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Red Sox vs. Astros 2021 ALCS Gameday Thread
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Oct 23, 2021 10:30:31 GMT -5
Sox lost the series when they didn't win games 1 and 4. They were the better team for four games but Astros got out of it at 2-2 (special thanks to Laz Diaz and short porches) and then they played better
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Post by congusgambler33 on Oct 23, 2021 10:49:37 GMT -5
This team was a dream from last years team to be sure and they gave us a lot of excitement and i truly feel that CB will make adjustments in the offseason to strengthen what he already has and there may be some surprises in who gets moved. Renfroe disappearing in the ALCS is a huge red flag. I loved his arm and his outfield assists, but you have to hit during crunch time.
I believe they need more athleticism and speed in the lineup along with taking the pitch the other way and stop trying to pull everything. Houston had no problem getting oppos in the series. The Sox started out the same way and then reverted back to trying to hit a 5 run homer.
The bullpen is going to be a huge turnover IMO. They need consistency with the relief pitchers and i believe there are some good free agent relievers that can fill the bill.
All in all it was a fun season and I don't have regrets at all what the season turned out to be, but I am sure Bloom has a collection of notes where the improvemnts need to be made.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 23, 2021 11:38:33 GMT -5
Thanks Soxfan, I think I need to learn that sometimes here on SP guys will just not give up a debate regardless of the facts put in front of them. Then again everyone is entitled to an opinion and I should just state mine and leave it at that. We all get caught up once in a while. Hope the Sox win tonight and I think they will, the way this season has gone a game 7 would be fitting. This is a pretty disingenuous statement when the people debating you are clearly also arguing with facts, you just think the facts you are citing are more important. One question, would you rather have Benny or Renfroe this past season?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 23, 2021 11:42:45 GMT -5
Who said anything about a juggernaut? His goal isnt to put together a 108 win team. It's to build a 95 win team that can be a 95 win team for an extended period. I think Bloom has given me enough reason to have faith in him that he will teach his goals over a period of time. It's not blind faith. I just watched a team that most pundits, myself included, expected to be around .500 win 92 games and make some noise in the playoffs as the minor league system took a big leap forward. That's great progress for one year and while I expect a plateau here or there I've seen enough to think there's a longterm plan in place that can work to make this team an annual contender that doesn't have to play over their heads to go far into the playoffs. You responded to me responding to a post saying they’d be “juggernauts.” So you were jumping in on that side. That was why I used quotation marks. I did not use the word blind, but if you want to qualify “faith,” ok. The point is, in 2025 we could have *none* of the current rotation. Who on this team do we know will still be here? And I am not banking on the next core coming internally. Our system is better than it has been for five years, and there are a few guys who look bankable (some further away like Yorke and Mayer). But we got looks at #4 and #8 this year, and there are huge questions. I’m not saying we won’t be a 110-win team in 2025. I am saying that we can say this team overachieved — but we can also say having such a thin bench, missing on Franchy (making Renfroe an everyday player), etc. ended up costing them a good chance against the Astros. I would rather see if they can get to the rings next year while they still have X, Eovaldi, Sale, Devers, etc than say “we’re building for a great team when we have, you know, guys.” The word juggernaut was not my word. It was SaltyforMVP's word and his definition of juggernaut might differ from mine. The only Red Sox juggernaut in mine life I've ever seen was the 2018 team. I guess I see a core minus X and Devers that's on the wrong side of 30 and will need replenishing. I can already see the roadmap to a future hard hitting infield, and for the first time in years the Sox actually have pitching prospects that project to be better than future relievers. It's a start. Bloom has only been on the job a couple of years and has done an impressive job. The farm system went from bottom 3rd to top 3rd as the team made the Final 4. Thay gives me faith that if you are patient with Bloom he will succeed with building a franchise that routinely wins 95 games per year and gives themselves a chance every year.
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Post by manfred on Oct 23, 2021 11:55:05 GMT -5
You responded to me responding to a post saying they’d be “juggernauts.” So you were jumping in on that side. That was why I used quotation marks. I did not use the word blind, but if you want to qualify “faith,” ok. The point is, in 2025 we could have *none* of the current rotation. Who on this team do we know will still be here? And I am not banking on the next core coming internally. Our system is better than it has been for five years, and there are a few guys who look bankable (some further away like Yorke and Mayer). But we got looks at #4 and #8 this year, and there are huge questions. I’m not saying we won’t be a 110-win team in 2025. I am saying that we can say this team overachieved — but we can also say having such a thin bench, missing on Franchy (making Renfroe an everyday player), etc. ended up costing them a good chance against the Astros. I would rather see if they can get to the rings next year while they still have X, Eovaldi, Sale, Devers, etc than say “we’re building for a great team when we have, you know, guys.” The word juggernaut was not my word. It was SaltyforMVP's word and his definition of juggernaut might differ from mine. The only Red Sox juggernaut in mine life I've ever seen was the 2018 team. I guess I see a core minus X and Devers that's on the wrong side of 30 and will need replenishing. I can already see the roadmap to a future hard hitting infield, and for the first time in years the Sox actually have pitching prospects that project to be better than future relievers. It's a start. Bloom has only been on the job a couple of years and has done an impressive job. The farm system went from bottom 3rd to top 3rd as the team made the Final 4. Thay gives me faith that if you are patient with Bloom he will succeed with building a franchise that routinely wins 95 games per year and gives themselves a chance every year. I see that view. But for all that, he’s made the minors better primarily by lengthening the top-30… not by necessarily adding studs. There is no one who is likely to be the next X or Devers. Guys have to max out to replace what yhe Sox have had these past 5 years. I *have* to be patient, it seems. But I guess I don’t get not feeling some sense of urgency. As you say, there is a core that is 30+ — and 2 possible HOFers that they may not resign. I am not as confident as some that resetting that will be so easy. Or… put differently: in the battle for young talent, are the Sox in as good a position as the Blue Jays or Rays? Who is our Vlad, Bichette, Biggio, Franco, Arozarena?
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Post by foreverred9 on Oct 23, 2021 11:58:42 GMT -5
Turnover is fast, just look at the Astros. There were only four players on the ALCS roster that were part of the Cheaters World Series roster - Bregman, Correa, Altuve, and Guriel (McCullers and Verlander are still there too) and Correa likely won't be there next year. They are in the World Series because of who they've added to the roster since.
In 2025 we're also only going to have a handful of players left from this team. Who are those 4-5?
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Post by manfred on Oct 23, 2021 12:05:14 GMT -5
Turnover is fast, just look at the Astros. There were only four players on the ALCS roster that were part of the Cheaters World Series roster - Bregman, Correa, Altuve, and Guriel (McCullers and Verlander are still there too) and Correa likely won't be there next year. They are in the World Series because of who they've added to the roster since. In 2025 we're also only going to have a handful of players left from this team. Who are those 4-5? The only two guys I think have a good chance are Houck and Whitlock. Otherwise, I could see everyone being gone. And it is never a great bet to say two young pitchers will be around in four years. Add: and on the Astros. Only a few guys, but at least three elite guys. And though McCullers was out of the playoffs, he was a big contributor to getting them there. It is a good comp to this years Sox team as a remnant of 2018… mostly gone, but the guys left are the elite core (most of it). There will always be turnover — but there is a big difference between replacing our 2b or even JBJ… and replacing X, or Devers, or Sale.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 23, 2021 12:17:47 GMT -5
A lot of my faith in CB is based on a belief that he will draft well. He's had two drafts so far and we have to be pleased with both. Yorke, Mayer and Blaze have a chance to be impact guys. I expect more impact to the system in '22 when he'll have at least one extra second-round pick. We have to be patient waiting for the farm to become a machine that annually turns out studs.
In the meantime, I expect more Pivettas, Whitlocks, Renfores, KKHs and Verdugos - guys who aren't stars but who make low-cost contributions to keep us competitive most years.
I'd love to see X and Devers be a part of that Next Great RS Team, but only at dollars that don't cripple the payroll. CB will use their situations to the RS advantage. He'll either sign them to reasonable deals or trade them for guys who will be contributors to the Next Great RS Team.
Good times ahead.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 23, 2021 12:25:20 GMT -5
Turnover is fast, just look at the Astros. There were only four players on the ALCS roster that were part of the Cheaters World Series roster - Bregman, Correa, Altuve, and Guriel (McCullers and Verlander are still there too) and Correa likely won't be there next year. They are in the World Series because of who they've added to the roster since. In 2025 we're also only going to have a handful of players left from this team. Who are those 4-5? The only two guys I think have a good chance are Houck and Whitlock. Otherwise, I could see everyone being gone. And it is never a great bet to say two young pitchers will be around in four years. Add: and on the Astros. Only a few guys, but at least three elite guys. And though McCullers was out of the playoffs, he was a big contributor to getting them there. It is a good comp to this years Sox team as a remnant of 2018… mostly gone, but the guys left are the elite core (most of it). There will always be turnover — but there is a big difference between replacing our 2b or even JBJ… and replacing X, or Devers, or Sale. I like Raffy, too, but you're seriously overrating him. He was 3.5 B-Ref WAR in 2021. That is not anywhere near elite or unreplaceable. In 2020, he was just under 2 WAR on a pro-rated basis. If you told me right now that Yorke, Mayer or Casas will develop into a 3.5 WAR player, I'd be disappointed.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 23, 2021 12:26:02 GMT -5
The word juggernaut was not my word. It was SaltyforMVP's word and his definition of juggernaut might differ from mine. The only Red Sox juggernaut in mine life I've ever seen was the 2018 team. I guess I see a core minus X and Devers that's on the wrong side of 30 and will need replenishing. I can already see the roadmap to a future hard hitting infield, and for the first time in years the Sox actually have pitching prospects that project to be better than future relievers. It's a start. Bloom has only been on the job a couple of years and has done an impressive job. The farm system went from bottom 3rd to top 3rd as the team made the Final 4. Thay gives me faith that if you are patient with Bloom he will succeed with building a franchise that routinely wins 95 games per year and gives themselves a chance every year. I see that view. But for all that, he’s made the minors better primarily by lengthening the top-30… not by necessarily adding studs. There is no one who is likely to be the next X or Devers. Guys have to max out to replace what yhe Sox have had these past 5 years. I *have* to be patient, it seems. But I guess I don’t get not feeling some sense of urgency. As you say, there is a core that is 30+ — and 2 possible HOFers that they may not resign. I am not as confident as some that resetting that will be so easy. Or… put differently: in the battle for young talent, are the Sox in as good a position as the Blue Jays or Rays? Who is our Vlad, Bichette, Biggio, Franco, Arozarena? The Sox just drafted what most people considered to be the #1 pick in the draft. They also had a guy who had about as good a season as anybody on the planet that was his age 19. And there is another guy ranked above them who was arguably the best player on the Olympic team. Sure their are no guarantees of anything but to dismiss them as not likely to be the next top level player is a bit pessimistic isn't it? I mean what more do they have to do at this stage of their careers to be considered future stars?
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Post by manfred on Oct 23, 2021 12:30:12 GMT -5
The only two guys I think have a good chance are Houck and Whitlock. Otherwise, I could see everyone being gone. And it is never a great bet to say two young pitchers will be around in four years. Add: and on the Astros. Only a few guys, but at least three elite guys. And though McCullers was out of the playoffs, he was a big contributor to getting them there. It is a good comp to this years Sox team as a remnant of 2018… mostly gone, but the guys left are the elite core (most of it). There will always be turnover — but there is a big difference between replacing our 2b or even JBJ… and replacing X, or Devers, or Sale. I like Raffy, too, but I think you're seriously overrating him. He was 3.5 B-Ref WAR in 2021. That is not anywhere near elite or unreplaceable. In 2020, he was just under 2 WAR on a pro-rated basis. If you told me right now that Yorke, Mayer or Casas will develop into a 3.5 WAR player, I'd be disappointed. Devers is 24. When he was a year older than Casas… who has played 9 AAA games — he was a 5.4 WAR major leaguer. If you are going to be *disappointed* that those guys won’t be Devers, you are setting a high bar.
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Post by manfred on Oct 23, 2021 12:37:31 GMT -5
I see that view. But for all that, he’s made the minors better primarily by lengthening the top-30… not by necessarily adding studs. There is no one who is likely to be the next X or Devers. Guys have to max out to replace what yhe Sox have had these past 5 years. I *have* to be patient, it seems. But I guess I don’t get not feeling some sense of urgency. As you say, there is a core that is 30+ — and 2 possible HOFers that they may not resign. I am not as confident as some that resetting that will be so easy. Or… put differently: in the battle for young talent, are the Sox in as good a position as the Blue Jays or Rays? Who is our Vlad, Bichette, Biggio, Franco, Arozarena? The Sox just drafted what most people considered to be the #1 pick in the draft. They also had a guy who had about as good a season as anybody on the planet that was his age 19. And there is another guy ranked above them who was arguably the best player on the Olympic team. Sure their are no guarantees of anything but to dismiss them as not likely to be the next top level player is a bit pessimistic isn't it? I mean what more do they have to do at this stage of their careers to be considered future stars? I am not disagreeing… but… when Devers was 20, he was in the bigs. When X was 20 he was in the bigs. You can’t compare the trajectories. I have a feeling if either of those two were in Salem instead of Boston, they would have put up dramatic numbers. I am *not* dumping on those guys. But one in the hand is worth two in the bush. If people think we are set with an infield of Mayer, Yorke, and Casas in a few years, I don’t necessarily disagree… but how many times have folks looked down the line and said “when we have Middlebrooks at third” or Lars at first or whatever? I just don’t like saying we’ll get ‘em in 2025 when we should be saying we can reload and get ‘em in 2022 when there remains the tail end of their greatest team ever.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 23, 2021 12:44:14 GMT -5
I like Raffy, too, but I think you're seriously overrating him. He was 3.5 B-Ref WAR in 2021. That is not anywhere near elite or unreplaceable. In 2020, he was just under 2 WAR on a pro-rated basis. If you told me right now that Yorke, Mayer or Casas will develop into a 3.5 WAR player, I'd be disappointed. Devers is 24. When he was a year older than Casas… who has played 9 AAA games — he was a 5.4 WAR major leaguer. If you are going to be *disappointed* that those guys won’t be Devers, you are setting a high bar. So, you're pointing out that he's regressing? I'm kidding. Mentioning his 5.4-WAR 2019 season is fair. But that's still not an elite-level player (at least not by my definition of elite) and to get to that 5.4 he had to have the best defensive year (exactly replacement level) of his young career. His defense drags down his WAR enough to keep him from being elite and his defense isn't getting better whether you're judging it by stats or by the eye test.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 23, 2021 12:47:33 GMT -5
They need to try Houck in the rotation. Not only is putting him im the bullpen a bit of a waste but its a reasonable question if he even pitches better in that role.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 23, 2021 12:55:44 GMT -5
The Sox just drafted what most people considered to be the #1 pick in the draft. They also had a guy who had about as good a season as anybody on the planet that was his age 19. And there is another guy ranked above them who was arguably the best player on the Olympic team. Sure their are no guarantees of anything but to dismiss them as not likely to be the next top level player is a bit pessimistic isn't it? I mean what more do they have to do at this stage of their careers to be considered future stars? I am not disagreeing… but… when Devers was 20, he was in the bigs. When X was 20 he was in the bigs. You can’t compare the trajectories. I have a feeling if either of those two were in Salem instead of Boston, they would have put up dramatic numbers. I am *not* dumping on those guys. But one in the hand is worth two in the bush. If people think we are set with an infield of Mayer, Yorke, and Casas in a few years, I don’t necessarily disagree… but how many times have folks looked down the line and said “when we have Middlebrooks at third” or Lars at first or whatever? I just don’t like saying we’ll get ‘em in 2025 when we should be saying we can reload and get ‘em in 2022 when there remains the tail end of their greatest team ever. I completely understand where you are coming from. But you know what, neither Bogey or Raffy put up the numbers that Yorke just did while they were in the minors. In fact Yorke and Raffy were in single A at the same age and Yorke out did his numbers. Just saying the Sox have every reason to believe they have all star level players coming up the ladder. I'm not one of those looking at 2025 and predicting anything other than I expect Bloom will have them in contention. I also expect that the Sox to be right there every year, this was supposed to be the year they wouldn't be. This off season should be interesting. I really wouldn't be surprised regardless of what Chaim does. I like the roster for the most part but he might decide the defense needs to improve which could lead to a lot of turnover. Or he could decide to run this group back with some upgrades here and there.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 23, 2021 14:50:23 GMT -5
You responded to me responding to a post saying they’d be “juggernauts.” So you were jumping in on that side. That was why I used quotation marks. I did not use the word blind, but if you want to qualify “faith,” ok. The point is, in 2025 we could have *none* of the current rotation. Who on this team do we know will still be here? And I am not banking on the next core coming internally. Our system is better than it has been for five years, and there are a few guys who look bankable (some further away like Yorke and Mayer). But we got looks at #4 and #8 this year, and there are huge questions. I’m not saying we won’t be a 110-win team in 2025. I am saying that we can say this team overachieved — but we can also say having such a thin bench, missing on Franchy (making Renfroe an everyday player), etc. ended up costing them a good chance against the Astros. I would rather see if they can get to the rings next year while they still have X, Eovaldi, Sale, Devers, etc than say “we’re building for a great team when we have, you know, guys.” The word juggernaut was not my word. It was SaltyforMVP's word and his definition of juggernaut might differ from mine. The only Red Sox juggernaut in mine life I've ever seen was the 2018 team. I guess I see a core minus X and Devers that's on the wrong side of 30 and will need replenishing. I can already see the roadmap to a future hard hitting infield, and for the first time in years the Sox actually have pitching prospects that project to be better than future relievers. It's a start. Bloom has only been on the job a couple of years and has done an impressive job. The farm system went from bottom 3rd to top 3rd as the team made the Final 4. Thay gives me faith that if you are patient with Bloom he will succeed with building a franchise that routinely wins 95 games per year and gives themselves a chance every year. By Juggernaut I meant a team maybe like say the 07 Sox rather than the 18 team - good mix of young talent with veteran presence (95-100 wins). Juggernaut was probably not the right word to use given there's only been so many of those teams.
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 23, 2021 20:25:21 GMT -5
Team had a way better season than I expected. My hat is off to Bloom and Cora who I feel had a big hand in that. I was expecting a 500 season and missing the playoffs. I have to say though with regard to the ALCS for a team to go from hitting good enough for three games and then to go 10 for their last 90 ABs against pitching that is good but not outstanding, something stinks IMO. Just a very hard to believe ending with bats going that cold the last three games. Oh well on to the off season.
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Post by lostinnewjersey on Oct 23, 2021 20:31:05 GMT -5
Team had a way better season than I expected. My hat is off to Bloom and Cora who I feel had a big hand in that. I was expecting a 500 season and missing the playoffs. I have to say though with regard to the ALCS for a team to go from hitting good enough for three games and then to go 10 for their last 90 ABs against pitching that is good but not outstanding, something stinks IMO. Just a very hard to believe ending with bats going that cold the last three games. Oh well on to the off season. Maybe the Astros decided that, as a refreshing change of pace, they could have their pitchers cheat this time.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 23, 2021 20:58:20 GMT -5
Team had a way better season than I expected. My hat is off to Bloom and Cora who I feel had a big hand in that. I was expecting a 500 season and missing the playoffs. I have to say though with regard to the ALCS for a team to go from hitting good enough for three games and then to go 10 for their last 90 ABs against pitching that is good but not outstanding, something stinks IMO. Just a very hard to believe ending with bats going that cold the last three games. Oh well on to the off season. Maybe the Astros decided that, as a refreshing change of pace, they could have their pitchers cheat this time. Or maybe it's what Cora said it was. The Astros pitchers stopped nibbling with their breaking pitches and started challenging Sox hitters with their fastball and forced Red Sox hitters to be more aggressive and the Sox hitters totally abandoned the way they had been hitting. Sox hitters, instead of going the other way and against the shift, tried to pull everything and they were swinging for the fences. Once ahead of the count Astros pitchers started then throwing pitches off the plate and instead of being patient, Sox hitters were doing some serious chasing. You saw JDM swinging and missing at Garcia's pitches dipping below the strike zone. In 1 AB he swung and missed at the same pitch 3 times. You saw Arroyo swinging at outside sliders and having no chance. You saw Xander trying to pull outside sliders futilely. You saw Rafi jumping on high out of the zone fastballs and popping them up. From what I saw only Verdugo didn't abandon his approach. I don't think the entire Astros staff had to cheat to shut down the Sox. You can argue that Valdez was touching something some foreign substance - I can understand that. But that doesn't explain their bullpen or Garcia. The Astros adjusted and the Sox never countered it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 23, 2021 21:22:24 GMT -5
Guess its symmetry that the Red Sox lost their first 3 games of the season and lost their final 3 games of the season.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Oct 24, 2021 0:34:17 GMT -5
I am surprised that no one even mentioned that annoying whistler. He has been present in several Sox games this season and I notice it because the whistle is so annoying and I turned the game on hoping that clown wasn't there with that stupid whistling. Now I see that some think it was a tipoff to what the pitcher is throwing. That could be, but he has been doing this all season at times when nothing is happening. i am sure one or two of the games when the Sox played the Astros and several others. It seemed like he was right under the broadcast crew that made it louder and more unbearable.
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Post by lostinnewjersey on Oct 24, 2021 9:12:13 GMT -5
Maybe the Astros decided that, as a refreshing change of pace, they could have their pitchers cheat this time. Or maybe it's what Cora said it was. The Astros pitchers stopped nibbling with their breaking pitches and started challenging Sox hitters with their fastball and forced Red Sox hitters to be more aggressive and the Sox hitters totally abandoned the way they had been hitting. Sox hitters, instead of going the other way and against the shift, tried to pull everything and they were swinging for the fences. Once ahead of the count Astros pitchers started then throwing pitches off the plate and instead of being patient, Sox hitters were doing some serious chasing. You saw JDM swinging and missing at Garcia's pitches dipping below the strike zone. In 1 AB he swung and missed at the same pitch 3 times. You saw Arroyo swinging at outside sliders and having no chance. You saw Xander trying to pull outside sliders futilely. You saw Rafi jumping on high out of the zone fastballs and popping them up. From what I saw only Verdugo didn't abandon his approach. I don't think the entire Astros staff had to cheat to shut down the Sox. You can argue that Valdez was touching something some foreign substance - I can understand that. But that doesn't explain their bullpen or Garcia. The Astros adjusted and the Sox never countered it. Right. I was joking. But I do despise the Astros. I hope the Braves sweep.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 25, 2021 13:50:54 GMT -5
Turnover is fast, just look at the Astros. There were only four players on the ALCS roster that were part of the Cheaters World Series roster - Bregman, Correa, Altuve, and Guriel (McCullers and Verlander are still there too) and Correa likely won't be there next year. They are in the World Series because of who they've added to the roster since. In 2025 we're also only going to have a handful of players left from this team. Who are those 4-5? Players on both RS WS teams: 2004/2007: Varitek, Ramirez, Ortiz, Youkilis (big change in role), Wakefield, Schilling, Timlin 2007/2013: Ortiz, Pedroia, Lester (big change in role), Buchholz (bigger change in role) 2013/2018: Bogaerts (big change in role), Pedroia (non-factor though) Das' it. I think people take for granted how much rosters turn over. Now, back in the day, the way the FA comp rules worked, there was more incentive to turn over a roster (if a guy was borderline, you were better off replacing him than resigning him). So not necessarily apples to apples.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 25, 2021 13:57:39 GMT -5
Turnover is fast, just look at the Astros. There were only four players on the ALCS roster that were part of the Cheaters World Series roster - Bregman, Correa, Altuve, and Guriel (McCullers and Verlander are still there too) and Correa likely won't be there next year. They are in the World Series because of who they've added to the roster since. In 2025 we're also only going to have a handful of players left from this team. Who are those 4-5? Players on both RS WS teams: 2004/2007: Varitek, Ramirez, Ortiz, Youkilis (big change in role), Wakefield, Schilling, Timlin 2007/2013: Ortiz, Pedroia, Lester (big change in role), Buchholz (bigger change in role) 2013/2018: Bogaerts (big change in role), Pedroia (non-factor though) Das' it. I think people take for granted how much rosters turn over. Now, back in the day, the way the FA comp rules worked, there was more incentive to turn over a roster (if a guy was borderline, you were better off replacing him than resigning him). So not necessarily apples to apples. Just a few quick notes: Jacoby Ellsbury seized the CF job toward the end of the 2007 ALCS into the World Series and was a sparkplug late in the regular season. He was the leadoff hitter/sparkplug on the 2013 team. Brandon Workman came up in the second half of 2013 but was more prominent in the post-season. In 2018 he was useful during the regular season but was only on the roster for the ALDS against the Yankees. Brock Holt, Stephen Wright, and JBJ all had fleeting moments on the 2013 team but played larger roles on the 2018 team. I'll also add that Doug Mirabelli was on both the 2004 and 2007 teams in the same role but as we remember he was traded away in 2006 and famously came back about shortly thereafter that year when Josh Bard couldn't handle the knuckleball.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 26, 2021 15:02:20 GMT -5
Anyone planning on watching the WS? Will there be a game thread even though the Sox aren't playing??
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