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What 2021-22 Free Agents Do You Want
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 26, 2021 9:55:39 GMT -5
A handful of people in this thread have commented on wanting someone to "fill" or "lock down" DH, but I really don't think that's necessary. Especially given how weak our infield defense has been, I would much rather rotate players through the DH slot to keep them fresh while simultaneously improving our average defense. First, love seeing a bunch of new posters (or former lurkers) chiming in. Welcome!! Whenever I look at a team that has been rotating DH to get guys rest, the lineup as a whole is WEAK. Just take a look at the good teams that do that; you don't see the lineup lengthen the way the Sox did for the Astros series. If you have the financial ability, replacing a 115 OPS+ lineup spot (if you're lucky) with 135-145+ for little sacrifice except $16M is huge over the season. I think it's an easy benefit of flexing financial muscle. But your argument for the defensive benefit is also compelling. I think with 26 roster spots and Kiké's flexibility, you can do something similar. Honestly they tried to with Marwin and Danny Santana this season, but maybe we can get someone higher quality and use that. None of this works with both JDM and Schwarber (i think it's untenable to end another year with both), and of the two I'd rather Schwarbs at 4x16 than JDM at 1x 19 I think. But obviously the Sox don't control their own destiny there. I agree with a lot of this also. But I will say that during yesterdays presser Chaim mentioned having both Schwarbs and JD in the lineup made for some of the best of the season and went on to say that was with him learning 1st base on the fly. I think the Sox may have confidence in a platoon at 1st with BD and Schwarbs. He went on to mention they can both play the OF. I mention this because for the most part Bloom avoided these types of comments about other players but didn't avoid the JD and Schwarbs question on keeping both of them. Which I think can be tenable for a season, then the Casas era begins. At that point JD and BD are expendable, maybe. Then again JD could opt out and it is a moot point, we will find out soon if that is the case. Either way I would like to see Schwarbs on next years team. BTW good point on doing the opposite of what many think is the way to go at DH. Yes it is a luxury to have had Papi and JD in the lineup mashing for the past 18 yrs, certainly beats having a slap hitting utility guy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 26, 2021 11:54:00 GMT -5
I'm not going through every player, yet that is just wrong. Example Hunter Dozier is -49 DRS since 2018. Bogaerts rank as worst defender per year is 60th, 32, 34 and 35 for 2021 to 2018. He's never been close to top ten worst in a single year. That's before you account for games also, like Duran -5 also last year, yet in way fewer games or Travis Shaw at -3 in a very limited sample size. You can sort on Fangraphs and find the full list, in cumulative DRS since 2018 Xander is 11th worst (once you remove innings qualifiers), or 7th worst excluding catchers. You're right about the sample size thing in that most guys who are worse than he is defensively don't get the innings played to rack up so many negative plays. UZR has him much better overall, but that's despite his range, which UZR also has as third worst (cumulatively) among shortstops since 2018. UZR just also gives him a lot of credit for avoiding errors, which the other stats don't value as highly. As a broader point, since the start of 2019 the Red Sox gap between their ERA and their FIP is the biggest in baseball, in the wrong direction (the Dodgers actually have a bigger gap in that their ERA massively outperforms their FIP). It's obviously not just Xander, and there are plenty of other ways to do it, but improving the team defense should be a big priority. That list is wrong. Example the list has Hunter Dozier as -12 last year, which he was at 3B. Yet he was also -9 playing RF and they don't include that. That search shows Hunter Dozier as -31 since 2018, he's -49. Baseball Refrence has the lists per year, just no search tool like Fangraphs and I'm not spending hours calculating the true numbers. Just know those numbers are all types of wrong. I don't disagree his range is not good and I certainly don't think he's a good defender. I just believe he's closer to the 60th worst defender than 7th. I would buy he might be the 7th worst defender by range, yet more to D than just range. Given what statcast D doesn't monitor like assists, field percentage, errors, double plays, it's basically just monitoring range right? So that makes sense.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 26, 2021 12:31:19 GMT -5
A couple points
- I don't think it makes sense to call Bogaerts the Nth worst defender based on these rankings. When he plays at SS, he is being graded against a baseline of other major league shortstops. If he moved off a SS you should expect his ranking to increase simply because he is being compared to worse fielders.
- The Red Sox should be expected to have a worse ERA than FIP every year because of Fenway Park, which inflates BABIPs big time. Last year's defense was bad on top of that.
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Post by scottysmalls on Oct 26, 2021 12:48:34 GMT -5
You can sort on Fangraphs and find the full list, in cumulative DRS since 2018 Xander is 11th worst (once you remove innings qualifiers), or 7th worst excluding catchers. You're right about the sample size thing in that most guys who are worse than he is defensively don't get the innings played to rack up so many negative plays. UZR has him much better overall, but that's despite his range, which UZR also has as third worst (cumulatively) among shortstops since 2018. UZR just also gives him a lot of credit for avoiding errors, which the other stats don't value as highly. As a broader point, since the start of 2019 the Red Sox gap between their ERA and their FIP is the biggest in baseball, in the wrong direction (the Dodgers actually have a bigger gap in that their ERA massively outperforms their FIP). It's obviously not just Xander, and there are plenty of other ways to do it, but improving the team defense should be a big priority. That list is wrong. Example the list has Hunter Dozier as -12 last year, which he was at 3B. Yet he was also -9 playing RF and they don't include that. That search shows Hunter Dozier as -31 since 2018, he's -49. Baseball Refrence has the lists per year, just no search tool like Fangraphs and I'm not spending hours calculating the true numbers. Just know those numbers are all types of wrong. I don't disagree his range is not good and I certainly don't think he's a good defender. I just believe he's closer to the 60th worst defender than 7th. I would buy he might be the 7th worst defender by range, yet more to D than just range. Given what statcast D doesn't monitor like assists, field percentage, errors, double plays, it's basically just monitoring range right? So that makes sense. Ah the list is player x position granular, so guys have a row for each position they played. There may then be more utility guys like Dozier that are bad defenders at multiple positions that would rate worse in aggregate. In any case, DRS isn't necessarily meant to be compared across positions this way anyways, it doesn't take into account difficulty of fielding a given position. At this point I think we're just splitting hairs a bit, we both agree he's not a good defender, and probably also both agree he doesn't necessarily have to be moved this year. Also though, I wouldn't say OAA is just range, if you miss the easy plays you'll get knocked for that too. It's all based on probability of making a given play based on the batted ball data as well as the runner's speed (in a much more scientific way than say UZR which just classifies baserunners as "fast" or "slow" essentially).
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 26, 2021 15:27:57 GMT -5
As President of the Hunter Renfroe fan club I would like to announce that he is 1 of 8 finalists for the Silver Slugger award among AL outfielders. LOL
Maybe he did deserve to be a starter.
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Post by notstarboard on Oct 26, 2021 15:28:18 GMT -5
A handful of people in this thread have commented on wanting someone to "fill" or "lock down" DH, but I really don't think that's necessary. Especially given how weak our infield defense has been, I would much rather rotate players through the DH slot to keep them fresh while simultaneously improving our average defense. First, love seeing a bunch of new posters (or former lurkers) chiming in. Welcome! Whenever I look at a team that has been rotating DH to get guys rest, the lineup as a whole is WEAK. Just take a look at the good teams that do that; you don't see the lineup lengthen the way the Sox did for the Astros series. If you have the financial ability, replacing a 115 OPS+ lineup spot (if you're lucky) with 135-145+ for little sacrifice except $16M is huge over the season. I think it's an easy benefit of flexing financial muscle. But your argument for the defensive benefit is also compelling. I think with 26 roster spots and Kiké's flexibility, you can do something similar. Honestly they tried to with Marwin and Danny Santana this season, but maybe we can get someone higher quality and use that. None of this works with both JDM and Schwarber (i think it's untenable to end another year with both), and of the two I'd rather Schwarbs at 4x16 than JDM at 1x 19 I think. But obviously the Sox don't control their own destiny there. Thanks for the welcome!
I'm not sure I agree on the rotating DH philosophy being a bad one. Take the 2020 Rays for example, since they opted for almost this exact strategy. They rotated players through DH for the most part and didn't even get great production from the spot, but they still went 40-20 and won the pennant. Yoshi Tsutsugo got 22 starts at DH (.197/.314/.395 for the year), Jose Martinez got 13 (239/.329/.388 for the year), Austin Meadows got 9 (205/.296/.371 for the year), Yandy Diaz got 6 (.256/.353/.387 for the year), and a few other guys got some starts here and there (5 for Arozarena, 3 for Lowe, 1 for Choi, etc.). Notice that not a single one of the top four guys rotating through the DH slot slugged over .400 for the year. They were still 6th in the AL in runs scored and were fourth in the AL in SABR Defensive Index.
I don't think it's as simple as spending $16M or $19.3M or what have you to upgrade your OPS+ by 20-30 points at a given position. You also have to consider the lost defensive value from 162 games with subpar fielders, like Bogaerts and Devers, playing the infield instead of someone with a superior glove. That could easily add up to a statistical win or two, depending on the quality of the players subbing in. There's going to be some influence in the form of increased GIDP, lower BsR, etc. from giving more at bats to slower players too, so those factors will dampen the boost you get from the stronger bat. I don't personally want this, but if we're looking to acquire an expensive plus bat, I think it makes a lot of sense to sign one of the marquee SS free agents than it does to clog DH with Martinez or Schwarber. That sort of move feels less attractive if Martinez or Schwarber is here, though, since Xander would then basically be forced to play 2B every day. I don't hate him there honestly - his range is relatively low for a middle infielder, but I don't think his arm is as good as others on this forum seem to, he doesn't make many errors, and he seems to turn DPs well enough - but I'd be happier if we could cycle him, Devers, and Dalbec through DH. Putting two more solid defenders (the new SS and whoever fills the infield spot for the guy DHing) every night, giving our regulars a bit more rest, and keeping their bats in the lineup as much as possible sounds great to me.
I would much rather save the money from a Schwarber and/or Martinez and reinvest it elsewhere on the team. I trust Bloom a lot to make these kinds of moves, and it's honestly hard to speculate much more than I already have about what makes sense since that depends as much on the contract as the players involved. I'm sure there will be some more Marwins but also some more Hernandezes, but so far Bloom has hit more than he's missed, and I trust him to continue that.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 26, 2021 15:43:11 GMT -5
I don’t think Dalbec’s trade value will ever be as high as it is right now. It can’t help that they didn’t believe in him enough to play him in the playoffs, though. Maybe him going 0-for the playoffs had something to do with them not believing in him.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 26, 2021 16:30:56 GMT -5
In regards to dalbec it just takes one team to think he can play an adequate 3rd base and keep his K rate down enough to be a viable option at 3rd. I'd be all for dealing him in the right trade for some pitching or an outfielder and signing someone who can handle first base for a year or so until Casas takes over. Only problem there is after looking at the first base class this offseason I don't see much there. Maybe Schwarber can play first for a year and then take over dh if JD decides to opt in. Rizzo probably cost a little too much for what I'd like to see at first. Same with Brandon belt. That leaves guys like shaw and moreland who if they replace dalbec with either of them we'll all probably be up in arms.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Oct 26, 2021 16:56:42 GMT -5
I like the idea of buying prospects and Hosmer certainly fits but with four years left and how bad he is, it's tough to see them coming to an agreement there. Maybe if the Padres eat some money? Will Myers is a better candidate with only two years left and actually playable.
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Post by baseball3 on Oct 26, 2021 17:23:31 GMT -5
I like the idea of buying prospects and Hosmer certainly fits but with four years left and how bad he is, it's tough to see them coming to an agreement there. Maybe if the Padres eat some money? Will Myers is a better candidate with only two years left and actually playable. You're not getting much with Myers is the thing. The Padres might be able to trade him and eat a little bit of money for a useful piece (if they want to get rid of him). The point of trading for Hosmer on top of the prospects is because the salary is so bad. The Padres need something more useful with that salary because of their payroll restrictions; ie Sale. That and they have Tatis in his prime and are clearly going for a championship in their run here.
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Post by bosox904 on Oct 26, 2021 17:32:42 GMT -5
DRS, from baseball reference, says Xander is one of the worst defenders in all of baseball. 2018-2021 he is tied for the 3rd worse cumulative DRS in baseball with Charlie Blackmon at -26. The only two players worse are Devers at -33 and Castellanos at -39. UZR/150 does like him better, but he's still essentially average over that time. I'm not going through every player, yet that is just wrong. Example Hunter Dozier is -49 DRS since 2018. Bogaerts rank as worst defender per year is 60th, 32, 34 and 35 for 2021 to 2018. He's never been close to top ten worst in a single year. That's before you account for games also, like Duran -5 also last year, yet in way fewer games or Travis Shaw at -3 in a very limited sample size. I did forget to change it so it wasn't qualified players only, so that's my fault.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 26, 2021 17:36:58 GMT -5
The Red Sox are not going to trade for Hosmer!!! And for Chris Sale no less. For what prospects in what world does this even become a thought? Do they have Wander Franco, Jared Kelenic and the 2nd coming of Pedro sitting in AAA to include in this deal?
This the craziest not going to happen idea I can even fathom.
Sorry, I know you are new here but this has zero footing.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 26, 2021 18:10:53 GMT -5
In regards to dalbec it just takes one team to think he can play an adequate 3rd base and keep his K rate down enough to be a viable option at 3rd. I'd be all for dealing him in the right trade for some pitching or an outfielder and signing someone who can handle first base for a year or so until Casas takes over. Only problem there is after looking at the first base class this offseason I don't see much there. Maybe Schwarber can play first for a year and then take over dh if JD decides to opt in. Rizzo probably cost a little too much for what I'd like to see at first. Same with Brandon belt. That leaves guys like shaw and moreland who if they replace dalbec with either of them we'll all probably be up in arms. At this point I think the Dalbec trade idea needs to get a little more concrete. How much in the way of pitching or outfield help do you expect to get? How much would make it worth it to unload a pre-arb guy who had an .866 OPS/126 wRC+ over the last four months of the season, and has a 115 wRC+ overall in the first 532 PAs of his career?
And why, in particular, does it make sense to unload one of the team's cheapest players who also has considerable upside?
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 26, 2021 18:49:05 GMT -5
In regards to dalbec it just takes one team to think he can play an adequate 3rd base and keep his K rate down enough to be a viable option at 3rd. I'd be all for dealing him in the right trade for some pitching or an outfielder and signing someone who can handle first base for a year or so until Casas takes over. Only problem there is after looking at the first base class this offseason I don't see much there. Maybe Schwarber can play first for a year and then take over dh if JD decides to opt in. Rizzo probably cost a little too much for what I'd like to see at first. Same with Brandon belt. That leaves guys like shaw and moreland who if they replace dalbec with either of them we'll all probably be up in arms. At this point I think the Dalbec trade idea needs to get a little more concrete. How much in the way of pitching or outfield help do you expect to get? How much would make it worth it to unload a pre-arb guy who had an .866 OPS/126 wRC+ over the last four months of the season, and has a 115 wRC+ overall in the first 532 PAs of his career?
And why, in particular, does it make sense to unload one of the team's cheapest players who also has considerable upside?
Fair points, I guess my post was my round about way of saying sure trade dalbec if the deal makes sense but don't just dump him for some lateral move. I don't have any specific targets in mind but who couldn't use more pitching and I do think outfield is a bit of a weakness in terms of the farm system so a young outfielder would be a good thing to get. Once again noone specific comes to mind.
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Post by baseball3 on Oct 26, 2021 19:47:22 GMT -5
The Red Sox are not going to trade for Hosmer!!! And for Chris Sale no less. For what prospects in what world does this even become a thought? Do they have Wander Franco, Jared Kelenic and the 2nd coming of Pedro sitting in AAA to include in this deal? This the craziest not going to happen idea I can even fathom. Sorry, I know you are new here but this has zero footing. The Red Sox traded for Chris Sale for prospects and they weren't Wander Franco. It was just a idea and you're losing your mind over it because you don't like the idea.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 26, 2021 20:05:23 GMT -5
The Red Sox are not going to trade for Hosmer!!! And for Chris Sale no less. For what prospects in what world does this even become a thought? Do they have Wander Franco, Jared Kelenic and the 2nd coming of Pedro sitting in AAA to include in this deal? This the craziest not going to happen idea I can even fathom. Sorry, I know you are new here but this has zero footing. The Red Sox traded for Chris Sale for prospects and they weren't Wander Franco. It was just a idea and you're losing your mind over it because you don't like the idea. Yoan moncada was pretty dang close to Franco when traded in terms of ranking. He was the number 1 prospect on a number of sites at the time of the trade.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 26, 2021 20:07:34 GMT -5
The Red Sox traded for Chris Sale for prospects and they weren't Wander Franco. It was just a idea and you're losing your mind over it because you don't like the idea. Yoan moncada was pretty dang close to Franco when traded in terms of ranking. He was the number 1 prospect on a number of sites at the time of the trade. and Michael Kopech was pretty highly regarded as well
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 26, 2021 20:36:24 GMT -5
In regards to dalbec it just takes one team to think he can play an adequate 3rd base and keep his K rate down enough to be a viable option at 3rd. I'd be all for dealing him in the right trade for some pitching or an outfielder and signing someone who can handle first base for a year or so until Casas takes over. Only problem there is after looking at the first base class this offseason I don't see much there. Maybe Schwarber can play first for a year and then take over dh if JD decides to opt in. Rizzo probably cost a little too much for what I'd like to see at first. Same with Brandon belt. That leaves guys like shaw and moreland who if they replace dalbec with either of them we'll all probably be up in arms. At this point I think the Dalbec trade idea needs to get a little more concrete. How much in the way of pitching or outfield help do you expect to get? How much would make it worth it to unload a pre-arb guy who had an .866 OPS/126 wRC+ over the last four months of the season, and has a 115 wRC+ overall in the first 532 PAs of his career?
And why, in particular, does it make sense to unload one of the team's cheapest players who also has considerable upside?
I only move Dalbec if I'm blown away. I rather doubt there will be a big enough offer for Chaim to consider it, given Bobby's years of control, low salary, and non-zero chance that his upside might approach Pete Alonzo (I really like that comp).
But hey, if some other team offers something approaching the value of Alonso in return, even though the odds that Bobby becomes that are 10:1, you have to listen. I don't think anyone will offer that but there is a point at which you have to listen.
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Post by soxinsf on Oct 26, 2021 21:01:25 GMT -5
There is no clear correct path about what to do with Bobby. For many people, he is our number three 1B going forward after Casas and Schwarber.
Take the scenario of Schwarber on 1B next year and Casas in two years, Bobby sounds like he would be playing second fiddle forever. That makes little sense.
But, if JD opts out or Schwarber or equivalent is not signed, then Bobby makes good sense. He provides, assuming he hits, insurance against a Casas disappointment and a cost effective regular thereby giving the Sox monetary flexibility.
There are good reasons to keep Bobby but they are dependent on what happens with other players and with the Sox budget going forward.
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Post by baseball3 on Oct 26, 2021 21:23:02 GMT -5
The Red Sox traded for Chris Sale for prospects and they weren't Wander Franco. It was just a idea and you're losing your mind over it because you don't like the idea. Yoan moncada was pretty dang close to Franco when traded in terms of ranking. He was the number 1 prospect on a number of sites at the time of the trade. Yeah true. Not sure if Moncada had a future value of 80 grade at the time or if that was a thing back then. Not all number one prospects are the same. Gore was once the best pitching prospect in baseball, too. Didn't mean to get too personal there, but there's reasons why I illustrated the trade- -The Padres will be once again desperate to unload Hosmer again this off-season. -Sale has a opt out after 2022. -Sale's 10/5 no trade rights kick in after 2022 if he opts in. -Every team probably expects Sale to bounce back after a full healthy off-season. So if you want to trade Sale ahead of time and while he has value, now is the time. Tampa Bay did it with Price and Snell. Bloom came from that organization.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 26, 2021 21:45:05 GMT -5
Yoan moncada was pretty dang close to Franco when traded in terms of ranking. He was the number 1 prospect on a number of sites at the time of the trade. Yeah true. Not sure if Moncada had a future value of 80 grade at the time or if that was a thing back then. Not all number one prospects are the same. Gore was once the best pitching prospect in baseball, too. Didn't mean to get too personal there, but there's reasons why I illustrated the trade- -The Padres will be once again desperate to unload Hosmer again this off-season. -Sale has a opt out after 2022. -Sale's 10/5 no trade rights kick in after 2022 if he opts in. -Every team probably expects Sale to bounce back after a full healthy off-season. So if you want to trade Sale ahead of time and while he has value, now is the time. Tampa Bay did it with Price and Snell. Bloom came from that organization. They're not trading Sale. It's a non-starter. I'm pretty sure the Sox are of the opinion that he still has gas left in the tank and that the further he is away from TJ surgery the better he'll be. They're counting on him to be toward the top of the rotation in 2022. They're not trading him. I dont think they could even if they wanted to without his permission as he is now a 10-5 guy I believe and cannot be traded without his consent. And they're certainly not going to clog up a roster spot and spend a ton of money to do so. They dont need a LH 1b like Hosmer on their roster and short of a Wander Franco talent coming back they're not remotely interested in that kind of deal. Gore is an excellent prospect but he struggled in 2021. The Sox expect to contend in 2022. Sale will be a part of that.
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Post by baseball3 on Oct 27, 2021 2:53:42 GMT -5
Yeah true. Not sure if Moncada had a future value of 80 grade at the time or if that was a thing back then. Not all number one prospects are the same. Gore was once the best pitching prospect in baseball, too. Didn't mean to get too personal there, but there's reasons why I illustrated the trade- -The Padres will be once again desperate to unload Hosmer again this off-season. -Sale has a opt out after 2022. -Sale's 10/5 no trade rights kick in after 2022 if he opts in. -Every team probably expects Sale to bounce back after a full healthy off-season. So if you want to trade Sale ahead of time and while he has value, now is the time. Tampa Bay did it with Price and Snell. Bloom came from that organization. They're not trading Sale. It's a non-starter. I'm pretty sure the Sox are of the opinion that he still has gas left in the tank and that the further he is away from TJ surgery the better he'll be. They're counting on him to be toward the top of the rotation in 2022. They're not trading him. I dont think they could even if they wanted to without his permission as he is now a 10-5 guy I believe and cannot be traded without his consent. And they're certainly not going to clog up a roster spot and spend a ton of money to do so. They dont need a LH 1b like Hosmer on their roster and short of a Wander Franco talent coming back they're not remotely interested in that kind of deal. Gore is an excellent prospect but he struggled in 2021. The Sox expect to contend in 2022. Sale will be a part of that. Ohh you could be right about his 10/5 rights kicking in right now. His 2020 season was lost but I think it still counts as service time. I didn't take account for that. So yeah his 10/5 rights would kick in this off-season. So the scenario of trading Sale this off-season is probably not going to happen. I wouldn't have said never with Bloom if the option was more available, though. My apologies on the mishap and miscalculation y'all.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 27, 2021 6:02:05 GMT -5
The Red Sox are not going to trade for Hosmer!!! And for Chris Sale no less. For what prospects in what world does this even become a thought? Do they have Wander Franco, Jared Kelenic and the 2nd coming of Pedro sitting in AAA to include in this deal? This the craziest not going to happen idea I can even fathom. Sorry, I know you are new here but this has zero footing. The Red Sox traded for Chris Sale for prospects and they weren't Wander Franco. It was just a idea and you're losing your mind over it because you don't like the idea. Nobody’s losing their mind. But crazy ideas that ignore facts are going to be called out.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 27, 2021 6:48:09 GMT -5
Yeah true. Not sure if Moncada had a future value of 80 grade at the time or if that was a thing back then. Not all number one prospects are the same. Gore was once the best pitching prospect in baseball, too. Didn't mean to get too personal there, but there's reasons why I illustrated the trade- -The Padres will be once again desperate to unload Hosmer again this off-season. -Sale has a opt out after 2022. -Sale's 10/5 no trade rights kick in after 2022 if he opts in. -Every team probably expects Sale to bounce back after a full healthy off-season. So if you want to trade Sale ahead of time and while he has value, now is the time. Tampa Bay did it with Price and Snell. Bloom came from that organization. They're not trading Sale. It's a non-starter. I'm pretty sure the Sox are of the opinion that he still has gas left in the tank and that the further he is away from TJ surgery the better he'll be. They're counting on him to be toward the top of the rotation in 2022. They're not trading him. I dont think they could even if they wanted to without his permission as he is now a 10-5 guy I believe and cannot be traded without his consent. And they're certainly not going to clog up a roster spot and spend a ton of money to do so. They dont need a LH 1b like Hosmer on their roster and short of a Wander Franco talent coming back they're not remotely interested in that kind of deal. Gore is an excellent prospect but he struggled in 2021. The Sox expect to contend in 2022. Sale will be a part of that. It doesn't make sense to trade Sale when his value is low. Now like I've mentioned before if you want to trade Eovaldi then depending on the return thats okay since you're selling extremely high. They have no choice but to keep Sale and if he's healthy the upside is better than anything you can get back. The main priorities this offseason should be extending Xander and Devers. Anything else is a plus. Those two should be the cornerstones of this team going forward. If the Sox fail with both of them then it sets off alarm bells on how this organization is going to be in the future with regards to keeping talent.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 27, 2021 6:56:59 GMT -5
The Red Sox are not going to trade for Hosmer!!! And for Chris Sale no less. For what prospects in what world does this even become a thought? Do they have Wander Franco, Jared Kelenic and the 2nd coming of Pedro sitting in AAA to include in this deal? This the craziest not going to happen idea I can even fathom. Sorry, I know you are new here but this has zero footing. The Red Sox traded for Chris Sale for prospects and they weren't Wander Franco. It was just a idea and you're losing your mind over it because you don't like the idea. I'm not really losing my mind, I lost that years ago. I understand out of the box thinking when the time is right but the time isn't right. The Sox should be building on this team right now with guys that can help them be even better next season. I am pretty sure Chaim and the Sox would agree. It is just not the time to be trading the best pitcher on the staff for a bad contract and prospects, which is a questionable move regardless of the timing for a team like Boston. Maybe that is what the Rays would do when on the verge of a rebuild but why would the Sox be thinking that way after getting within 2 games of the WS? Just another thought on Chris Sale that I could be wrong on. He strikes me as the type of guy who has so much pride that opting out is not an option for him. He just collected over 55 million from the Sox to not pitch over the last 2 years. I think he is more of the attitude that I owe these guys the best I have for the remainder of my contract to be able to make up for not pitching for 2 seasons. It just seems to me that he is built that way. I think he is going to be one of the top pitchers in the AL for a few years and the Sox will ride that to some postseason success. And my apologies baseball3, I don't want to make you feel unwelcome to voice your thoughts here and be an active participant. This is a great site with many guys with a wealth of knowledge, excluding me, but you will be called out.
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