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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 21, 2022 12:27:40 GMT -5
Seen around 8 weeks, what do they do? Doesn't help keep depth when he needs to make the 53 then go on IR to come back, unless they do it very well like once again with guys like Hoyer. Maybe they can cut some of those special teams guys then resign them. Who do you keep Nixon or Humphries?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 21, 2022 12:42:59 GMT -5
Speaking of Hoyer, I'm wondering if he ends up on the practice squad -- available if needed for a game or two -- where he can still do all the "sounding board" things he does well, while freeing up a top 53 spot for an intriguing young prospect?
He already got his guaranteed money, what's it matter to him?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 21, 2022 14:22:22 GMT -5
Seen around 8 weeks, what do they do? Doesn't help keep depth when he needs to make the 53 then go on IR to come back, unless they do it very well like once again with guys like Hoyer. Maybe they can cut some of those special teams guys then resign them. Who do you keep Nixon or Humphries? With Thornton out 8-10 weeks, I'd say both. Heck Humphries looks like he can play gunner on special teams, seen Nixon on special teams. Those guys and that type should make up our special team units. If I had to pick, it's crazy hard yet Nixon because Bill said he's the hardest worker on team.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 21, 2022 16:20:35 GMT -5
Dalton Keene waived.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 21, 2022 16:44:22 GMT -5
Speaking of Hoyer, I'm wondering if he ends up on the practice squad -- available if needed for a game or two -- where he can still do all the "sounding board" things he does well, while freeing up a top 53 spot for an intriguing young prospect? He already got his guaranteed money, what's it matter to him? It matters more to the Patriots and their salary cap.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 21, 2022 17:00:50 GMT -5
FWIW, Bedard predicts Mitchell, Cardona and Ferentz as the 3 most likely guys to get cut and then signed to PS.
He's been actually doing his roster projections based on 56 players, not 53, for this reason.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 21, 2022 17:06:48 GMT -5
Small (70k) cap savings on Keene.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 21, 2022 20:19:58 GMT -5
Humphries might stick as 3rd tight end. A little buzz about his recent TE-ness
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 22, 2022 9:26:30 GMT -5
Speaking of Hoyer, I'm wondering if he ends up on the practice squad -- available if needed for a game or two -- where he can still do all the "sounding board" things he does well, while freeing up a top 53 spot for an intriguing young prospect? He already got his guaranteed money, what's it matter to him? It matters more to the Patriots and their salary cap. As I understand it, he's guaranteed 3M (a good chunk of which would be salary for this year either way) over the next two years. The net loss in cap space would, presumably, be < 2M -- is that a fair price to keep a tough cut?
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 22, 2022 11:29:36 GMT -5
It matters more to the Patriots and their salary cap. As I understand it, he's guaranteed 3M (a good chunk of which would be salary for this year either way) over the next two years. The net loss in cap space would, presumably, be < 2M -- is that a fair price to keep a tough cut? Is Hoyer worth almost $5m in cap space in the role you’re designating for him? Seems like a gross waste of resources.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 22, 2022 13:23:08 GMT -5
I've seen Cody Davis, Joe Cardona, Terrence Mitchell and James Ferentz all come up as candidates for "Cut but don't clear out your locker" and they all have small dead money amounts and cap savings. Hoyer has a big dead money hit and, if I'm reading OTC correctly, would actually result in a loss of cap space (again, IF I'm reading OTC right).
I've also seen Folk list again as a candidate but he has a big dead money charge so I'm not sure if that one makes sense.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 22, 2022 14:26:54 GMT -5
Seen reports Patriots are talking to teams about Wynn. Might explain training camp so far, it was an audition to see what we had for overall depth.
I'd eat the $1.3 million on Hoyers deal if he'd agree to going to practice squad for certain players. He'd be the most expensive practice squad player in the league as he'd be getting over $3 million that's guaranteed on his deal.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 22, 2022 15:32:11 GMT -5
Seen reports Patriots are talking to teams about Wynn. Might explain training camp so far, it was an audition to see what we had for overall depth. I'd eat the $1.3 million on Hoyers deal if he'd agree to going to practice squad for certain players. He'd be the most expensive practice squad player in the league as he'd be getting over $3 million that's guaranteed on his deal. Imagine if they had done the obvious thing from the start and traded Wynn and kept Mason and played Onwenu at RT?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 22, 2022 16:26:20 GMT -5
Seen reports Patriots are talking to teams about Wynn. Might explain training camp so far, it was an audition to see what we had for overall depth. I'd eat the $1.3 million on Hoyers deal if he'd agree to going to practice squad for certain players. He'd be the most expensive practice squad player in the league as he'd be getting over $3 million that's guaranteed on his deal. Imagine if they had done the obvious thing from the start and traded Wynn and kept Mason and played Onwenu at RT? I agree because at this point it seems to have almost been a plan hatched first during mandatory workouts. Which takes away the well Wynn can play more positions and Onwenu gives you OT protection. Glass half-full it wasn't the plan, young guys stepping up is the reason. It's caused growing pains during camp, yet the long-term benefits could be big. I don't know the OL has been an adventure all offseason and I'm likely grasping at straws here. I just keep thinking in Bill I trust, in Bill I trust lol.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 22, 2022 22:45:04 GMT -5
As I understand it, he's guaranteed 3M (a good chunk of which would be salary for this year either way) over the next two years. The net loss in cap space would, presumably, be < 2M -- is that a fair price to keep a tough cut? Is Hoyer worth almost $5m in cap space in the role you’re designating for him? Seems like a gross waste of resources. 5M? Not close. That number didn't come from my post. Again, his guarantee is 3M for two years. So this year's salary is guaranteed and, thus, already spent. So we're talking roughly 2M, over two years (maybe). I'm unsure how the acceleration would work. I should probably run this by Miguel first. But if it is 2M, or less, I'd be in favor of putting him on the practice squad and keeping one of the bubble guys.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 23, 2022 6:22:45 GMT -5
He'll have 3M in dead money. Add in his PS salary + elevation charge. Then, I assume, you're signing him to another contract after he's maximized his elevations so the total is likely close to 5M. Granted, you can spread that dead money over across 2 years (bc we're now in August) but still.
Again, this mechanism WILL be used. There are just guys who don't result in as big a cap hit over the next 2 years to do it.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 23, 2022 9:40:09 GMT -5
I hope they can fit Nixon and Bledsoe. I’m happy Wynn is in his last year. I don’t want them to trade Bourne . Find a taker for the TE Smith. He did nothing last year.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 23, 2022 10:35:46 GMT -5
Trading Smith costs you significant cap space. By all accounts he's having a MUCH better offseason (missed a chunk last year). I think he'll be much better.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 23, 2022 11:07:39 GMT -5
Ronnie Perkins missing practice for 2nd straight day. If he's hurt, that could save his place in the org (via IR).
Despite his draft status, he was seemingly on the outside looking in for most doing 53 (or 56) man projections.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 23, 2022 14:29:45 GMT -5
I'M rooting for Perkins. The more younger the better if they can handle the workload. I read when they drafted Perkins that he is also undergoing a position change. They want him to be a Jamie Collins i think .
One more thing what I like about BB he can find offensive lineman in 1st rd, 3rd, 6th or undrafted.
I really dont know how the offense will work out but Patricia is a good coach, if you think about it to be a good defensive coordinator you need to understand how to stop top offenses. Maybe easier said than done.
The one thing i didnt like last year was too run heavy. Josh McDaniels maybe there was a reason but it was getting aggravating.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 23, 2022 14:39:46 GMT -5
Seen reports Patriots are talking to teams about Wynn. Might explain training camp so far, it was an audition to see what we had for overall depth. I'd eat the $1.3 million on Hoyers deal if he'd agree to going to practice squad for certain players. He'd be the most expensive practice squad player in the league as he'd be getting over $3 million that's guaranteed on his deal. Imagine if they had done the obvious thing from the start and traded Wynn and kept Mason and played Onwenu at RT? I dont understand either. I dont know why things look so obvious but BB does the most BB thing. Like taking a guard in the 1st round when he was possibly there in the 2nd. I think he takes the fun out of the draft I always fall for it every year. The one year we drafted Chandler Jones in the 1st round that draft was pretty cool. BB drafted a RB give me a break .
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Post by texs31 on Aug 23, 2022 15:38:40 GMT -5
Perry saying Perkins is, indeed, headed to IR. Maybe he can follow Perkins "roster" path.
On the bubble Season Ending IR Back in the mix (and now a possible candidate for significant time).
But, as others point out, it's not ideal that their 3rd pick has yet to play an NFL Game in his 1st 2 seasons.
EDIT - Steuber from Active NFI to Reserve NFI. They are now down to the required 80-Man limit for this week.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 24, 2022 10:58:29 GMT -5
Disappointing that's for sure, yet Yodney and Jennings give me hope. Both missed basically two years and per reports are both doing darn well this year. So using IR to stash guys because Bill always builds deep teams isn't the worst thing.
At the same time his depth has a bunch of young guys that have shown flashes like Nixon, Bledsoe, McGrone, Harris, etc fighting for their lifes and I'm fearful were about to lose a bunch that will get claimed on cut down day.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 26, 2022 6:08:32 GMT -5
Good thing they didn’t draft the Punt God like a lot of us wanted them to.
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Post by cdj on Aug 26, 2022 8:11:56 GMT -5
Lazar seems to believe Wade and Mitchell are competing for 1 spot. If that’s the case I want to see Wade get it
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