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Red Sox Trade Hunter Renfroe to the Brewers
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 27, 2021 13:22:14 GMT -5
Renfroe and Beni could have played together. And I was not against trading Beni in principle. I was against getting little in return. With Hernandez in CF, Verdugo in LF, Beni and Renfroe would have had to platoon at $9.4 million combined…. I think Bloom had it right trading Beni and waiting to pick up Schwarber at the deadline. If Winckowski contributes anything than the trade is a total win IMO. You could have had Benintendi help you until the deadline, then traded him and still got Schwarber.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 27, 2021 13:24:16 GMT -5
With Hernandez in CF, Verdugo in LF, Beni and Renfroe would have had to platoon at $9.4 million combined…. I think Bloom had it right trading Beni and waiting to pick up Schwarber at the deadline. If Winckowski contributes anything than the trade is a total win IMO. You could have had Benintendi help you until the deadline, then traded him and still got Schwarber. Keep in mind that Benintendi's floor was his 2020 season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 27, 2021 13:35:40 GMT -5
You could have had Benintendi help you until the deadline, then traded him and still got Schwarber. Keep in mind that Benintendi's floor was his 2020 season. For a 14 game sample size.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 27, 2021 13:51:44 GMT -5
With Hernandez in CF, Verdugo in LF, Beni and Renfroe would have had to platoon at $9.4 million combined…. I think Bloom had it right trading Beni and waiting to pick up Schwarber at the deadline. If Winckowski contributes anything than the trade is a total win IMO. You could have had Benintendi help you until the deadline, then traded him and still got Schwarber. They clearly wanted to stay under the CBT, in which case if they didn't give up Benintendi they would have had to give up someone else (Ottavino?). You can criticize the aim of staying under the CBT, but so long as that was their plan Renfroe was going to be the replacement for Benintendi, not an addition to him.
And also, whatever. Benintendi's wRC+ against righties was 103 and Renfroe's was 102. The team would've gained nothing by keeping Benintendi in 2021 (other than not giving Franchy PAs, but then blame them for playing Franchy, not for trading Benintendi).
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Post by jimoh on Dec 27, 2021 17:20:54 GMT -5
I would really love a full-on discussion of whether we should have traded both Beni and Renfroe. Surely we have just scratched the surface of exciting, cogent and original arguments that could be brought to bear on these little-discussed topics. No one should hold back any thought that have ever had about either of these trades. If they have been mentioned before, they may have been forgotten, so it's best to repeat them again, especially if not everyone was convinced by them before. None of us should ever have to go to bed knowing that someone on the internet is wrong.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 27, 2021 17:27:03 GMT -5
I would really love a full-on discussion of whether we should have traded both Beni and Renfroe. Surely we have just scratched the surface of exciting, cogent and original arguments that could be brought to bear on these little-discussed topics. No one should hold back any thought that have ever had about either of these trades. If they have been mentioned before, they may have been forgotten, so it's best to repeat them again, especially if not everyone was convinced by them before. None of us should ever have to go to bed knowing that someone on the internet is wrong. A good way to avoid discussion of the Renfroe trade would be to not log onto the discussion thread for the Renfroe trade. But maybe you feel that no one should ever have to go to bed knowing that someone on the internet has made a redundant argument.
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Post by jmei on Dec 27, 2021 17:55:50 GMT -5
I would really love a full-on discussion of whether we should have traded both Beni and Renfroe. Surely we have just scratched the surface of exciting, cogent and original arguments that could be brought to bear on these little-discussed topics. No one should hold back any thought that have ever had about either of these trades. If they have been mentioned before, they may have been forgotten, so it's best to repeat them again, especially if not everyone was convinced by them before. None of us should ever have to go to bed knowing that someone on the internet is wrong. A good way to avoid discussion of the Renfroe trade would be to not log onto the discussion thread for the Renfroe trade. But maybe you feel that no one should ever have to go to bed knowing that someone on the internet has made a redundant argument. Some of us don’t have that choice. Think of the poor moderators...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 28, 2021 10:10:57 GMT -5
A good way to avoid discussion of the Renfroe trade would be to not log onto the discussion thread for the Renfroe trade. But maybe you feel that no one should ever have to go to bed knowing that someone on the internet has made a redundant argument. Threeifbaerga said it best: "I keep opening this thread thinking it might be something I want to read about. Totally on me, I get it." True, but honestly, at this point, what is there actually left to be said about the actual Renfroe for Bradley/Hamilton/Binelas deal anymore? If this thread is being updated, it's to talk about the degree to what is considered ceiling vs floor, etc. At this point, looking at this thread, why actually would this thread be updated? Honestly, other than the CBA conversation, which is at a dead standstill and probably won't move until after the super bowl, and the HOF voting in late January, which will probably elect nobody....what else baseball related is there to talk about? About the only thing to talk about at this point are things that happened in the past that are baseball related because the present of baseball is non-existent and the future of baseball is murky. And I'm such a baseball addict, I'll go for anything that resembles any baseball talk at all, even if the vagaries of floor versus ceiling ceased being interesting to me a long time ago. Because otherwise it's tumbleweeds on the site as far as something current goes until something in baseball actually happens. I really hate this offseason. We get two frenzies and nothing in between, the frenzy from Dec 1st and the weekend that preceded it, and the craziness that will ensue if/when they get their heads out of their butts and get a new CBA hammered out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 28, 2021 10:21:51 GMT -5
Moved the stuff about prospect evaluation/valuation to its own thread.
Let's cut the meta "this thread is a trainwreck" stuff that makes the thread even more of a trainwreck.
If you want to discuss the Brewers trade, do it here. If you are about to post something that is not about the Brewers trade, then do not do so here.
Thanks.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 28, 2021 13:31:39 GMT -5
I would really love a full-on discussion of whether we should have traded both Beni and Renfroe. Surely we have just scratched the surface of exciting, cogent and original arguments that could be brought to bear on these little-discussed topics. No one should hold back any thought that have ever had about either of these trades. If they have been mentioned before, they may have been forgotten, so it's best to repeat them again, especially if not everyone was convinced by them before. None of us should ever have to go to bed knowing that someone on the internet is wrong. Wrong? Even if you prove your point of view is correct, the person with the other point of view will NEVER capitulate whether it is baseball, religion, or politics. ….and sometimes it is less frustrating to not argue…. UMM, pretty sure that post was meant as a joke....
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 28, 2021 13:57:25 GMT -5
You could have had Benintendi help you until the deadline, then traded him and still got Schwarber. Trading Beni at the deadline would have put the Red Sox over the CBT limit which was one of the main reasons he was traded. Eh, when everything was said and done, he would've put them over by less than $2M, taking Cordero's salary into account. If they don't sign Danny Santana that gets them pretty close, and maybe they ask the Nationals to pay a little of Schwarber's salary or something to make up the difference. But I don't think it's correct to say Benintendi was traded because of the CBT. He had just a $5M AAV. That's even less than what Renfroe will make this year. Same way that Renfroe wasn't traded because of the CBT - he was traded because they thought they could use the money and roster space better/liked the return.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 28, 2021 14:45:59 GMT -5
Benintendi had 2 years of control left and was projected for a 100 wRC+ as a poor to average defensive LF.
That is not a trade I'll ever regret, even if none of the prospects work out.
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Post by nomar on Jan 26, 2022 13:41:17 GMT -5
Oh good, this thread is back.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 26, 2022 14:26:38 GMT -5
Oh good, this thread is back.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 14, 2022 14:30:57 GMT -5
I know it's considered uncouth to post in this thread, but here's a small morsel from today's Kevin Goldstein chat:
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