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Post by redsox43 on Jul 2, 2022 2:44:22 GMT -5
Ohh wow, that's nice. I thought he was a unrestricted FA by 2023. It’s weird, I thought the same thing as you did. I think there was some bad information out there. Yeah I swear I saw UFA in 2023 on basketball reference. In my defense today I -Sold my house (cashed a 149 thousand dollar check) -Picked out a new puppy -Worked 13 hours -Screamed at my radio over Alex Cora and Hansel Robles The last thing I remembered is that it was NBA Christmas in July 1rst with the first day of free agency. So had to figure out details through you guys. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2022 5:30:35 GMT -5
Ohh wow, that's nice. I thought he was a unrestricted FA by 2023. It’s weird, I thought the same thing as you did. I think there was some bad information out there. He signed an extension that hasn’t kicked in so they have his contracts broken up weird on those sites. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2022 5:31:53 GMT -5
I'm just surprised, not that I don't like the moves. It doesn't fit the D first no matter what theme or a coach that likes small rotations. Gallinari, Brogdon and if we get Bryant are huge offensive upgrades for the bench. Yet they aren't close to really good defensive players either. White fit right in because he's a very good defensive player, not one year negative defensive plus minus in his entire career. Those three are the opposite. Still can use an athletic defensive big and wing. Resigning Kornet is crazy, why? I'm just left with so many questions. Our coach likes to play as big as anyone in the NBA and we now have 3 PGs signed for next 3 years to big money, starting level money. Brogdon is a long switchable guard and while Gallo isn’t as mobile any more, he’s also long and switchable within the team concept. |
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Post by jmei on Jul 2, 2022 7:07:07 GMT -5
I'm just surprised, not that I don't like the moves. It doesn't fit the D first no matter what theme or a coach that likes small rotations. Gallinari, Brogdon and if we get Bryant are huge offensive upgrades for the bench. Yet they aren't close to really good defensive players either. White fit right in because he's a very good defensive player, not one year negative defensive plus minus in his entire career. Those three are the opposite. Still can use an athletic defensive big and wing. Resigning Kornet is crazy, why? I'm just left with so many questions. Our coach likes to play as big as anyone in the NBA and we now have 3 PGs signed for next 3 years to big money, starting level money. Brogdon is a long switchable guard and while Gallo isn’t as mobile any more, he’s also long and switchable within the team concept. I also wouldn’t assume that Udoka only knows how to play one way (defense first with two bigs). Last year, he looked at the roster and decided to maximize their strengths by playing one way. He’ll do the same this year, even if that means some stylistic or rotation changes. I hope by now we’re past underestimating Udoka. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2022 7:42:16 GMT -5
I'm just surprised, not that I don't like the moves. It doesn't fit the D first no matter what theme or a coach that likes small rotations. Gallinari, Brogdon and if we get Bryant are huge offensive upgrades for the bench. Yet they aren't close to really good defensive players either. White fit right in because he's a very good defensive player, not one year negative defensive plus minus in his entire career. Those three are the opposite. Still can use an athletic defensive big and wing. Resigning Kornet is crazy, why? I'm just left with so many questions. Our coach likes to play as big as anyone in the NBA and we now have 3 PGs signed for next 3 years to big money, starting level money. Brogdon is a long switchable guard and while Gallo isn’t as mobile any more, he’s also long and switchable within the team concept. If you believe in advanced defensive stats, they are both bad defenders. The only defender worse than Gallinari on Hawks was Trae Young. Same with Brogdon, second worst defender on team. Both are career negative defensive plus minus defenders and rank poorly on their teams. Perfect fits on offense, horrible fits on D. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2022 7:54:38 GMT -5
They’d be horrible fits if they were undersized. They aren’t. You can work with length.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2022 7:58:24 GMT -5
Brogdon is a long switchable guard and while Gallo isn’t as mobile any more, he’s also long and switchable within the team concept. I also wouldn’t assume that Udoka only knows how to play one way (defense first with two bigs). Last year, he looked at the roster and decided to maximize their strengths by playing one way. He’ll do the same this year, even if that means some stylistic or rotation changes. I hope by now we’re past underestimating Udoka. Just going by reports, which there have been many. Celtics don't plan to move away from two big lineups and these guys are seen as bench pieces. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2022 8:11:05 GMT -5
They’d be horrible fits if they were undersized. They aren’t. You can work with length. I really don't understand this, so we can work with Kanter and Parker because they have good size? Your either good on D or your not. Only highlighted in a switch everything D. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 2, 2022 8:24:33 GMT -5
They’d be horrible fits if they were undersized. They aren’t. You can work with length. I really don't understand this, so we can work with Kanter and Parker because they have good size? Your either good on D or your not. Only highlighted in a switch everything D. Brogdon can move, you’re also vastly underrating his defense in my opinion, but time will tell. The Pacers were better with him defensively then they were without him. He was the ACC defensive player of the year in college. He’s not a sieve on defense. He’s a quality perimeter defender who at 6’5 with long arms can cover both guards and wings. Gallo isn’t a good defender, but he’s still a good fit for this team. They need his shooting and in limited minutes, I’m not so worried about his defense. I can see the argument that Gallo isn’t a good defensive fit for what this team does, but not with Brogdon. Brogdon and Gallo are both knockdown 3 point shooters on catch and shoot attempts. They don’t turn the ball over and are both good passers. Also both great free throw shooters with an ability to get to the line. |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 2, 2022 8:28:26 GMT -5
Brogdon’s defensive numbers dropped in recent years. But his ability to guard up is special for a point guard. He has real reps of holding his own against playoff Lebron.
At this point, his best defensive trait continues to be his ability to switch up onto bigger wings. If Brogdon was a wing and not tasked with defending littles, his defensive chops would be unquestioned. He has gotten a bit sluggish getting through ball screens, which should be negated by Boston’s switch heavy scheme and the presence of Derrick White and Marcus Smart.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 2, 2022 8:44:54 GMT -5
As for Gallo, I really think they are going to turn him into a drop defender. He’s going to be a better offensive version of Bobby Portis, who the Bucks are now paying over 10 million a year.
The Warriors asked Bjelica to be their 9th man. To come in, get the ball moving, hit some open shots, and not get cooked on defense. Asking crafty veterans like Bjelica or Porter Jr. to defend well for only 10-15 minutes a night bumps them up a level. That’s why you saw Bjelica make Tatum work, because he was fresh and able to play hard for 10 minutes.
With Gallo, I think he gives Horford and TimeLord a break in the regular season. And then plays 15-20 minutes a night in the playoffs. He’s big, in good shape, plays angles well, and most importantly, will be asked to play a less taxing role than he has ever had to play.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2022 9:56:35 GMT -5
I really don't understand this, so we can work with Kanter and Parker because they have good size? Your either good on D or your not. Only highlighted in a switch everything D. Brogdon can move, you’re also vastly underrating his defense in my opinion, but time will tell. The Pacers were better with him defensively then they were without him. He was the ACC defensive player of the year in college. He’s not a sieve on defense. He’s a quality perimeter defender who at 6’5 with long arms can cover both guards and wings. Gallo isn’t a good defender, but he’s still a good fit for this team. They need his shooting and in limited minutes, I’m not so worried about his defense. I can see the argument that Gallo isn’t a good defensive fit for what this team does, but not with Brogdon. Brogdon and Gallo are both knockdown 3 point shooters on catch and shoot attempts. They don’t turn the ball over and are both good passers. Also both great free throw shooters with an ability to get to the line. He was the second worst defender on the Pacers for 3 straight years. First two only Dough McDermott was worse and he's a horrible defender. Last year it was on 32 year old Holiday, rookie Chris Duarte was better, Haliburton after trade was waaay better. All 3 years TJ McConnell a 6'1" 190 pound PG was better each year by a huge margin. They were not a better defensive team with him, compared to without him. So I just watched some Pacers tape from the last two years, he looks exactly how the numbers make him look. Limited tape, yet his pick and roll D, along with switching was horrible. He's under the basket on one play against a big, doesn't even try to do anything. The only silver lining for me is his effort level looks horrible, maybe Ime can help change that. Looked at his only positive year, last year with Bucks who had #1 D in NBA. Again 2nd worst defender to only Tony Snell on the team. There's a concrete pattern with him and his D. Four straight years of 2nd worst defender even with many different mixes of players. They are perfect fits on offense, I 100% agree www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/acc-dpoy.htmlNot a very impressive list considering the talent that goes through that conference. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 2, 2022 11:42:51 GMT -5
I’ve looked into what pacers fans think about his defense. He tends to have problems with athletic guards but is actually pretty good when he gets switched onto wings. I wouldn’t look at him as a total liability on that end but he isn’t really a great athlete and that limits how his defense plays at this level edit: looks like philarhody got there before me lol
They’ll absolutely be able to play him late in games imo, you just need a good guard defender with him to take the other teams more athletic guard. Fortunately they have Smart and White for that.
Gallinari obviously isn’t a good defender, he’ll probably get cooked by athletic wings but can probably hold up ok against 4’s and small ball 5’s
Offensively the team took some major steps, and I think that our biggest issue was a consistent scoring threat outside of the big 2. We now got a couple people who can fill it up a bit off the bench
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Post by philarhody on Jul 2, 2022 13:37:34 GMT -5
Brogdon can move, you’re also vastly underrating his defense in my opinion, but time will tell. The Pacers were better with him defensively then they were without him. He was the ACC defensive player of the year in college. He’s not a sieve on defense. He’s a quality perimeter defender who at 6’5 with long arms can cover both guards and wings. Gallo isn’t a good defender, but he’s still a good fit for this team. They need his shooting and in limited minutes, I’m not so worried about his defense. I can see the argument that Gallo isn’t a good defensive fit for what this team does, but not with Brogdon. Brogdon and Gallo are both knockdown 3 point shooters on catch and shoot attempts. They don’t turn the ball over and are both good passers. Also both great free throw shooters with an ability to get to the line. He was the second worst defender on the Pacers for 3 straight years. First two only Dough McDermott was worse and he's a horrible defender. Last year it was on 32 year old Holiday, rookie Chris Duarte was better, Haliburton after trade was waaay better. All 3 years TJ McConnell a 6'1" 190 pound PG was better each year by a huge margin. They were not a better defensive team with him, compared to without him. So I just watched some Pacers tape from the last two years, he looks exactly how the numbers make him look. Limited tape, yet his pick and roll D, along with switching was horrible. He's under the basket on one play against a big, doesn't even try to do anything. The only silver lining for me is his effort level looks horrible, maybe Ime can help change that. Looked at his only positive year, last year with Bucks who had #1 D in NBA. Again 2nd worst defender to only Tony Snell on the team. There's a concrete pattern with him and his D. Four straight years of 2nd worst defender even with many different mixes of players. They are perfect fits on offense, I 100% agree www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/acc-dpoy.htmlNot a very impressive list considering the talent that goes through that conference. Yes, he has definitely dropped off as a defender since taking on a heavier usage in Indiana. I do think overemphasizing regular season advance defensive metrics is a fools errand. Like, giving up an all time trade package for Rudy Gobert, fools errand. With that said, I would suspect that Boston plays Brogdon as a wing defender off the bench. It’s probable that Brogdon was conserving his body on defense in the regular season for a team that wasn’t going anywhere. Expect him to get matched up against 3 and d wings and to hold up reasonably well in playoff switches against the Jimmy Butler/Demar Derozan/James Hardens of the East. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 2, 2022 15:16:22 GMT -5
He was the second worst defender on the Pacers for 3 straight years. First two only Dough McDermott was worse and he's a horrible defender. Last year it was on 32 year old Holiday, rookie Chris Duarte was better, Haliburton after trade was waaay better. All 3 years TJ McConnell a 6'1" 190 pound PG was better each year by a huge margin. They were not a better defensive team with him, compared to without him. So I just watched some Pacers tape from the last two years, he looks exactly how the numbers make him look. Limited tape, yet his pick and roll D, along with switching was horrible. He's under the basket on one play against a big, doesn't even try to do anything. The only silver lining for me is his effort level looks horrible, maybe Ime can help change that. Looked at his only positive year, last year with Bucks who had #1 D in NBA. Again 2nd worst defender to only Tony Snell on the team. There's a concrete pattern with him and his D. Four straight years of 2nd worst defender even with many different mixes of players. They are perfect fits on offense, I 100% agree www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/acc-dpoy.htmlNot a very impressive list considering the talent that goes through that conference. Yes, he has definitely dropped off as a defender since taking on a heavier usage in Indiana. I do think overemphasizing regular season advance defensive metrics is a fools errand. Like, giving up an all time trade package for Rudy Gobert, fools errand. With that said, I would suspect that Boston plays Brogdon as a wing defender off the bench. It’s probable that Brogdon was conserving his body on defense in the regular season for a team that wasn’t going anywhere. Expect him to get matched up against 3 and d wings and to hold up reasonably well in playoff switches against the Jimmy Butler/Demar Derozan/James Hardens of the East. I certainly hope you're right given what I'm seeing and what I've watched in the last 24 hours. Switching who he guards can't hurt. I did check his playoff ratings and nothing changes. Only series outlier is 2019 playoffs against us where he played one game and 16 minutes with a sparkling 89 defensive rating. Yet that ended next series against Raptors. |
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 2, 2022 16:32:25 GMT -5
I think it's okay to sell out for more offense. This team actually needed that. I've been begging for it for years.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 2, 2022 16:43:18 GMT -5
Yesterday I was very excited about our acquisitions....Brogdon was reported as a two way player, excellent passer..a star...Celtics declared early favorites for a 2023 championship, Brad a trade meister. After reading this page, my dauber is down...
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Post by ianrs on Jul 3, 2022 0:38:20 GMT -5
Took a few day break and could not be happier
Lets be real about Brogdon - dude was constantly injured playing tons of minutes (which he won't have to with us) and played on a nothing Pacers team as essentially their primary which he had no business being, and was still pretty amazing. He also had to guard up some insanely good players with almost no help with the sieve of Sabonis next to him most of the time.
Dude's going to surprise a lot of people if he stays healthy, he's the perfect plus-plus offense combo guard we needed to settle down and add shooting to the offense. Plus he's 6'5.
Gallinari is also a great get on the MLE to inject offense; don't be surprised if he gets some minutes at the 5.
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Post by cdj on Jul 3, 2022 0:45:50 GMT -5
Yesterday I was very excited about our acquisitions....Brogdon was reported as a two way player, excellent passer..a star...Celtics declared early favorites for a 2023 championship, Brad a trade meister. After reading this page, my dauber is down... If ppl were reporting him as a star that’s a little silly. You don’t get stars for a protected first and fodder. He’s a good basketball player though. They got a lot better yesterday |
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 3, 2022 7:02:58 GMT -5
Don't know if it's already been said, but the Celtics have until July 18th to use their trade exception (TPE). So clock's ticking on another move. I expect the Celtics to use it by the end of next week.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 3, 2022 7:35:27 GMT -5
Don't know if it's already been said, but the Celtics have until July 18th to use their trade exception (TPE). So clock's ticking on another move. I expect the Celtics to use it by the end of next week. I'd actually be surprised if they just used it outright. Willingness to go into the Tax is one thing but using the biggest TPE could put then some 37M into the tax. Brogdon is likely the TPE level addition (just didn't use the TPE to get him) Now if Brad has something else up his sleeve (moving a player that might now be somewhat redundant), then I could see it. Otherwise, we're probably looking at vet minimum deals. |
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Post by mobaz on Jul 3, 2022 9:06:15 GMT -5
Don't know if it's already been said, but the Celtics have until July 18th to use their trade exception (TPE). So clock's ticking on another move. I expect the Celtics to use it by the end of next week. I'd actually be surprised if they just used it outright. Willingness to go into the Tax is one thing but using the biggest TPE could put then some 37M into the tax. Brogdon is likely the TPE level addition (just didn't use the TPE to get him) Now if Brad has something else up his sleeve (moving a player that might now be somewhat redundant), then I could see it. Otherwise, we're probably looking at vet minimum deals. It's possible one of our TPEs could be used as part of someone else's trade (we take someone and get an asset too), so that's the one thing I'd keep an eye on. Otherwise agree, Brogan was our big salary addition. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jul 3, 2022 9:07:29 GMT -5
I’ve looked into what pacers fans think about his defense. He tends to have problems with athletic guards but is actually pretty good when he gets switched onto wings. I wouldn’t look at him as a total liability on that end but he isn’t really a great athlete and that limits how his defense plays at this level edit: looks like philarhody got there before me lol They’ll absolutely be able to play him late in games imo, you just need a good guard defender with him to take the other teams more athletic guard. Fortunately they have Smart and White for that. Gallinari obviously isn’t a good defender, he’ll probably get cooked by athletic wings but can probably hold up ok against 4’s and small ball 5’s Offensively the team took some major steps, and I think that our biggest issue was a consistent scoring threat outside of the big 2. We now got a couple people who can fill it up a bit off the bench Is he better than Kanter? as Kanter only really was in the rotation for a short period of time due mainly to his D as his offense was fine. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jul 3, 2022 9:09:42 GMT -5
Don't know if it's already been said, but the Celtics have until July 18th to use their trade exception (TPE). So clock's ticking on another move. I expect the Celtics to use it by the end of next week. I'd actually be surprised if they just used it outright. Willingness to go into the Tax is one thing but using the biggest TPE could put then some 37M into the tax. Brogdon is likely the TPE level addition (just didn't use the TPE to get him) Now if Brad has something else up his sleeve (moving a player that might now be somewhat redundant), then I could see it. Otherwise, we're probably looking at vet minimum deals. I don't see Pritchard getting many minutes this season unless their is injuries, he's fourth (?) on the depth chart. What could he and the TPE bring back to the team?? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 3, 2022 9:22:40 GMT -5
Nets recind Kessler Edwards QO, what are they doing? Trade for O'Neil, resign Mills and Claxton, yet let Brown walk and now Edwards.
You likely can't get him, no sane agent would push a young player on the Celtics right now if thry have other options. Yet if you can do it, he's a perfect fit and was rather impressive as a rookie. Can shoot and play D.
After Gobert trade Nets increased asking price for Durant to two all-star players and a bunch of picks. I'm laughing so hard at this, yet given what Minnesota did to get Gobert it doesn't seem as crazy as it really is.
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