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Post by philarhody on Jul 25, 2022 12:31:02 GMT -5
Well now you basically have to trade Brown. Looks like Stevens got played. First big mistake as GM, unless he knows Brown won’t resign and is hoping he requests a trade.
Really rough look for Boston. Brown is admired for his activism and professionalism. Whether it’s true or not, players around the league have been acting like Boston is a singular force in treating their players like chattel.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 25, 2022 12:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 25, 2022 12:33:21 GMT -5
Well now you basically have to trade Brown. Looks like Stevens got played. First big mistake as GM, unless he knows Brown won’t resign and is hoping he requests a trade. Don't assume that, as far as we know this got leaked by the Nets and there's a chance this is as real as the talks about Brown wanting to test the FA market. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 25, 2022 12:40:02 GMT -5
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Source on Jaylen Brown's reaction to trade rumors: "He loves it in Boston. He was two games away from a championship. He's happy and looking forward to coming back. ... Like Kawhi, AD and others on that level, he's going to be included in every report because of who he is."
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Post by texs31 on Jul 25, 2022 12:51:29 GMT -5
Never ceases to amaze me how much we think we know about a very complex situation (in this case, trade chatter) based off of a few tweets and/or comments in an article.
Almost every piece of this can be interpreted in multiple ways but, somehow, we've figured it all out.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 25, 2022 13:12:42 GMT -5
Smart
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Fast PP, Gallo and Horford off the bench. Goddamn.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 25, 2022 14:46:58 GMT -5
Well now you basically have to trade Brown. Looks like Stevens got played. First big mistake as GM, unless he knows Brown won’t resign and is hoping he requests a trade. Really rough look for Boston. Brown is admired for his activism and professionalism. Whether it’s true or not, players around the league have been acting like Boston is a singular force in treating their players like chattel. I think JB has been a part of every star trade rumor since... he entered the league. Being the main piece in a rumor for KD ain't so bad. Also don't think it will ever happen, which he probably knows. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 25, 2022 15:58:16 GMT -5
Nets are petty we didn’t meet their terms and leaked it to try and put pressure on us
Poverty franchise that won’t win anything ever
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 25, 2022 16:26:57 GMT -5
I'm not trading Brown for Durant straight up, even if for salary purposes it's Brown and White. Tatum is entering his age 24 season and that trade makes it likely he leaves right in his prime..
Look at LeBron one of the greatest athletes ever, 82 games age 33, age 34-37 hasn't played in more than 67 games. Still very good, yet his injuries have tanked seasons. KD has a worst record up to age 33 than LeBron, having just played 55 games. Is Tom Brady making people forget father time?
KD is the guy you gamble on adding as the third piece, the one that basically guarantees you a championship as much as you can in today's NBA.
If you feel Brown isn't the right #2, which I think is crazy. Tatum was the bigger issue in finals, yet if you feel that way you need a much younger player. We also need to stop trading first round picks. We should be planning a ten year run like Warriors, not a LeBron type all in then rebuild like the Heat, Cavs and soon Lakers.
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Post by cdj on Jul 25, 2022 18:28:16 GMT -5
Only way Jaylen moves is if they think he wants to be the top dog elsewhere and they don’t think they can bring him back in a couple years imo
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Post by texs31 on Jul 26, 2022 6:55:18 GMT -5
Was gonna type up some thoughts on the KD/JB stuff but then saw this (which captures a lot of what I was thinking): heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/kevin-durant-brooklyn-nets-trade/I especially like the explanation of what "offered" could mean as that is where I was going with my "we think we know everything bc of a tweet/article" comment earlier. A LOT of different scenarios can be described as "an offer" and still be close enough to the truth to "report". I DO think KD for JB gives you a better chance of winning a championship in the next 2 years (and I also think you have offset the potential loss of Smart OR White with the addition of Brogdon). So I see an argument for doing it (beyond what you think JB might do in FA down the road) given the GM's (likely) directive of giving their team the best chance to win a title. But, man, you BETTER win 1 of the next 2 or this could go wrong quickly (with little chance to fix it anytime soon). FWIW (not much, really) I'd rather take some of their redundancy (Smart/White; GWilliams to a lesser extent) to trade for someone who lines up better with the extended timeline of, at least, Tatum (if not Tatum AND Brown). Ideally a 4/5 who can expand the depth at that position while also taking over for Al in the long-term. Not sure who that is or if he's available but . . . Before Atlanta traded for Murray, I wanted John Collins. Figured something involving Smart or White, GWill and picks would be part of the discussion. But, not only did they make a trade that filled the need that Smart/White would've filled for them, but they also did so by trading for a player I really liked. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2022 8:27:03 GMT -5
Trading for Durant shortens the window quite a bit.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 26, 2022 12:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 26, 2022 18:09:48 GMT -5
Btw, Windhurst said (hearsay, I haven't yet searched out where he said it) these "talks" are ancient news. Celtics/Nets have had no recent KD talks.
The implication being the Nets are trying to spike interest from other potential trade partners.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 26, 2022 18:17:26 GMT -5
Btw, Windhurst said (hearsay, I haven't yet searched out where he said it) these "talks" are ancient news. Celtics/Nets have had no recent KD talks. The implication being the Nets are trying to spike interest from other potential trade partners. Or pressure Boston into upper their offer by saying they've agreed to include Brow (when, as the source in Bulpetts piece suggests, that might not be exactly true). |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jul 26, 2022 21:56:07 GMT -5
Trading for Durant shortens the window quite a bit. With his history, age, injury and games played the past two years along with how he looked in last years playoffs I'm not sure he increases our actual chances even if it was a straight up trade for Brown. To much risk. Even if Brown leaves in two years, pure speculation at this time, it's worth rolling with those that got us to the dance. |
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 26, 2022 22:09:52 GMT -5
Trading for Durant shortens the window quite a bit. With his history, age, injury and games played the past two years along with how he looked in last years playoffs I'm not sure he increases our actual chances even if it was a straight up trade for Brown. To much risk. Even if Brown leaves in two years, pure speculation at this time, it's worth rolling with those that got us to the dance. I’m firmly in the do not trade for KD camp for all the reasons mentioned above, but a straight up Jaylen-for-KD swap absolutely improves their chances. All of their offensive issues would go away, and they wouldn’t lose much defensively. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 26, 2022 22:39:10 GMT -5
Without a true PG, KD shot 38.6% with 5.3 TOs per game against us this year in playoffs. That's all our offense issues go away?
He's a great player, yet he's not a LeBron James type either.
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Post by cdj on Jul 26, 2022 23:28:09 GMT -5
Can’t double KD with Tatum on the floor, I think there would be significantly less defensive heat on him if he were to come over here. I do think he would be an immediate upgrade over Jaylen provided he’s healthy. I don’t think he will stay healthy
And for that reason “that’s gonna be a no from me dawg”- Randy Jackson- CDJ
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2022 7:12:11 GMT -5
They doubled both Tatum and Brown, they just picked their spots in the finals. KD at his best was with Curry in the Warriors system or with Harden running the show getting KD good looks.
You'd certainly think you can't double Durant with Irving right? He's crazy, yet still a crazy skilled offensive player.
Fixing our offense was about adding a third piece like Brogdon.
Brown just keeps getting better, added the top of the key jumper last year. KD is getting old, there's no guarantee he's even better in year one. It's like with baseball, you're paying for what he will be, not what he was.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2022 7:13:24 GMT -5
Why aren't we seeing one huge cap spike like the last time with KD joined Warriors and guys like Evan Turner got crazy contracts? |
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Post by cdj on Jul 27, 2022 7:37:50 GMT -5
They doubled both Tatum and Brown, they just picked their spots in the finals. KD at his best was with Curry in the Warriors system or with Harden running the show getting KD good looks. You'd certainly think you can't double Durant with Irving right? He's crazy, yet still a crazy skilled offensive player. Fixing our offense was about adding a third piece like Brogdon. Brown just keeps getting better, added the top of the key jumper last year. KD is getting old, there's no guarantee he's even better in year one. It's like with baseball, you're paying for what he will be, not what he was. One of them would end up with an inferior wing defender every possession, I think Durant would cook with this lineup. But again he’s played like 90 out of 220 games or something like that the last 3 years, can’t trust him to stay healthy and for that reason you absolutely can’t trade a young stud entering his prime like Jaylen for him |
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Post by jmei on Jul 27, 2022 8:40:29 GMT -5
Zach Lowe on his podcast stated that the reported offer was from a week to ten days ago. So not super recent but not weeks old, either. As reported earlier, also may not be a firm offer but a framework of a deal.
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Post by jmei on Jul 27, 2022 8:54:15 GMT -5
Kevin Durant averaged 30/7/6 on 38/52/91 shooting, averaging 37.2 (!) minutes per game over 55 games last year. He was voted second team all-pro last year and as recently as a year ago carried a bad team to the cusp of the finals while averaging 34/9/4 on 51/40/87 shooting and 40 minutes per game in the playoffs. He’s one of the top 15 or so players of all time (per recent ESPN and Athletic rankings, among others) who projects to be one of the top 10 players in the league next year (and pushing top 5). There is injury risk, but while on the court, he is a clear tier or two above Brown, and the Celtics can give him far more rest than Brooklyn did. In a sport where you need stars to win, as long as he’s healthy in the playoffs, he increases their title odds in the near future by a significant amount.
None of the above should be in dispute. Just a question of how much future value you’re willing to give up for present value and how much you weigh the importance of keeping hometown guys. I’d rather take the higher near-term title odds myself.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 27, 2022 10:01:18 GMT -5
Trading for Durant shortens the window quite a bit. Yeah...and with a shortage of draft picks. Tatum might become disenchanted... |
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