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Patriots 2021 season thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2021 10:38:17 GMT -5
How do you judge an OL when the other team goes blitz crazy and our OC won't do things to stop it? It took McDaniels a half to start doing things like having the TEs actually block or chip block. Where are a ton of screen plays? Where's the hurry up offense to wear down the D and stop them from switching players in and out? Trent Brown isn't solving our OL issues, McDaniels needs to open up the playbook. You have to get the LB and safeties to worry about things behind them, they are just going full force downhill now. This is like last year with Newton, yet no max protection
Smith was garbage both dropping passes, poor blocking and a penalty. My fears were legit, we signed two TE that are good, yet not game changing. Yet the decline in using TE blocking is crazy bad. A hallmark of this team has been TE blocking. Asiasi was a good blocker last year. I'll give credit to Hunter Henry, he had a bunch of nice chip blocks in the second half that really helped. Yet we aren't getting our money's worth out of a pair of TEs that are the 3rd highest paid in the league.
Agholor was open deep twice on passes, the game changing passes he was brought in for. Mac Jones and him weren't in sync on the first one and Jones just missed him on the second one. That should improve in time.
Why in the world is Bolden playing so many offensive snaps over Taylor? Taylor is a big play waiting to happen. He's a better runner and a perfect guy to do screen plays with. He's electric with the ball in the open field. So many special team guys doing nothing, yet Asiasi and Stevenson not dressing.
McDaniels has to understand he doesn't have a Welker or Edelman anymore. Either go get a good really quick slot WR or change up the plays and the system.
I actually thought the D was good, especially with Uche out. Seven point is on Smith and that crazy stupid lucky throw got them another seven. This isn’t early 2000 and the offense didn't do them many favors.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 27, 2021 10:55:01 GMT -5
I have been MIA for a while and have not kept up with the conversations but had just one thought about what I have seen.
It is so bad that it seems like the other teams D knows what the Pats are trying to run on just about every play. Very little to be happy about so far and I'm afraid I will be losing my wager on total wins for the season. They have a long way to go and this upcoming TBay game isn't going to help things.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 27, 2021 12:31:00 GMT -5
How do you judge an OL when the other team goes blitz crazy and our OC won't do things to stop it? It took McDaniels a half to start doing things like having the TEs actually block or chip block. Where are a ton of screen plays? Where's the hurry up offense to wear down the D and stop them from switching players in and out? Trent Brown isn't solving our OL issues, McDaniels needs to open up the playbook. You have to get the LB and safeties to worry about things behind them, they are just going full force downhill now. This is like last year with Newton, yet no max protection Smith was garbage both dropping passes, poor blocking and a penalty. My fears were legit, we signed two TE that are good, yet not game changing. Yet the decline in using TE blocking is crazy bad. A hallmark of this team has been TE blocking. Asiasi was a good blocker last year. I'll give credit to Hunter Henry, he had a bunch of nice chip blocks in the second half that really helped. Yet we aren't getting our money's worth out of a pair of TEs that are the 3rd highest paid in the league. Agholor was open deep twice on passes, the game changing passes he was brought in for. Mac Jones and him weren't in sync on the first one and Jones just missed him on the second one. That should improve in time. Why in the world is Bolden playing so many offensive snaps over Taylor? Taylor is a big play waiting to happen. He's a better runner and a perfect guy to do screen plays with. He's electric with the ball in the open field. So many special team guys doing nothing, yet Asiasi and Stevenson not dressing. McDaniels has to understand he doesn't have a Welker or Edelman anymore. Either go get a good really quick slot WR or change up the plays and the system. I actually thought the D was good, especially with Uche out. Seven point is on Smith and that crazy stupid lucky throw got them another seven. This isn’t early 2000 and the offense didn't do them many favors. Are you asking for more screen passes? |
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Post by cdj on Sept 27, 2021 12:59:01 GMT -5
Bentley left the game with an injury yesterday, it’s Collins szn
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2021 13:23:13 GMT -5
How do you judge an OL when the other team goes blitz crazy and our OC won't do things to stop it? It took McDaniels a half to start doing things like having the TEs actually block or chip block. Where are a ton of screen plays? Where's the hurry up offense to wear down the D and stop them from switching players in and out? Trent Brown isn't solving our OL issues, McDaniels needs to open up the playbook. You have to get the LB and safeties to worry about things behind them, they are just going full force downhill now. This is like last year with Newton, yet no max protection Smith was garbage both dropping passes, poor blocking and a penalty. My fears were legit, we signed two TE that are good, yet not game changing. Yet the decline in using TE blocking is crazy bad. A hallmark of this team has been TE blocking. Asiasi was a good blocker last year. I'll give credit to Hunter Henry, he had a bunch of nice chip blocks in the second half that really helped. Yet we aren't getting our money's worth out of a pair of TEs that are the 3rd highest paid in the league. Agholor was open deep twice on passes, the game changing passes he was brought in for. Mac Jones and him weren't in sync on the first one and Jones just missed him on the second one. That should improve in time. Why in the world is Bolden playing so many offensive snaps over Taylor? Taylor is a big play waiting to happen. He's a better runner and a perfect guy to do screen plays with. He's electric with the ball in the open field. So many special team guys doing nothing, yet Asiasi and Stevenson not dressing. McDaniels has to understand he doesn't have a Welker or Edelman anymore. Either go get a good really quick slot WR or change up the plays and the system. I actually thought the D was good, especially with Uche out. Seven point is on Smith and that crazy stupid lucky throw got them another seven. This isn’t early 2000 and the offense didn't do them many favors. Are you asking for more screen passes? I'm asking them to do what they did for years to slow the pass rush and screen passes to the right players is a big part of that. Screen passes to guys like Taylor and Stevenson. No I don't want more Bolden screen passes, I don't want Bolden on the team. Make the guy a coach. Screen passes only work if they get you big gains. Screen passes, hurry up offense or you could actually try max protection packages. You might as well just forfeit if Bolden is going to play almost 50% of the snaps on offense. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 27, 2021 14:14:40 GMT -5
I think he’s worse than Harris and Taylor as a runner, but it’s not like Bolden is some invalid. He’s still very good athletically (or he wouldn’t be on core special teams units) and has put up good yards/touch numbers (albeit on very limited reps) in recent years. He’s also by far their best RB in pass protection, which Harris/Taylor have issues with and became very important in the second half when they were trying to come back from a multiple TD deficit and playing against a Saints defense that was blitzing quite often.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 28, 2021 5:22:31 GMT -5
Are you asking for more screen passes? I'm asking them to do what they did for years to slow the pass rush and screen passes to the right players is a big part of that. Screen passes to guys like Taylor and Stevenson. No I don't want more Bolden screen passes, I don't want Bolden on the team. Make the guy a coach. Screen passes only work if they get you big gains. Screen passes, hurry up offense or you could actually try max protection packages. You might as well just forfeit if Bolden is going to play almost 50% of the snaps on offense. I asked about the screens because I feel like they ran a ton of them in weeks 1 and 2. They tried to run a couple last week and they got blown up and also White got hurt. It’s not like they haven’t been a prominent feature or have gone MIA is my point. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2021 10:58:54 GMT -5
I'm asking them to do what they did for years to slow the pass rush and screen passes to the right players is a big part of that. Screen passes to guys like Taylor and Stevenson. No I don't want more Bolden screen passes, I don't want Bolden on the team. Make the guy a coach. Screen passes only work if they get you big gains. Screen passes, hurry up offense or you could actually try max protection packages. You might as well just forfeit if Bolden is going to play almost 50% of the snaps on offense. I asked about the screens because I feel like they ran a ton of them in weeks 1 and 2. They tried to run a couple last week and they got blown up and also White got hurt. It’s not like they haven’t been a prominent feature or have gone MIA is my point. I'm talking last game, they did many more dump down passes to the RBs than screens and that was the most blitz crazy a team has been all year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 28, 2021 11:34:49 GMT -5
This all really comes down to Stevenson who looked like his role was going to be big in the passing game. One mistake and we haven't seen him since.
Bolden is such a great offensive player he didn't have a single offensive snap last year. I'm sorry yet he's a horrible athlete as a runner. There's a massive difference in being able to cover and tackle versus running. If the best thing you can say about a guy is pass protection at the RB position, you're in trouble. We aren't Brady and the Bucs, we need weapons at the RB position. If you just want extra protection do something else. Patriots have basically had two types of RBs over the years. Your runners like Harris and receiving backs, yet the key to the receiving backs from Woodhead, Vereen and to White is that they were at minimum decent runners when you spread the D out and go pass happy. Bolden is horrible, 3 attempts and minus one yard last game. Taylor had that nice run that got called back.
Harris has seven blocking attempts over the last three years and two were in that last game. It's why every RB I focused on in the draft was seen as a good receiving RB that could block. I was pleasantly surprised when Stevenson was being used that way, yet Bam all offseason and all preseason meant nothing because he made one mistake. If you don't think he can pass block, than shame on Bill. You knew what Harris was, you knew you drafted Mac Jones.
I love last game the announcers pointing out we have three all pro special team players, yet what did they do? Instead of having the best special teams unit in the league, you are making a bunch of mistakes. Yet you aren't dressing Asiasi and Stevenson.
The Patriots have done this crap before, not looking good and then bam they gel and take off around the 4-5th game of the season. Yet I'm really starting to worry, they seem to have no clue how to use the pieces we have. I mean JJ Taylor is on the team to be Whites backup, that's the role I see for him. If you can't have him ready for that, why's he on the team?
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Post by cdj on Sept 28, 2021 15:56:38 GMT -5
They worked out a bunch of backs today- of note Ito Smith and Ryquell Armstead
Marlon Mack being shopped
Jamie Collins cut
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 29, 2021 5:14:13 GMT -5
Nice, you can get Collins for nothing.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 29, 2021 13:21:56 GMT -5
I asked about the screens because I feel like they ran a ton of them in weeks 1 and 2. They tried to run a couple last week and they got blown up and also White got hurt. It’s not like they haven’t been a prominent feature or have gone MIA is my point. I'm talking last game, they did many more dump down passes to the RBs than screens and that was the most blitz crazy a team has been all year. A couple screens got blown up early and then you lost White. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 29, 2021 14:26:35 GMT -5
Harry designated to return, per Reiss
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 29, 2021 15:50:24 GMT -5
I'm talking last game, they did many more dump down passes to the RBs than screens and that was the most blitz crazy a team has been all year. A couple screens got blown up early and then you lost White. Umm what plays are you talking about? You had the Taylor one on the second drive and if I remember right one more in the third quarter. You attempted 51 passes and had two screens. Yeah I want more and they need to get better at them. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 29, 2021 16:04:07 GMT -5
White now out for the season, per Schefter.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 30, 2021 6:31:03 GMT -5
White now out for the season, per Schefter. And the Sony Michel trade is now for the moment pretty much a mistake. Oh well maybe they get lucky with a pick or Stephonson returns and plays great reversing that narrative. None of it matters if the OLine doesn't start playing a lot better. Or could it be the Pats have been facing some dominant front 7's? That could be a factor and they are facing another one this weekend. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 30, 2021 6:37:57 GMT -5
Was he ever really going to be used in the passing game though?
If we're playing this game, I'd say letting Rex go was bigger.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2021 10:17:06 GMT -5
You hate to see guys deal with serious injuries, yet I'm excited. You likely need to add depth to the practice squad, yet Stevenson and Taylor can adds things White never could. Yeah you'll miss Whites experience and down field passing. Yet you should also become harder to guard, as both players are much better pure runners and better runners in the open field. Whites running didn't scare anyone, Stevenson is like a nimble Blunt and Taylor is likely the best small runner we've ever had. RB coach has said great things about Stevenson and that he's used the last couple weeks to do what they asked. I'm assuming that means pass protection.
Add in Asiasi so you can actually play mass protection. The one thing Asiasi did well last year was block, especially in the run game. Let's get back to playing smash mouth football. I can't be the only one that's highly disappointed with the blocking our two new TE are giving us. Heck use some extra lineman also. We've gotten away from that and are running too many plays with both TE going out to catch and it's killing our OL. Gives you the ability to play two TE and line up a third wide, which should make outside runs and screens much better. If you want to just use five OL than go hurry up. Mac Jones looked darn good in that to end the first half. So it's not like he can't run that offense.
Sonny Michel might be better at pass blocking than Harris, yet he's not a weapon in the passing game. Goes back to making you more predictable. So I'm not upset and they got good value for him. Just develop and play Stevenson and Taylor.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 1, 2021 15:38:09 GMT -5
Not that it matters at all but, reportedly, Jimmy G might be the "MFer" that Brady referred to this offseason, when looking for a new home.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 2, 2021 11:30:38 GMT -5
No Gronk Sunday night, per Schefter.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 2, 2021 11:48:29 GMT -5
No Gronk Sunday night, per Schefter. Sadly, I don't think it matters. I'm afraid it is going to be a trouncing. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 2, 2021 13:27:14 GMT -5
I'm excited, no Gronk is huge and that defense hasn't looked like the same unit from the superbowl that shutdown Mahomes. Nice early test for Mac Jones and how much of that playbook he can use. Win or lose, this game should tell us a lot about this team.
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Post by cdj on Oct 2, 2021 22:20:30 GMT -5
Bucs are down big in the secondary
That said I have $100 on them winning by a touchdown
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 3, 2021 6:15:02 GMT -5
I just can’t wait for this week to be over. I haven’t watched, read or listened to anything this week and you still can’t escape the Brady and Bill nonsense. Literally asking Pats fans who they are rooting for. If it’s not the Patriots, then you aren’t a Patriots fan.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 3, 2021 20:23:31 GMT -5
The Patriots just took the lead over TBay with Bolden getting most of the snaps at RB. Huh!!
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