a week later) on IR.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 22, 2021 2:11:42 GMT -5
So you're saying the announcers were wrong they didn't rotate those two in the Miami game? They don't track players in and out in the boxscore like Basketball and frankly I didn't notice either player outside a holding call that Herron had. Which is frankly what you want from your OL. You seem to be going to extreme measures to say Durant last game was equal to Herron in the first game. So what were Herrons crazy negative plays? I'm not even trying to say Herron was anything special, yet allowing three sacks in the fashion Durant did in less than a half is about as bad as it gets. You can't compare them. What stands out is that it wasn't one great player, he just couldn't stop anyone. The Jets targeted him, that's the biggest negative for any player in my book. I'd also point out Herron played mostly LT last year, Onwenu played mostly RT. Lot of the same players, yet they are learning new positions and how to gel as a unit in there new roles. So Herron improving is exactly what you want to see. Nevermind learning how to adjust to a totally different QB and a totally different offense. I'm really not worried about our OL besides what I just watched from Durant. That will mess with a QBs head and might get him injured. All I said was Herron being bad in Miami and Durant being solid is why Durant started last game. I’ll send pics of PFF grades for each of them for both game and you’ll see it lines up with what I said. The combo has been a train wreck so far. I had a feeling your comments were off of PFF grades. Explain Durant having a better pass blocking grade with two third down sacks and first down sack fumble versus Herron in that first game with the offense moving the ball crazy well. I find that laughable given the context of how PFF grades plays. That's some Jones is the top corner for a few weeks crap. Makes me lose respect for PFF grades. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 22, 2021 5:32:01 GMT -5
All I said was Herron being bad in Miami and Durant being solid is why Durant started last game. I’ll send pics of PFF grades for each of them for both game and you’ll see it lines up with what I said. The combo has been a train wreck so far. I had a feeling your comments were off of PFF grades. Explain Durant having a better pass blocking grade with two third down sacks and first down sack fumble versus Herron in that first game with the offense moving the ball crazy well. I find that laughable given the context of how PFF grades plays. That's some Jones is the top corner for a few weeks crap. Makes me lose respect for PFF grades. The truth is, they weren’t. I looked up the grades for the first time yesterday. They just happen to line up. Reason being Herron was terrible against Miami and Durant was better. Hence why Durant started. You seem really take committed on this yet THE PATRIOTS STARTED DURANT. Ask yourself why, would Herron go from being the first guy in to the backup if he played better? Answer: he wouldn’t. It’s as simple as that and that’s all I’m saying. Here is Bedard the Tuesday after the Miami game after rewatching the tape: But when it comes to the rest of the offense and all the new pieces, was it realistic to think all the pieces would fit together precisely the first time out? Probably not, especially after losing RT Trent Brown after the first series. In the first game of the season, that was a monumental loss and proved tough to overcome with replacement Justin Herron basically a disaster to the point he had to be benched. And Herron's struggles had a trickle-down effect as RG Shaq Mason had one of his worst games, which probably wasn't helped by the inconsistency at RT, and the fact that the Dolphins kept attacking the right side of the Patriots' line after Brown went out. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/09/14/Bedard-Breakdown-patriots-costly-miscues-kept-Patriots-from-hitting-gear-Dolphins |
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Post by cdj on Sept 22, 2021 23:39:15 GMT -5
Lions are apparently shopping Jamie Collins
Bill is the only guy that seems to know how to use him. Not much of a need there though
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 23, 2021 6:15:14 GMT -5
That Miami loss is going to really hurt if they can’t pull it out this week because they will be staring 1-3 in the face.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 23, 2021 10:54:15 GMT -5
I had a feeling your comments were off of PFF grades. Explain Durant having a better pass blocking grade with two third down sacks and first down sack fumble versus Herron in that first game with the offense moving the ball crazy well. I find that laughable given the context of how PFF grades plays. That's some Jones is the top corner for a few weeks crap. Makes me lose respect for PFF grades. The truth is, they weren’t. I looked up the grades for the first time yesterday. They just happen to line up. Reason being Herron was terrible against Miami and Durant was better. Hence why Durant started. You seem really take committed on this yet THE PATRIOTS STARTED DURANT. Ask yourself why, would Herron go from being the first guy in to the backup if he played better? Answer: he wouldn’t. It’s as simple as that and that’s all I’m saying. Here is Bedard the Tuesday after the Miami game after rewatching the tape: But when it comes to the rest of the offense and all the new pieces, was it realistic to think all the pieces would fit together precisely the first time out? Probably not, especially after losing RT Trent Brown after the first series. In the first game of the season, that was a monumental loss and proved tough to overcome with replacement Justin Herron basically a disaster to the point he had to be benched. And Herron's struggles had a trickle-down effect as RG Shaq Mason had one of his worst games, which probably wasn't helped by the inconsistency at RT, and the fact that the Dolphins kept attacking the right side of the Patriots' line after Brown went out. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/09/14/Bedard-Breakdown-patriots-costly-miscues-kept-Patriots-from-hitting-gear-DolphinsThey rotated them, then Bill said last game that was the plan yet again. Explain to me your version that has Bill saying both are going to play, that's a lot different than what you're saying. I'm going off the coaches comments. This is Bill I didn't play Butler because it was in the teams best interest I fully stand by my comments that I'll take Herron performance versus the Dolphins anyday versus Durant versus the Jets. I'll bet money your boy Bedard used PFF grades when he made those comments. PFF has over 600 people that grade players and the plays outcome is suppose to matter. So please explain those grades. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 23, 2021 11:08:09 GMT -5
Lions are apparently shopping Jamie Collins Bill is the only guy that seems to know how to use him. Not much of a need there though I don't know about that, Bentley has played 84% of the snaps so far. I don't know if Collins is the right guy, yet I would certainly say we could use a more athletic LB. Good QBs are going to expose Bentley. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 23, 2021 11:11:54 GMT -5
Lions are apparently shopping Jamie Collins Bill is the only guy that seems to know how to use him. Not much of a need there though I don't know about that, Bentley has played 84% of the snaps so far. I don't know if Collins is the right guy, yet I would certainly say we could use a more athletic LB. Good QBs are going to expose Bentley. I’ve thought about it more and between what you say about Bentley and Hightower not quite being himself yet he could make for a great insurance policy for either guy. Obvs knows the scheme and can do many things in it. I’m in He’s one of my all time favorites, I have a signed football of his somewhere |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 23, 2021 11:57:10 GMT -5
The truth is, they weren’t. I looked up the grades for the first time yesterday. They just happen to line up. Reason being Herron was terrible against Miami and Durant was better. Hence why Durant started. You seem really take committed on this yet THE PATRIOTS STARTED DURANT. Ask yourself why, would Herron go from being the first guy in to the backup if he played better? Answer: he wouldn’t. It’s as simple as that and that’s all I’m saying. Here is Bedard the Tuesday after the Miami game after rewatching the tape: But when it comes to the rest of the offense and all the new pieces, was it realistic to think all the pieces would fit together precisely the first time out? Probably not, especially after losing RT Trent Brown after the first series. In the first game of the season, that was a monumental loss and proved tough to overcome with replacement Justin Herron basically a disaster to the point he had to be benched. And Herron's struggles had a trickle-down effect as RG Shaq Mason had one of his worst games, which probably wasn't helped by the inconsistency at RT, and the fact that the Dolphins kept attacking the right side of the Patriots' line after Brown went out. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/09/14/Bedard-Breakdown-patriots-costly-miscues-kept-Patriots-from-hitting-gear-DolphinsThey rotated them, then Bill said last game that was the plan yet again. Explain to me your version that has Bill saying both are going to play, that's a lot different than what you're saying. I'm going off the coaches comments. This is Bill I didn't play Butler because it was in the teams best interest I fully stand by my comments that I'll take Herron performance versus the Dolphins anyday versus Durant versus the Jets. I'll bet money your boy Bedard used PFF grades when he made those comments. PFF has over 600 people that grade players and the plays outcome is suppose to matter. So please explain those grades. I wasn’t disputing your comment I simply said the fact Herron sucked versus Miami is why you got so much Durant in either game. That’s just the reality and I’ll leave it at that. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 23, 2021 13:29:20 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 24, 2021 4:45:04 GMT -5
Unless he learned to play on the line and stop the run, or can play corner, he’s kind of useless baring some injuries. |
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Post by costpet on Sept 24, 2021 8:40:51 GMT -5
I don't blame Brady for the way he was treated here. BB is not much of a people person. I wish Kraft had stepped him and reeled Bill in. Brady should have retired here when the time came. Bill is a great coach, of course, but can be kind of a jerk at times.
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Post by cdj on Sept 24, 2021 8:42:02 GMT -5
Unless he learned to play on the line and stop the run, or can play corner, he’s kind of useless baring some injuries. I don’t think Hightower has looked particularly good and I don’t know if I trust Bentley to continue playing close to 90% of the snaps even if he is flashing pretty consistently. I wouldn’t mind having the depth |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2021 10:29:05 GMT -5
It might not look like an issue because Bentley has only been targeted three times in the passing game so far. We played crap QBs. Unless Bentley is a new player, smart experienced QBs are going to exploit that. Bentley has been actually very good against the run, he made a bunch of plays last game. Just different game plans, against Miami it was stop the pass, against Wilson it was stop the run and dare him to pass. I would like to see some shutdown D on both. Yet just like with the OL, it's a bunch of new players and a totally different D. It's going to take time. They played that hybrid 3-4 for years playing a ton with 1/2 DL guys, this year they are playing more of a true 3-4 having three DL guys on most plays. It's like Bill completely changed almost everything on offense and D.
Mills didn't look half bad and boy does Sam Darnold look like a new QB.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 24, 2021 13:42:48 GMT -5
Bentley has made some great plays and also gotten exposed almost as much. That’s not the recipe for a great defense. Is Collins that guy at ILB? We may have to hope Van Noy can be if Hightower doesn’t improve (i think he will). Can Uche please play more?
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Post by cdj on Sept 24, 2021 20:24:59 GMT -5
Uche needs to be on the field 75% of the time at least IMO. They need his speed on the field
Plus he absolutely dominates every pass rush metric you could think of
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 25, 2021 0:22:21 GMT -5
boy does Sam Darnold look like a new QB. He always had the talent. This is the Jets: |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 25, 2021 13:26:54 GMT -5
You don't want to dump a guy like Bentley, he's useful if used the right way. For me the perfect guy is a Parson like player, yet those are the crazy elite guys. Collins was great in coverage his last year here, got sacks and forced fumbles. You can also move Hightower, Van Noy and Collins around, confusing the D. You can't do that with Bentley. I don't think he's a perfect fit, yet he certainly add a lot. Imagine Judon and Uche rushing, then blitzing Hightower, Collins or Van Noy. Collins isn't making much base salary this year, yet he'll need to redo the deal next year. If the cost is low, yeah give me Jamie Collins. Add him and then add Gilmore starting game seven, wow watch out. It seems true, only Bill knows how to use Collins
Unless there is a run stuffing ILB that's fast and good in coverage available.
Then look for another WR that can stretch the field or an elite possession receiver that can always get open really fast. Since 2007 Welker and Edelman were huge in slowing the pass rush by allowing Brady to get the ball out quickly.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 25, 2021 13:30:27 GMT -5
Uche needs to be on the field 75% of the time at least IMO. They need his speed on the field Plus he absolutely dominates every pass rush metric you could think of He just needs to prove he can do more than just rush the passer. That's all he did in College, they would sub him out on run plays and he did very little dropping back into coverage. It might happen in time, yet he's just starting to be a monster as a pass rusher. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 26, 2021 12:29:01 GMT -5
It’d be nice for the offensive line to show up once
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 26, 2021 13:00:25 GMT -5
Just an embarrassing effort by everyone involved. There isn’t a single good thing to come out of this first half so far.
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Post by jmei on Sept 26, 2021 13:13:35 GMT -5
This Fox production team has been bad. Slow with replay and when they do include one, it’s the wrong one (didn’t get a replay of Cardona on that fourth down false start or a proper replay of the blocked punt, weird angle on the interception).
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Post by jmei on Sept 26, 2021 13:16:04 GMT -5
Offensive line has been pretty bad. Can’t move anyone in the run game and inconsistent in pass blocking. Mac hasn’t shown any pocket presence.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 26, 2021 13:18:04 GMT -5
Offensive line has been pretty bad. Can’t move anyone in the run game and inconsistent in pass blocking. Mac hasn’t shown any pocket presence. Hard to judge Mac right now. You could be right. But he also hasn’t had a pocket to show presence in. |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 26, 2021 13:19:30 GMT -5
Just an embarrassing effort by everyone involved. There isn’t a single good thing to come out of this first half so far. One side of the ball has been pretty darn good. |
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